Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Bart,

You need to review.

For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special
flashing light on the tow.

For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus
two yellow
towing lights on the stern of the tow.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?

"DSK" wrote

I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed
ahead.

Bart Senior wrote:
Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.


New edition of the rules... that's a dirty trick!

Anyway, the lights are still effectively the same for a side tow &
pusher, because if the pusher did have a stern light you couldn't see it
anyway.

Thanks for the link, I intend to do a little studying.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bart Senior wrote:
Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow.


This can be a problem for many. Aside from the updated version of the
"Rules" on my computer, I keep two hard copy (one of them a quick
reference) of older versions (one May, 1977) plus two predating the 72
COLREGS.
I frequently find that some will answer a Rules question, based on
outdated "rules", and I oft times find myself looking back through all
copies because something has perked an old forgotten brain cell, either
in the question or someone's answer.

otn

The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the tug so it
is logical to not have a stern light.

I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is being pushed
ahead. This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means a hip
tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the combination.

CN


"Bart Senior" wrote in message ...
Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light [Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...


Bart,

You need to review.

For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special flashing light on the tow.

For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus two yellow
towing lights on the stern of the tow.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Bart Senior" wrote in message ...
Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?

"DSK" wrote

I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed ahead.

Capt. Neal® wrote:
The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the
tug so it
is logical to not have a stern light.

I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is
being pushed
ahead.

wrong.

This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means
a hip
tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the
combination.

wrong, but all things considered, it's understandable that you wouldn't
know better.

otn

Typical Neal. You get the question wrong so you try to invent new
concepts. The question exactly duplicates the wording in the rule.
Why do you have so much trouble be a man and admitting you're wrong?
Its becoming clear you're just another whiny liberal.


Capt. Neal® wrote:
The stern light would interfere with the vision of the operator of the
tug so it
is logical to not have a stern light.

I say any tow that is alongside but has its bow ahead of the tug is
being pushed
ahead. This is were the confusion comes in. Towed alongside to me means
a hip
tow and a hip tow is where the bow of the tug is further forward in the
combination.

CN


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...

Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing
light [Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing
light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special
flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...



Bart,

You need to review.

For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special
flashing light on the tow.

For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow
plus two yellow
towing lights on the stern of the tow.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...

Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?

"DSK" wrote

I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being
pushed ahead.

Capt,

Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as
far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a
**** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge
on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no
control.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Capt,

Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as
far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a
**** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge
on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no
control.

Joe


No arguments here. Generally when you see this, the tug has come from
sea and a stern tow. Prior to docking, she'll take the barge on the
"hip" for obvious reasons of handling.
Some of the few times I've seen a tug situated as Neal described was
when the barge was light and/or they had a barge on each hip.
At any rate, when I'm handling a tug/barge combination, I always look to
see how far aft the tug is for a quick judge of maneuverability.

otn

I can hip tow much bigger boats using my 10-foot dinghy and 3.3 hp
Mariner. I only have steering control, however if I hip tow and have
my dinghy's motor aft the transom of the boat I'm towing.

This is a hip tow but the tow's bow is way forward of mine.
In a way, it is pushing from behind. I can see why they changed
the rule to require a special flashing light on such a tow because
it is little different from one where the tug is in-line behind the
tow.

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Joe wrote:
Capt,

Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as
far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a
**** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge
on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no
control.

Joe


No arguments here. Generally when you see this, the tug has come from
sea and a stern tow. Prior to docking, she'll take the barge on the
"hip" for obvious reasons of handling.
Some of the few times I've seen a tug situated as Neal described was
when the barge was light and/or they had a barge on each hip.
At any rate, when I'm handling a tug/barge combination, I always look to
see how far aft the tug is for a quick judge of maneuverability.

otn

Lots of people are not aware of this concept. 1 point for
bringing it up.

Ever try hip towing in the fog? I once lost my GPS in the
thick fog while hip towing. All I had was a compass, but with
the difficulty steering, I doubt I could have found my way.

Fortunately, I removed, cleaned and reinserted the batteries
in my GPS and got it back online.

"Joe" wrote

Most times if not all when a barge is on the Hip the tug is still as
far aft as possiable. That way he can still control the barge. Its a
**** poor way to tow but needed in some situations. Never is the barge
on the hip near the bow of the barge. You would have next to no
control.