And what about rule 24 (f)(ii):
a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and
at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light

It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal.

And what do you mean "by definition"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:
I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition
a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead.

A. is the correct answer.

B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require
a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well.

Get a clue.

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...

Capt. Neal® wrote:





You need to review, too.

A is the correct answer.

The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing
light is NOT, I repeat, NOT
required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow
requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require
a special flashing light.

INLAND

A special flashing light is used on a vessel

A. being pushed ahead
B. towed alongside
C. towed astern
D. both A & B




CN


Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine?

otn

This is a very good question.

Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine.

The Rule has changed recently.

D is correct.



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
And what about rule 24 (f)(ii):
a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and
at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light

It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal.

And what do you mean "by definition"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:
I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition
a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead.

A. is the correct answer.

B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require
a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well.

Get a clue.

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...

Capt. Neal® wrote:





You need to review, too.

A is the correct answer.

The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing
light is NOT, I repeat, NOT
required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow
requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a
special flashing light.

INLAND

A special flashing light is used on a vessel

A. being pushed ahead
B. towed alongside
C. towed astern
D. both A & B




CN


Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine?

otn

The pushed ahead barge drops its stern light.

Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Bart,

You need to review.

For pushing ahead in inland rules you need sidelights and a special
flashing light on the tow.

For hip towing you need only the side light on the front of the tow plus
two yellow
towing lights on the stern of the tow.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?

"DSK" wrote

I think that's right, a side tie gets the same light as being pushed
ahead.

Bart Senior wrote:
Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow. the only case where there is no special
flashing light is tow behind--same for both INLAND and INTERNATIONAL.


New edition of the rules... that's a dirty trick!

Anyway, the lights are still effectively the same for a side tow &
pusher, because if the pusher did have a stern light you couldn't see it
anyway.

Thanks for the link, I intend to do a little studying.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

This is an interesting question, and shows out how the
Rules do change. I need to either go through my Rule
books and make updates, or else get a new ones.

I believe the long tug/long tow option is GONE where four
white verticle lights were used for this configuration. Tugs
with tows would display either 2 or 3 masthead lights.
3 for long tow over 200 meters. Rule 23 (a) ii no longer
applies for tows.

****

Here is how I remember it for short tug.

The idea is to think about what lights you take
away as you make changes from tow-behind to
hip-tow, to push-ahead-tow.

****

For International and Inland the tow-behind lights are the same:

Long Tow [behind]

Three whites on the mast, diamond dayshape on tow and
last barge. Yellow tow light over stern light, sidelights on
Tow. Barges have sidelights and sternlights.

Short Tow--[Drop a couple barges] Drop tug masthead
lights--from three to 2. Also drop dayshapes.

International:

Bring Tow up to hip-tow. Drop yellow tow light.
Bring Tow up to tow-ahead. Drop stern light on tow

Inland
Swap sternlight for two yellow tow lights aft.
Add special flashing lights to bows of tow for
both hip tow and push-ahead tow.

For Western Rivers with low bridge clearance,
you get to drop the tug's two white lights. In
such cases, there are no white lights on a push
ahead tow!

******

Optional--direct searchlight in direction of tow

Partially submerged tows need a 360 white light at each end.
Also black diamond dayshape and searchlight.

Bart


"DSK" wrote in

Bart Senior wrote:
Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?


AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel
displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights.

No stern light on push-ahead barge.


I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare
occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper
on VHF... is that cheating?

DSK

Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago.


Bart Senior wrote:
This is a very good question.

Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine.

The Rule has changed recently.

D is correct.



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

And what about rule 24 (f)(ii):
a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and
at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light

It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal.

And what do you mean "by definition"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:

I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition
a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead.

A. is the correct answer.

B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require
a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well.

Get a clue.

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
thlink.net...


Capt. Neal® wrote:




You need to review, too.

A is the correct answer.

The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing
light is NOT, I repeat, NOT
required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow
requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does not require a
special flashing light.

INLAND

A special flashing light is used on a vessel

A. being pushed ahead
B. towed alongside
C. towed astern
D. both A & B




CN


Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine?

otn

Bart Senior wrote:
Neal,

Take a look at this link to the most current rules:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule24.htm

"a vessel being pushed ahead, not being part of a composite unit,
shall exhibit at the forward end, sidelights, and a special flashing light
[Inld];"

Both hip tow and pushing ahead for inland have the special flashing light.

The only difference between the two--aside from physical configuration is
there is no stern light on the push ahead tow. Both have special flashing
lights on the bow of the tow.


This can be a problem for many. Aside from the updated version of the
"Rules" on my computer, I keep two hard copy (one of them a quick
reference) of older versions (one May, 1977) plus two predating the 72
COLREGS.
I frequently find that some will answer a Rules question, based on
outdated "rules", and I oft times find myself looking back through all
copies because something has perked an old forgotten brain cell, either
in the question or someone's answer.

otn

Hardly lame at all. I took the test well over six years ago. PUTZ!

B. was correct when I took the test originally.

CN


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Lame excuse, the rule was changed 6 years ago.


Bart Senior wrote:
This is a very good question.

Neal has an older copy of the Rules, like mine.

The Rule has changed recently.

D is correct.



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...

And what about rule 24 (f)(ii):
a vessel being towed alongside shall exhibit a sternlight and
at the forward end, sidelights and a special flashing light

It really isn't that hard to learn this stuff, Neal.

And what do you mean "by definition"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:

I fail to see why you two idiots cannot understand that by definition
a special flashing light is ONLY used on a vessel being pushed ahead.

A. is the correct answer.

B. is incorrect because a vessel being towed along side does not require
a special flashing light. That makes D. wrong as well.

Get a clue.

CN


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...


Capt. Neal® wrote:




You need to review, too.

A is the correct answer.

The question is inland only. In the inland rules a special flashing light is NOT, I repeat, NOT
required when towing along side past the demarcation line. A hip tow requires sidelights and two yellows on its stern. It does
not require a special flashing light.

INLAND

A special flashing light is used on a vessel

A. being pushed ahead
B. towed alongside
C. towed astern
D. both A & B




CN


Sheesh Where'd you get your copy of the Rules .... Mad Magazine?

otn

Hip tow means the tug itself is further forward than the tow.

This configuration does not need a special flashing light on the tow.

Towing alongside can mean a hip tow or an alongside tow where the
tow is further forward than the tug.

Question 21 is poorly worded and I maintain B is still the correct answer
because, unless it clarifies 'along side' as not being a hip tow, then it
means the tow is further ahead than the tug - in effect the tug is pushing
ahead. Click the link for a picture.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...ule24fInld.gif

I hope this helps.

CN


"Bart Senior" wrote in message ...
This is an interesting question, and shows out how the
Rules do change. I need to either go through my Rule
books and make updates, or else get a new ones.

I believe the long tug/long tow option is GONE where four
white verticle lights were used for this configuration. Tugs
with tows would display either 2 or 3 masthead lights.
3 for long tow over 200 meters. Rule 23 (a) ii no longer
applies for tows.

****

Here is how I remember it for short tug.

The idea is to think about what lights you take
away as you make changes from tow-behind to
hip-tow, to push-ahead-tow.

****

For International and Inland the tow-behind lights are the same:

Long Tow [behind]

Three whites on the mast, diamond dayshape on tow and
last barge. Yellow tow light over stern light, sidelights on
Tow. Barges have sidelights and sternlights.

Short Tow--[Drop a couple barges] Drop tug masthead
lights--from three to 2. Also drop dayshapes.

International:

Bring Tow up to hip-tow. Drop yellow tow light.
Bring Tow up to tow-ahead. Drop stern light on tow

Inland
Swap sternlight for two yellow tow lights aft.
Add special flashing lights to bows of tow for
both hip tow and push-ahead tow.

For Western Rivers with low bridge clearance,
you get to drop the tug's two white lights. In
such cases, there are no white lights on a push
ahead tow!

******

Optional--direct searchlight in direction of tow

Partially submerged tows need a 360 white light at each end.
Also black diamond dayshape and searchlight.

Bart


"DSK" wrote in

Bart Senior wrote:
Doug,

What is the difference in lights between the
hip tow and pushing ahead?


AFAIK there isn't a difference. In both cases the towing/pushing vessel
displays running lights + towing lights, the tow displays yellow lights.

No stern light on push-ahead barge.


I don't know this stuff by heart, I always look it up. On those rare
occasions when we're underway at night and see a tow, I call the skipper
on VHF... is that cheating?

DSK