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Rules of the Road #21
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A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B |
"Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B A. is correct. |
D
Joe |
Joe wrote:
D I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. BTW we saw a seagoing notch barge out in the Gulf Stream this past Saturday evening... showed normal running lights. DSK |
DSK wrote: Joe wrote: D I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. BTW we saw a seagoing notch barge out in the Gulf Stream this past Saturday evening... showed normal running lights. DSK Thats because it is a rigid unit. Joe |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Thats because it is a rigid unit. Joe Oh oh! Now, you've done it. Gaynz is probably all excited . . . |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Thats because it is a rigid unit. Joe Oh oh! Now, you've done it. Gaynz is probably all excited . . . Not if he's 3 atmospheres underwater...... according to you! CM |
Well, Mooron is certainly excited.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:Ze8Td.14485$9a3.13468@edtnps91... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Thats because it is a rigid unit. Joe Oh oh! Now, you've done it. Gaynz is probably all excited . . . Not if he's 3 atmospheres underwater...... according to you! CM |
1 point for Joe
Joe wrote: D |
Doug,
What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? "DSK" wrote I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. |
Inland, my boy, inland . . .
Sorry Bart but you are wrong. The special flashing light is for pushing ahead only. Towing alongside only requires sidelights on the tow. A is the correct answer; not D CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... 1 point for Joe Joe wrote: D |
Bart, You need to review. For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special flashing light on the tow. For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus two yellow towing lights on the stern of the tow. I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? "DSK" wrote I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. |
D is correct.....
Joe |
Wrong! A is correct.
CN "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... D is correct..... Joe |
Sorry Cap, on this one, Joe is correct.
Capt. Neal® wrote: Wrong! A is correct. CN "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... D is correct..... Joe |
You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry Cap, on this one, Joe is correct. Capt. Neal® wrote: Wrong! A is correct. CN "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... D is correct..... Joe |
No cap, its you that needs the review.
We're talking about the vessel being towed, not the tow vessel. Refer to 24(f)(ii), IIRC. Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry Cap, on this one, Joe is correct. Capt. Neal® wrote: Wrong! A is correct. CN "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... D is correct..... Joe |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
Bart Senior wrote:
Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights. I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper on VHF... is that cheating? DSK |
I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition
a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead. A. is the correct answer. B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well. Get a clue. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
And what about rule 24 (f)(ii):
a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal. And what do you mean "by definition"? Capt. Neal® wrote: I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead. A. is the correct answer. B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well. Get a clue. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
This is a very good question.
Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine. The Rule has changed recently. D is correct. "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... And what about rule 24 (f)(ii): a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal. And what do you mean "by definition"? Capt. Neal® wrote: I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead. A. is the correct answer. B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well. Get a clue. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
The pushed ahead barge drops its stern light.
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Neal,
Take a look at this link to the most current rules: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm "a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit, shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];" Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light. The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL. "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Bart, You need to review. For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special flashing light on the tow. For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus two yellow towing lights on the stern of the tow. I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? "DSK" wrote I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. |
Bart Senior wrote:
Take a look at this link to the most current rules: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm "a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit, shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];" Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light. The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL. New edition of the rules... that's a dirty trick! Anyway, the lights are still effectively the same for a side tow & pusher, because if the pusher did have a stern light you couldn't see it anyway. Thanks for the link, I intend to do a little studying. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
This is an interesting question, and shows out how the
Rules do change. I need to either go through my Rule books and make updates, or else get a new ones. I believe the long tug/long tow option is GONE where four white verticle lights were used for this configuration. Tugs with tows would display either 2 or 3 masthead lights. 3 for long tow over 200 meters. Rule 23 (a) ii no longer applies for tows. **** Here is how I remember it for short tug. The idea is to think about what lights you take away as you make changes from tow-behind to hip-tow, to push-ahead-tow. **** For International and Inland the tow-behind lights are the same: Long Tow [behind] Three whites on the mast, diamond dayshape on tow and last barge. Yellow tow light over stern light, sidelights on Tow. Barges have sidelights and sternlights. Short Tow--[Drop a couple barges] Drop tug masthead lights--from three to 2. Also drop dayshapes. International: Bring Tow up to hip-tow. Drop yellow tow light. Bring Tow up to tow-ahead. Drop stern light on tow Inland Swap sternlight for two yellow tow lights aft. Add special flashing lights to bows of tow for both hip tow and push-ahead tow. For Western Rivers with low bridge clearance, you get to drop the tug's two white lights. In such cases, there are no white lights on a push ahead tow! ****** Optional--direct searchlight in direction of tow Partially submerged tows need a 360 white light at each end. Also black diamond dayshape and searchlight. Bart "DSK" wrote in Bart Senior wrote: Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights. No stern light on push-ahead barge. I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper on VHF... is that cheating? DSK |
Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago.
Bart Senior wrote: This is a very good question. Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine. The Rule has changed recently. D is correct. "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... And what about rule 24 (f)(ii): a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal. And what do you mean "by definition"? Capt. Neal® wrote: I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead. A. is the correct answer. B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well. Get a clue. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message thlink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
Bart Senior wrote:
Neal, Take a look at this link to the most current rules: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm "a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit, shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];" Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light. The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing lights on the bow of the tow. This can be a problem for many. Aside from the updated version of the "Rules" on my computer, I keep two hard copy (one of them a quick reference) of older versions (one May, 1977) plus two predating the 72 COLREGS. I frequently find that some will answer a Rules question, based on outdated "rules", and I oft times find myself looking back through all copies because something has perked an old forgotten brain cell, either in the question or someone's answer. otn |
Hardly lame at all. I took the test well over six years ago. PUTZ!
B. was correct when I took the test originally. CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago. Bart Senior wrote: This is a very good question. Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine. The Rule has changed recently. D is correct. "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... And what about rule 24 (f)(ii): a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal. And what do you mean "by definition"? Capt. Neal® wrote: I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead. A. is the correct answer. B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well. Get a clue. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: You need to review, too. A is the correct answer. The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a special flashing light. INLAND A special flashing light is used on a vessel A. being pushed ahead B. towed alongside C. towed astern D. both A & B CN Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine? otn |
Hip tow means the tug itself is further forward than the tow.
This configuration does not need a special flashing light on the tow. Towing alongside can mean a hip tow or an alongside tow where the tow is further forward than the tug. Question 21 is poorly worded and I maintain B is still the correct answer because, unless it clarifies 'along side' as not being a hip tow, then it means the tow is further ahead than the tug - in effect the tug is pushing ahead. Click the link for a picture. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...ule24fInld.gif I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... This is an interesting question, and shows out how the Rules do change. I need to either go through my Rule books and make updates, or else get a new ones. I believe the long tug/long tow option is GONE where four white verticle lights were used for this configuration. Tugs with tows would display either 2 or 3 masthead lights. 3 for long tow over 200 meters. Rule 23 (a) ii no longer applies for tows. **** Here is how I remember it for short tug. The idea is to think about what lights you take away as you make changes from tow-behind to hip-tow, to push-ahead-tow. **** For International and Inland the tow-behind lights are the same: Long Tow [behind] Three whites on the mast, diamond dayshape on tow and last barge. Yellow tow light over stern light, sidelights on Tow. Barges have sidelights and sternlights. Short Tow--[Drop a couple barges] Drop tug masthead lights--from three to 2. Also drop dayshapes. International: Bring Tow up to hip-tow. Drop yellow tow light. Bring Tow up to tow-ahead. Drop stern light on tow Inland Swap sternlight for two yellow tow lights aft. Add special flashing lights to bows of tow for both hip tow and push-ahead tow. For Western Rivers with low bridge clearance, you get to drop the tug's two white lights. In such cases, there are no white lights on a push ahead tow! ****** Optional--direct searchlight in direction of tow Partially submerged tows need a 360 white light at each end. Also black diamond dayshape and searchlight. Bart "DSK" wrote in Bart Senior wrote: Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights. No stern light on push-ahead barge. I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper on VHF... is that cheating? DSK |
The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the tug so it
is logical to not have a stern light. I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is being pushed ahead. This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means a hip tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the combination. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Neal, Take a look at this link to the most current rules: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm "a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit, shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];" Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light. The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL. "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Bart, You need to review. For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special flashing light on the tow. For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus two yellow towing lights on the stern of the tow. I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? "DSK" wrote I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Hip tow means the tug itself is further forward than the tow. wrong. This configuration does not need a special flashing light on the tow. wrong. Towing alongside can mean a hip tow or an alongside tow where the tow is further forward than the tug. Question 21 is poorly worded and I maintain B is still the correct answer because, unless it clarifies 'along side' as not being a hip tow, then it means the tow is further ahead than the tug - in effect the tug is pushing ahead. Click the link for a picture. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...ule24fInld.gif I hope this helps. CN When a tug takes a tow on the "hip", the tug is on the side of the tow, towards the stern of the tow, preferably with his stern clear of the tow. To put a tug fwd on the tow would greatly reduce the maneuverability of the tug when trying to handle the tow (when alone). Neal, you know less about tug and barges than I do, so give it a rest, you got this one wrong, along with four others. There was nothing wrong with the wording of the question, just your answer. To the best of my knowledge, a tug will say the barge is on the hip, no matter where he is located on the barge side, but in many cases this will refer to a tug which was towing astern, maneuvering alongside to tie up to the barge when entering a port. Being on the "hip" is not good at sea. otn |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the tug so it is logical to not have a stern light. I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is being pushed ahead. wrong. This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means a hip tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the combination. wrong, but all things considered, it's understandable that you wouldn't know better. otn |
I thought it was just 6 years ago.
So you're claiming that you were once, but no longer are, a qualified master? Well, it shows. Capt. Neal® wrote: Hardly lame at all. I took the test well over six years ago. PUTZ! B. was correct when I took the test originally. CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago. Bart Senior wrote: This is a very good question. Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine. The Rule has changed recently. D is correct. |
This is nonsense. You're proving you're not even qualified to read
the questions. "Hip tow" was not mentioned in the question, nor is it used in the rules. "Towing alongside" is pretty unambiguous. Capt. Neal® wrote: Hip tow means the tug itself is further forward than the tow. This configuration does not need a special flashing light on the tow. Towing alongside can mean a hip tow or an alongside tow where the tow is further forward than the tug. Question 21 is poorly worded and I maintain B is still the correct answer because, unless it clarifies 'along side' as not being a hip tow, then it means the tow is further ahead than the tug - in effect the tug is pushing ahead. Click the link for a picture. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...ule24fInld.gif I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... This is an interesting question, and shows out how the Rules do change. I need to either go through my Rule books and make updates, or else get a new ones. I believe the long tug/long tow option is GONE where four white verticle lights were used for this configuration. Tugs with tows would display either 2 or 3 masthead lights. 3 for long tow over 200 meters. Rule 23 (a) ii no longer applies for tows. **** Here is how I remember it for short tug. The idea is to think about what lights you take away as you make changes from tow-behind to hip-tow, to push-ahead-tow. **** For International and Inland the tow-behind lights are the same: Long Tow [behind] Three whites on the mast, diamond dayshape on tow and last barge. Yellow tow light over stern light, sidelights on Tow. Barges have sidelights and sternlights. Short Tow--[Drop a couple barges] Drop tug masthead lights--from three to 2. Also drop dayshapes. International: Bring Tow up to hip-tow. Drop yellow tow light. Bring Tow up to tow-ahead. Drop stern light on tow Inland Swap sternlight for two yellow tow lights aft. Add special flashing lights to bows of tow for both hip tow and push-ahead tow. For Western Rivers with low bridge clearance, you get to drop the tug's two white lights. In such cases, there are no white lights on a push ahead tow! ****** Optional--direct searchlight in direction of tow Partially submerged tows need a 360 white light at each end. Also black diamond dayshape and searchlight. Bart "DSK" wrote in Bart Senior wrote: Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights. No stern light on push-ahead barge. I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper on VHF... is that cheating? DSK |
Typical Neal. You get the question wrong so you try to invent new
concepts. The question exactly duplicates the wording in the rule. Why do you have so much trouble be a man and admitting you're wrong? Its becoming clear you're just another whiny liberal. Capt. Neal® wrote: The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the tug so it is logical to not have a stern light. I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is being pushed ahead. This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means a hip tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the combination. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Neal, Take a look at this link to the most current rules: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm "a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit, shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];" Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light. The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL. "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Bart, You need to review. For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special flashing light on the tow. For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus two yellow towing lights on the stern of the tow. I hope this helps. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... Doug, What is the difference in lights between the hip tow and pushing ahead? "DSK" wrote I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead. |
Capt,
Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a **** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no control. Joe |
Joe wrote:
Capt, Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a **** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no control. Joe No arguments here. Generally when you see this, the tug has come from sea and a stern tow. Prior to docking, she'll take the barge on the "hip" for obvious reasons of handling. Some of the few times I've seen a tug situated as Neal described was when the barge was light and/or they had a barge on each hip. At any rate, when I'm handling a tug/barge combination, I always look to see how far aft the tug is for a quick judge of maneuverability. otn |
I can hip tow much bigger boats using my 10-foot dinghy and 3.3 hp
Mariner. I only have steering control, however if I hip tow and have my dinghy's motor aft the transom of the boat I'm towing. This is a hip tow but the tow's bow is way forward of mine. In a way, it is pushing from behind. I can see why they changed the rule to require a special flashing light on such a tow because it is little different from one where the tug is in-line behind the tow. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Joe wrote: Capt, Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a **** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no control. Joe No arguments here. Generally when you see this, the tug has come from sea and a stern tow. Prior to docking, she'll take the barge on the "hip" for obvious reasons of handling. Some of the few times I've seen a tug situated as Neal described was when the barge was light and/or they had a barge on each hip. At any rate, when I'm handling a tug/barge combination, I always look to see how far aft the tug is for a quick judge of maneuverability. otn |
Call me lame too. I didn't know about it until recently.
"Jeff Morris" wrote Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago. |
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