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Katy,
You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
Donal wrote:
....snip... Welcome back Frank. You've posted some good stuff in the past. What kind of boat are you thinking of getting? My kids are currently 15 and 18, and it is very difficult to get them to go sailing. Get your boat ASAP if you want to have them involved. Thanks, Donal, I understand your comments about older teens wanting to separate themselves from their parents. We started homeschooling a couple of years ago and have been doing a lot of RVing. We plan to spend a year or so cruising the Caribbean within the next couple of years. The kids like to sail, especially in warm water, e.g. the Caribbean, and our 24/7 intimacy of the last couple of years has been positive, better than the times we had when we had them in school and just had adventures in the summer. So I hope that continues. My personal favorite boat, and the one I want for my wife and me when the girls are on their own, is a Freedom 38 (mid-80s thru early 90s Gary Mull design). However, we've discussed this in recent years and have tried brief cruises on a couple of different sizes and styles of boats and have decided that for family cruising we want a bit more room than the F38 provides. In that context, being fond of the Freedom concept, I'd consider an older F-40 or preferably a 44. However, given that the mission parameter for this boat is simply to survive a year or two of Caribbean cruising, we might consider a cheap ex-charter boat. I'm a cheap old SOB and would be happy to save a few nickles, especially since I know that this will not be my "last boat." We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising cat to see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon. Frank |
"DSK" wrote I've sailed a Tartan 4100... they are pretty zippy. Definitely on par with one of the First series of similar size. Which would you say has the better build quality? SV |
There is none....I have relatively little of it and what there is gets taken
care of every 8 weeks or so...so what do you think when you look in the mirror and you can't see yourself for the shine from your pate? "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy, You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
"DSK" wrote
I've sailed a Tartan 4100... they are pretty zippy. Definitely on par with one of the First series of similar size. Scott Vernon wrote: Which would you say has the better build quality? Tartan, definitely. Some of the older, bigger (40+) Beneteau First series were pretty well built, but don't have systems up to modern standards. The newer Tartans are molded by TPI and are well up to snuff... there is a fair amount of stuff I don't like about them, but then I'm spoiled... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Do you like muffins?
"katysails" wrote in message ... There is none....I have relatively little of it and what there is gets taken care of every 8 weeks or so...so what do you think when you look in the mirror and you can't see yourself for the shine from your pate? "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy, You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
"Frank" wrote in message ups.com... We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising cat to see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon. A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half a boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing more if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us that his cat could point as high as a monohull!! My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. Regards Donal -- |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote I've sailed a Tartan 4100... they are pretty zippy. Definitely on par with one of the First series of similar size. Which would you say has the better build quality? I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality". However, I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race. Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote
"DSK" wrote I've sailed a Tartan 4100... they are pretty zippy. Definitely on par with one of the First series of similar size. Which would you say has the better build quality? I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality". However, I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race. I was asking Doug. SV |
"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality". However, I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race. You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans. But some of them (I'm thinking of the 41 & 43) were pretty fast too. The newer Tartans are all quite modern designs and perform well. They're similar to the C&C 110 & 121... same designer... went for a more traditional look about the deck and cabin trunk Scott Vernon wrote: I was asking Doug. Maybe Donal would believe Navvie's opinion? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
"Frank" wrote
We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising cat to see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon. Just bear in mind that the charter cats are different from what's available on the private market... although if you *really* like one, charter cats coming out of srvice are available too... Donal wrote: A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half a boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing more if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us that his cat could point as high as a monohull!! My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Why? Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. So let her drive! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
No...they're full of empty carbs....I don't eat baked goods...
"Muffin Man" wrote in message nk.net... Do you like muffins? "katysails" wrote in message ... There is none....I have relatively little of it and what there is gets taken care of every 8 weeks or so...so what do you think when you look in the mirror and you can't see yourself for the shine from your pate? "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy, You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
Crisco has no carbs.
Muffin Man "katysails" wrote in message ... No...they're full of empty carbs....I don't eat baked goods... "Muffin Man" wrote in message nk.net... Do you like muffins? "katysails" wrote in message ... There is none....I have relatively little of it and what there is gets taken care of every 8 weeks or so...so what do you think when you look in the mirror and you can't see yourself for the shine from your pate? "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy, You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
"DSK" wrote Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. So let her drive! Awk, she can't even back a car out of a driveway. SV |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. Donal wrote: My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Why? So let her drive! Let her???? I've begged her! .................... She really doesn't want to! Regards Donal -- |
But flour does....and Crisco is a trans fat....very unhealthy...you need to
mend your culinary ways or you'll be visiting the stent closet soon...romaine lettuce..that's where it's at... avocado's...asparagus.... "Muffin Man" wrote in message nk.net... Crisco has no carbs. Muffin Man "katysails" wrote in message ... No...they're full of empty carbs....I don't eat baked goods... "Muffin Man" wrote in message nk.net... Do you like muffins? "katysails" wrote in message ... There is none....I have relatively little of it and what there is gets taken care of every 8 weeks or so...so what do you think when you look in the mirror and you can't see yourself for the shine from your pate? "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy, You seem fixated on color. I wonder, when you look in the mirror, what you think about all that gray hair? CN "katysails" clucked Subtract 1 point...his boat is day glo orange.... |
When all 5 kids were at home, we had a 19 ft daysailor. 1 left for college
and we bought the 22"...then 2 more left and we bought the 27'...when they all left we bought the 32'....now my granddaughter's consider the boat their own private playhouse...the YC is talking about weekend sailing lessons this year, so we're hoping to get the older into a Butterfly and the younger into an Opti...they're both pretty good crew (they tend to fall in on purpose, though, when on the mooring...) "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. So let her drive! Awk, she can't even back a car out of a driveway. SV |
Want me to talk to her?
"Donal" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Donal wrote: My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Why? So let her drive! Let her???? I've begged her! .................... She really doesn't want to! Regards Donal -- |
Macks011. I daysail and cruise a Freedom 36 out of the NYC area. My
cruising range is from the Chesepeke to Nantuket. I have posted a few times on this board, sailed with Bobsprit on his boat and mine, and tangled with Jax on this board and others. My other boat is a 10' portabote. I think I may have been putzed by Neal and earned a few points in your rule discussions. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:43:14 -0500, "Bart Senior" wrote: Annual LURKER Check-In !!! For those of you lurking out there. This is the annual Lurker Check-in. Lurkers are those that read posts but do not post responses or start threads. You don't have to post anything intelligent, just your handle and location, include boat name, type and model, if you have one. This is your big chance to get easy points. If you don't check in, nothing bad will happen to you, you will just remain POINTLESS! 1 point award per fact you provide. Those of you that have posted and do not have any points at all, or you are not sure if you have any points, you can check in now for free alt.sailing.asa newgroups points. |
Allow me to assign points of the basis of your information . . .
"Marc" wrote in message ... Macks011. I daysail and cruise a Freedom 36 Freedom 36 = 10pts out of the NYC area. = minus 10pts cruising range is from the Chesepeke to Nantuket. I have posted a few times on this board, sailed with Bobsprit Sailed with Bobsprit or even knowing Bobsprit = minus 100pts on his boat and mine, = minus 50pts for time spent on Bobsprits garbage skow. tangled with Jax on this board and others. = plus 10pts My other boat is a 10' portabote. ---- Junk! Minus 20pts I think I may have been putzed by Neal and earned a few points in your rule discussions. Plus 10pts if you agreed with me, minus 10pts if you agreed with Jeff. CN |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. "Donal" wrote I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality". However, I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race. You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans. My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here. My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail. Regards Donal -- |
So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail, Beneteau instead? CN "Donal" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message . .. "Donal" wrote I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality". However, I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race. You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans. My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here. My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail. Regards Donal -- |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail, Beneteau instead? I believe that Donal prefers to live life on the edge..... considering the daily drudge of his work and the burdensome yoke of superior ethics and morals. CM CM |
Well, today we go out and put the Mac in the water by ourselves. We
intend to stay on the lake Sat night and Sun night, or we may come home Sun evening. We are provisioned for two nights. The boat is very large. It intimidates us. We were dighny (sp?) sailors before this. This thing is like sailing an RV. The 150% genoa is more sail than our main and jib together on the Apollo. Trailering is no problem. I've driven it through Denver rush hour twice now. I won't have to do that again, and I won't do that again. Nonetheless, I can trailor this boat now. I know that, in actuallity, it is safer than the Apollo. At least on the resevoir the most it will do is get knocked down, but it will come back up. Even when it gets knocked down, the cockpit is still above the water. Nonetheless, it has a 28 foot mast and the whole boat is simply huge in our eyes. One thing I can say about the mac: When you have the owners manual, the brochure is a joke. It's not quick to rig, it's not light to tow. Quite simply, it is a lot of boat. However, if you have at least a 300 cu in engine, and a the mast raising system, you're good to go. If you buy a Mac, get the mast raising system, by all means. By the way, someone once told me to never get the cockpit cushions Macgregor sells. We did, and they are great. It's hard to trust what people say, I swear to god. Anyway, If I return, I will report. Until then, this is Ed "Gilligan" Gordon signing off. P.S. Before you laugh, really think about what Gilligan had. Ed |
That isn't what he said, Neal
His Benny is safer than a Coranado with cheap Hong Kong Sails on a poorly repaired Boom. He never said his Benny was unsafe. You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other Liberials. Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
"Thom Stewart" mumbled in a fog: You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other Liberials. Ole Thom Them's fightin' words. Calling me a liberal is likely to cause you to go straight to Hell. There is no worse insult IMHO. (Not quite as much of an insult is asking me to look at pictures of your pilot house sloop - but close, very close!) CN CN |
i used to have a chevy van that had a 350 ci engine
except it was a 5 speed on the floor i also drove it thru denver, up and down the rockies i would do it again........in a heart beat! hope this helps gf. "EGordon873" wrote in message ... Quite simply, it is a lot of boat. However, if you have at least a 300 cu in engine, and a the mast raising system, you're good to go. "Gilligan" Gordon signing off. P.S. Before you laugh, really think about what Gilligan had. Ed am already laughing |
Donal wrote:
My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here. My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail. That may be the way they're marketed. Anyway, the newer Tartans are not Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were you looking at? BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of mine is considering buying one. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Donal wrote:
"Frank" wrote... We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising cat to see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon. A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half a boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing more if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us that his cat could point as high as a monohull!! My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. All good comments and I appreciate 'em. A cat is at the far end of possible consideration for us and, if we went that way or went for some generic used charter boat, it would just be for the couple of years while we're cruising with the girls. Then we'd unload it to buy our "real/retirement boat", a Freedom 38, which is the world's easiest single-hander. We both do enjoy actually sailing, so no crab crushers would make even our most inclusive list of possibilities. I did a lotta deliveries in the 70's and 80's of boats up to 50 feet, sometimes single-handed; so having my wife along always feels like I'm loafing. With the kids added to the mix, it almost feels like a competitive race crew! Well, almost. For most labor-intensive activities, my wife's on the helm and I'm doing the heavy lifting. Does your wife not like to be at the wheel? I always find it slightly painful to sit in an anchorage and watch a 6'2" 240-pound ex-linebacker with a delicate grip on the helm yelling at his 5'2" 100-pound wife on the foredeck wrestling with a CQR almost as big as she is. What's wrong with this picture? Frank |
"Frank" wrote in message oups.com... Donal wrote: "Frank" wrote... We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising cat to see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon. A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half a boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing more if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us that his cat could point as high as a monohull!! My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you should ignore catamarans. Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact that your kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only your wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up. All good comments and I appreciate 'em. A cat is at the far end of possible consideration for us and, if we went that way or went for some generic used charter boat, it would just be for the couple of years while we're cruising with the girls. Then we'd unload it to buy our "real/retirement boat", a Freedom 38, which is the world's easiest single-hander. We both do enjoy actually sailing, so no crab crushers would make even our most inclusive list of possibilities. I did a lotta deliveries in the 70's and 80's of boats up to 50 feet, sometimes single-handed; so having my wife along always feels like I'm loafing. With the kids added to the mix, it almost feels like a competitive race crew! Well, almost. For most labor-intensive activities, my wife's on the helm and I'm doing the heavy lifting. Does your wife not like to be at the wheel? She hates it! I always find it slightly painful to sit in an anchorage and watch a 6'2" 240-pound ex-linebacker with a delicate grip on the helm yelling at his 5'2" 100-pound wife on the foredeck wrestling with a CQR almost as big as she is. I'm pleased to report that I've never had to shout at my wife while we've been sailing. Sailing is *my* hobby. I'm very lucky that my wife comes sailing with me. I intend to keep it that way. Regards Donal -- |
Yeah right.
Joe |
Donal wrote: She hates it! ....snip... I'm pleased to report that I've never had to shout at my wife while we've been sailing. Sailing is *my* hobby. I'm very lucky that my wife comes sailing with me. I intend to keep it that way. Gotcha. There are times when my wife would rather have me at the wheel, giving her directions for the grunt part of whatever task we're doing. She learned to sail with her dad who was a bit of an overbearing screamer of a martinet, so she doesn't respond well to loud, critical "directions." Luckily, I'm a pretty laid-back kind guy so that's usually not a factor for us. As long as y'all have a system which works for you. I'm very happy that my wife enjoys sailing almost as much as I do and that the kids are still enthusiastic about doing intensive family activities with their decrepit old parents. I know that closeness tends to disappear in the teen years; however, our interactions in the homeschooling community seems to indicate that homeschoolers are less inclined to need as confrontational a level of disasffection with their parents as schooled kids seem to experience. We'll see. Frank |
"katysails" wrote in message ... Want me to talk to her? Definitely not!!!! I'd guess that less than 20% of the spouses in my sailing club are willing sailors/crew. I'm in fortunate 20%. I want to keep it that way. IMHO, the key is to make sailing a relaxing, stress free experience for people who are not keen sailors. That way they will go out again. Regards Donal -- |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah right. Fair comment! It has happened once or twice, but it is incredibly rare. Regards Donal -- |
My opinion is that people either like sailing or they do not. If they do
not, then trickery and cajolery are just props...and the boat becomes a floating condo...much better if the non-sailor just stays home and pursues something they like to do rather than inflict their angst on everyone else that likes to sail... "Donal" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message ... Want me to talk to her? Definitely not!!!! I'd guess that less than 20% of the spouses in my sailing club are willing sailors/crew. I'm in fortunate 20%. I want to keep it that way. IMHO, the key is to make sailing a relaxing, stress free experience for people who are not keen sailors. That way they will go out again. Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote I'd guess that less than 20% of the spouses in my sailing club are willing sailors/crew. I'm in fortunate 20%. I want to keep it that way. IMHO, the key is to make sailing a relaxing, stress free experience for people who are not keen sailors. That way they will go out again. I find, a can of ether and a pair of handcuffs works just as well. Scotty |
Ack! Guess I was more tired than I thought when I wrote that. Feel free
to ignore all spelling, grammar, and syntax errors. Some days I wonder about my sanity. Other days I'm sure I'm nucking futs. Frank |
"DSK" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here. My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail. That may be the way they're marketed. Anyway, the newer Tartans are not Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were you looking at? IIRC, I looked at a Tartan about 4 years ago. The model that I looked at had a clever galley design. There was a pull-up section in the galley which provided extra work surface. The quality seemed to be very good, but I formed the opinion that she would never exceed hull speed. BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of mine is considering buying one. I thought that I had already replied to this. However I can't see anything in my newsreader. I don't know anything about the "12". I tried the Beneteau web site, but I couldn't find it. I also tried to Google with "Beneteau First 12" and couldn't find it that way either. Beneteau seem to be completely clueless about web design. Regards Donal -- |
"katysails" wrote: When all 5 kids were at home, we had a 19 ft daysailor. 1 left for college and we bought the 22"...then 2 more left and we bought the 27'...when they all left we bought the 32'....now my granddaughter's consider the boat their own private playhouse...the YC is talking about weekend sailing lessons this year, so we're hoping to get the older into a Butterfly and the younger into an Opti...they're both pretty good crew (they tend to fall in on purpose, though, when on the mooring...) My suggestion would be to put your grand daughters in some kind of traffic school for the mentally handicap. Surely there is a school up there that can teach a child to look both ways before crossing the street. You might also want to get their hearing checked so they can hear if a big truck comes barreling down the street. Of course, unless you and their mother want to collect some kind of life insurance policy... Hope this helps. :-) LP |
OK...now that's too far....my granddaughter almost died in that
accident...when this goes beyond normal hazing and jeering and gets to be beyond personal attacks on me then I do get angry. What type of woman are you that you would say something like that? You do not know the circumstances. I hope to God you never have to go through anything like the 2 months we spent with Madi...I wouldn't wish that on anyone. You have now proved exactly what kind of smutty butch you are...plonk... "Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:ppuXd.5182$Ru.623@okepread06... "katysails" wrote: When all 5 kids were at home, we had a 19 ft daysailor. 1 left for college and we bought the 22"...then 2 more left and we bought the 27'...when they all left we bought the 32'....now my granddaughter's consider the boat their own private playhouse...the YC is talking about weekend sailing lessons this year, so we're hoping to get the older into a Butterfly and the younger into an Opti...they're both pretty good crew (they tend to fall in on purpose, though, when on the mooring...) My suggestion would be to put your grand daughters in some kind of traffic school for the mentally handicap. Surely there is a school up there that can teach a child to look both ways before crossing the street. You might also want to get their hearing checked so they can hear if a big truck comes barreling down the street. Of course, unless you and their mother want to collect some kind of life insurance policy... Hope this helps. :-) LP |
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