"Joe" wrote in message
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Mooron, I have no need to haul my vessel every year,

You do but you just can't bother.

My zincs are in
almost pristine condition all 7 of them.

Then they aren't doing their job.

I only need to haul every 3
yrs or so to put a new coat of antifoulant. The epoxy barrier coat will
last 20 yrs if not damaged while removing old antifoulant. Here we dive
to brush away the scum dont need a wet suit either.

Antifoulant that lasts 3 years in a tropical climate is some toxic sludge
alright! I wouldn't swim in your area ... let alone dive there!


Waxin boats is
for wussies. My paint shines like new for 3 years and never need
waxing.

Painted... Hah.... I have original gelcoat! Paint is for metal and wooden
boats.


Here i can sail for 45 min and be dragging a shrimp net that
will fill with shrimp, flounders, crabs, and the occasional redfish all
most excellent for eating. I can land on a number of oyster reefs and
rake up 2-3 sack within an hour...a perfect cold weather adventure. 10
mile offshore we have crystal clear blue water with excellent reefs for
catching Ling, Red Snapper, Groupers, Tuna, Kings, Dolphins, Shark ect
ect......

Your area is one of the most polluted locations in the USA next to Florida!!
Nova Scotia has way more seafood available year round.... and it's not
tainted by industrial run-off and the pollution of a million vessels whose
hulls are coated with a toxic, ablative coating that lasts 3 years...
constantly dropping paricles onto the scallop and oyster beds!


And my equipment is kept in excellent condition at all times
because it's used all the time.

Used for what... you're at the dock 99% of the time. My equipment is
serviced and overhauled every season!


While your dryrotts as your hull hoggs
in a cradle.

It's a custom cradle... no hogging and no flexing. The pads and keel bed are
all adjustable. Drying a fibreglass hull is not damaging at all... unlike
leaving a rust bucket in salt water all year.

CM

My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC & DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for free.

While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC & DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Your neigbouring vessels probably do have stray voltage... and since you see
fit to use a dock like some Power Boater... instead of a Mooring... you are
at risk from them.


Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for free.

I just walk down to Coolen's Dock and ask Tommy.... I get whatever seafood
I want free as well.


While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

What makes you think a fibreglass vessel shrinks on dry dock?? It
doesn't..... and your one trip out for a 10 mile tour every week hardly
constitutes a lot of use... lets face the facts.... both you and Neal use
your boats like floating trailer homes. It probably takes you 4 hours just
to pack and straighten the vessel for your weekly 4 hour sail.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage
in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC &
DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels
of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Your neigbouring vessels probably do have stray voltage... and since
you see
fit to use a dock like some Power Boater... instead of a Mooring...
you are
at risk from them.

Did you miss the part about my voltage isolater? plu I measure stray
voltlage here all the time. Not an issue.


Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge
the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for
free.

I just walk down to Coolen's Dock and ask Tommy.... I get whatever
seafood
I want free as well.

Here I sail at night and pull a 25 foot sport net that quickly fills
with the freshest bounty the bay has to offer.





While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg
we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

What makes you think a fibreglass vessel shrinks on dry dock??

Because all the moisture contained in plastic boat blisters freeze..
pop...shrink into craters that need to be ground and dug out.. filled
faired painted just to do it all again in 6 mo when you have to haul
again. Not to mention all the soaked core freezing and buckling your
bulworks and decks. Then you have to wait for warm enough weather so
all your plastic putties and goups can set up and dry. If you had a
steel boat you could weld in the coldest weather if needed.

BTW when you going to post pictures of the superior steel vessel under
construction in your local neighborhood?


It
doesn't..... and your one trip out for a 10 mile tour every week
hardly
constitutes a lot of use... lets face the facts.... both you and Neal
use
your boats like floating trailer homes.


RedCloud is my home and outclasses any trailor parked in Canaduh or
the USA.


It probably takes you 4 hours just
to pack and straighten the vessel for your weekly 4 hour sail.


More like 10 min..


Joe

CM

"Joe" wrote in message

BTW when you going to post pictures of the superior steel vessel under
construction in your local neighborhood?

Damn..... I went by there 3 times so far and forgot the camera. I'll do it
tomorrow. I'll post a binary to the group... just because I know it will
**** off the yokels on phone lines or with P3 pieces of junk for computers!

I've been interested in reviewing the costs.... If I took some photos maybe
we could get a thread going on what it would take and cost to have the
vessel sea ready!

CM

Mooron, I have no need to haul my vessel every year,


Capt. Mooron wrote:
You do but you just can't bother.

Baloney. Why?

Unless forced to do so by weather (in which case you should consider
moving south), the need for underwater repairs or to renew anti-fouling,
you shouldn't haul your boat out of the water at all. It's bad for it.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Unless forced to do so by weather (in which case you should consider
moving south), the need for underwater repairs or to renew anti-fouling,
you shouldn't haul your boat out of the water at all. It's bad for it.

Now I've heard it all.... it's bad to haul your boat out!! Good Grief!

Here's a bit of news... if you are not living on your boat... it's a damned
smart move to haul it when you know for a fact you are not going to use it!
If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular basis!
If you live on a boat tied to a mooring for 90% of the time... a 3 year
haul-out cycle is ridiculously incompetent!

CM

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Now I've heard it all.... it's bad to haul your boat out!! Good Grief!

Do you think it's *good* for it to remove the hull from the even support
of the water, and put it on jackstands or a cradle?


Here's a bit of news... if you are not living on your boat... it's a damned
smart move to haul it when you know for a fact you are not going to use it!

Why? Are you afraid that it might sink because of incompetent maintenance?


If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular basis!

Why?

How can you say "it pays" when it's actually rather expensive?

If you live on a boat tied to a mooring for 90% of the time... a 3 year
haul-out cycle is ridiculously incompetent!


Why?

I named the reasons to haul a boat out of the water. Can you provide
some other reasons to cover your claims?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

I named the reasons to haul a boat out of the water. Can you provide some
other reasons to cover your claims?

Shure....


Do you think it's *good* for it to remove the hull from the even support
of the water, and put it on jackstands or a cradle?

What harm would it do to a proper vessel? The boat flexes more in a seaway
than in the cradle. A proper cradle with sufficent support in no way harms a
vessel... to say otherwise is nonsense.

Why? Are you afraid that it might sink because of incompetent maintenance?

Maybe..... it doesn't take much to sink a vessel. A bad mooring that has
been rented, another vessel breaking loose and impacting your boat, storms,
vandals. Anyone who leaves their boat unattended for extended durations is
tempting Mr. Murphy. I always have someone living aboard my vessel when it's
at the mooring and I find myself out of town working.

If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular
basis!

Why?

For Gawd's sake... maintainence!! If you neglect your hull... the effects
will soon become cumalitive. A sailboat isn't like a fleet trawler that you
can hire a diver to professionally clean the hull everytime you are in port
and provide you with a list of defects requiring attention.

How can you say "it pays" when it's actually rather expensive?

Since when is $75...expensive? A travel lift takes minutes to haul a
vessel. It's cheap!

If you live on a boat tied to a mooring for 90% of the time... a 3 year
haul-out cycle is ridiculously incompetent!

Why?

Well Doug.... nothing grows a garden like a boat that spends the majority
of it's time to a mooring. Barnacles and growth infest beyond the intake
screens. Scrape all you want.... the only way to properly clean and reapply
an annual coat of ablative paint is a haul-out. Tropical waters only act to
speed the process of fouling.

Really Doug... I know you know better than this and are no doubt looking for
a refreshing debate with you playing Devil's Advocate.

CM
..

Do you think it's *good* for it to remove the hull from the even support
of the water, and put it on jackstands or a cradle?


Capt. Mooron wrote:
What harm would it do to a proper vessel?

Ever heard of sagging or hogging?

... The boat flexes more in a seaway
than in the cradle.

WHAT!!!

If your vessel "flexes in a seaway" then it's either large cargo ship
bridging two big ocean swells, or else it' sadly underbuilt.

... A proper cradle with sufficent support in no way harms a
vessel... to say otherwise is nonsense.


If by "a proper cradle" you mean a custom job with fitted bunks, then
I'd tentatively agree. But most cradles with 4 adjustable pads, or a set
of jackstands, put a great deal of stress on a hull & deck... usually
don't support the boat well enough nor keep it in close enough
alignment, and the result is slow structural degredation.


Why? Are you afraid that it might sink because of incompetent maintenance?


Maybe..... it doesn't take much to sink a vessel.

Nope, just a small leak over a long time... or a big one over a short time.

... A bad mooring that has
been rented, another vessel breaking loose and impacting your boat, storms,
vandals.

???
Sounds like you're boating in the Wild West or some gawd-forsaken
wilderness... oh wait, I forgot, you *are* boating in some gawd-forsaken
wilderness...

... Anyone who leaves their boat unattended for extended durations is
tempting Mr. Murphy.

Agreed, but that's true when it's hauled out as well.

... I always have someone living aboard my vessel when it's
at the mooring and I find myself out of town working.


That sounds like a good arrangement... your brother?


If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular
basis!

Why?


For Gawd's sake... maintainence!! If you neglect your hull... the effects
will soon become cumalitive.

Neglect is stupid & destructive whether the boat is ahsore or afloat...
worse ashore IMHO... especially if it fills with rainwater...


How can you say "it pays" when it's actually rather expensive?


Since when is $75...expensive? A travel lift takes minutes to haul a
vessel. It's cheap!

Well, there you go. Around here (which is one of the least expesnive
places on the East Coast) you can't get a Travel-Lift to turn the key
for less than $200... usually they hit you up for that plus a per-foot
charge...



Why?


Well Doug.... nothing grows a garden like a boat that spends the majority
of it's time to a mooring.

Is that my fault? You can either take the thing out for a spin
occasionally, or hire a local diver to give it a scrub once in a while
(which isn't very expensive, considering the cost of annual haul-out).



Really Doug... I know you know better than this and are no doubt looking for
a refreshing debate with you playing Devil's Advocate.


No, just offering some common sense to offset your assumption that
everybody has their boat moored in some uncivilzed hinterland.

My original statement is completely true: Unless forced to do so by
weather, the need for underwater repairs or to renew anti-fouling, you
shouldn't haul your boat out of the water at all.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King