Once again JG exposed his ignorance when he wrote:
What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

If it really had been a race, then the monohull would have protected her
position by coming up on the approaching cat, forcing the cat to go under
her. And furthermore, by performing such a maunuver, the monohull would
have shown who was boss when it comes to pointing ability.

Lonny


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"JG" wrote in message
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What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

"rgnmstr" wrote...
The only thing that video shows is the inability of the cat to point.

Some cats can point. It looked to me like the Gunboat was not trimmed in
hard either.

The RP80 driver had to bear off about 20 degrees to avoid being t-boned
by the show off cat driver. I suspect that if a destination were
upwind the RP80 might just beat the Gunboat to the pier.


Seems quite possible under many conditions. But the cat still has some
advantages: less heeling, shallow draft, etc etc

Bart Senior wrote:
The RP can be indeed faster. I read in Latitude 38
the RP-80 beat the GB-62 in another race. I don't
recall the circumstances or point of sail. I'd guess the
RP would be faster directly downwind and as you
said, closehauled, while the GB-62 would perform
better on a reach.


Probably so, the ad for the Gunboat touts a screecher over an asymmetric
spinnaker... don't see why you couldn't fly an A-sail anyway.

The Gunboat does offer advantages in comfort over
the sleds that make it a clear winner for passagemaking.


One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factyory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.

There are few US built catamarans. The Manta 42
which has a low bridge deck. I wonder if this is the
reason why I see them for sale often. And the
Mainecat 40 which has only canvas for protection
in the deckhouse--not exactly comforting protection.

I think the gunboat 62 is a fine vessel, but at $2.2 million
I would rather built a custom cat out of aluminum.

For an interesting link on a one-off Aluminum cruising
cat with a high bridgedeck, check out this link.

http://malvm1.mala.bc.ca/~bigras/o7/o7.htx

This fellow built an impressive boat, and then sold it just
after he finished the bulk of the work, due to a divorce.

It cost him $70k to build hull and deck. Spars are
homemade. I would have bought a better boom.

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.

"DSK" wrote

One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing... not everyone in a race does.

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Once again JG exposed his ignorance when he wrote:
What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

If it really had been a race, then the monohull would have protected her
position by coming up on the approaching cat, forcing the cat to go under
her. And furthermore, by performing such a maunuver, the monohull would
have shown who was boss when it comes to pointing ability.

Lonny


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"JG" wrote in message
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What's wrong with it? It was a race wasn't it?

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"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
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Notice how the rude dude in the cat goes to windward of the boat he is
passing. Rude, rude, rude.

L

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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For those who haven't seen this.

Check out this Gunboat 62 blasting by a RP 80

Click on Safari Video

http://www.gunboat.info/home.html

Bart Senior wrote:
I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factyory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.


That would be cool.

There are few US built catamarans.

That's because they take so much labor... maybe not twice as much as a
monohull


... the
Mainecat 40 which has only canvas for protection
in the deckhouse--not exactly comforting protection.

Right, but then it's supposed to be a hotrod for daysailing & weekending.


I think the gunboat 62 is a fine vessel, but at $2.2 million
I would rather built a custom cat out of aluminum.


Shucks, for that kind of money, you could pick a LOT of better options
IMHO.... including spending far less on a boat or two and banking the
rest...

For an interesting link on a one-off Aluminum cruising
cat with a high bridgedeck, check out this link.

http://malvm1.mala.bc.ca/~bigras/o7/o7.htx


That is a pretty cool boat.

This fellow built an impressive boat, and then sold it just
after he finished the bulk of the work, due to a divorce.


Bummer. At least he didn't have to split the boat with her.

It cost him $70k to build hull and deck. Spars are
homemade. I would have bought a better boom.

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


He's lucky. A lot of home boat builders don't even recover material cost
when selling a partially completed boat. Aluminum is outstanding though.
I like the dinghy too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:51:59 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing... not everyone in a race
does.

You don't own/steer/or in most cases crew on something like a Pug 80
without a clue!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Some cats can point. It looked to me like the Gunboat was not trimmed in
hard either.


OzOne wrote:
Sure, but any cat that could outsail a Pug80 to windward would be a
very rare beast indeed.

Cogito?

The cat was obviously sailing its fastest point of sail.
It would be interesting to see its polars.


That it would. Do you think one of these is likely to compete in the
Sydney Hobart any day soon?


One advatnage of a cat that appeals to me after our recent trip is that
they are usually easier to steer straight in a following sea. But the
jerky motion might be less comfortable than the mono's corkscrew roll.
Every boat has it's plusses & minusses.

OzOne wrote:
Only trouble with a cat is that they tend to dig in the leeward bow
when you're driving down a wave at an angle.
They then want to start heading up and you ned to catch this before it
starts or you'll end up reaching across the face which will make your
hair stand on end if it's a really big wave or has a curling crest.


On a Hobie, getting wet isn't a big deal. On a 62 footer, it would be a
very big deal!

I'd think the Gunboat 62 has enough reserve bouyancy in the bow to avoid
digging in too hard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:30:32 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....


And the greatest President in History.


Have you whacko liberals seen the news from Lebanon?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?


OzOne wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote

I'd like to find out for myself. I'm pursuing some
factory tranatlantic delivery work on one of these
just to find out if I like them on the ocean.

You'll need to do more than acouple of deliveries as a crew before
anyone will let you take their multi across the Atlantic.
The techniques are 'that' different!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The GB-62 doesn't have the flare out that typical
cruising cats have with huge amount of reserve
buoyancy. Being lighter, it is probably not a factor
compared with heavier cruising cats.

I find it strange so many of the more typical
cruising cats have minimal bridge deck
clearance. That Manta 42 is horrible in this
respect--only 24" of clearance. What are
they thinking?

These must boom constantly on the ocean.
The designers are brain-dead morons.

"DSK" wrote

I'd think the Gunboat 62 has enough reserve bouyancy in the bow to avoid
digging in too hard.