This would really mean something if the pair of you weren't moored or docked
for 99% of the time. Let's face it.... your time aboard would be better
spent if you both hauled your vessels and did some maintenance for a change.

My vessel will age far less drastically than either of yours. Cut The
Mustard no doubt has a saturated hull from extended immersion and Red Cloud
is rusting on a wet berth.

Hauling out every season allows me to inspect and maintain my vessel's hull
and submerged components. While I change zincs annually... Joe's 200 zincs
are deteriorating daily. While Capt. Neal's spongy hull is becoming infested
with a marine growth to rival a coral reef.... mine is clear, smooth, hard
and crustacean free. While Cut the Mustard's hull is discolouring...
Overproof's hull is waxed to the waterline and so shiny you can shave in the
reflection. While the pair of you can only entertain wet maintenance.... I
have the luxury of seasonal dry dock overhauls and full access for
maintenance & repairs.

You pay a price for the convenience of warm weather sailing.... grossly
polluted locations, a plethora of other boats to contend with, advanced
deterioration of equipment, corrosion, complacency as well as exaggerated
mooring & docking fees.

I'll stick to my seasonal sailing regime thank-you very much..... the water
here is deep blue, pristine by comparison and I can actually eat the fish or
shellfish without fear of mercury or other toxic contamination! The fact
that I'm fortunate to even spot 2 or 3 vessels out sailing in the summer is
as well a benefit neither of you enjoy!!

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I have noted a rise in frustration lately on this group.

I think many people are frustrated and showing that frustration by
being grouchy, mean and crass. Take Katysails, for example. She has
become the witch we all knew she was. She could no longer keep up
the facade of being somewhat normal.

Mooron is clearly angry and upset at being shut in and not able to
sail his sturdy but slow vessel. Gaynz is probably afraid to sail his
tiny craft with all the rain and storms California is having.

Ole Thom seems to be somewhat out of sorts in that the conditions
in his neck of the woods is not conducive to sailing either.

Please note how the above people who claim to be sailors have got
themselves stuck in places where sailing is but a dream most of the
year. One must wonder why they remain living in regions where they
know they will be frustrated most of the year?

Is it because they are stupid? Lazy? Unmotivated? Trapped? Awaiting
trial? Perhaps, but I think the real reason boils down to the fact that
they are, in their hearts, lubbers. If they were really sailors they
would have found a way to live in places that allow them to sail on
a year round basis.
The only conclusion I can draw is Joe and I are the only real sailors
on this newsgroup.

CN

Mooron, I have no need to haul my vessel every year, My zincs are in
almost pristine condition all 7 of them. I only need to haul every 3
yrs or so to put a new coat of antifoulant. The epoxy barrier coat will
last 20 yrs if not damaged while removing old antifoulant. Here we dive
to brush away the scum dont need a wet suit either. Waxin boats is
for wussies. My paint shines like new for 3 years and never need
waxing. Here i can sail for 45 min and be dragging a shrimp net that
will fill with shrimp, flounders, crabs, and the occasional redfish all
most excellent for eating. I can land on a number of oyster reefs and
rake up 2-3 sack within an hour...a perfect cold weather adventure. 10
mile offshore we have crystal clear blue water with excellent reefs for
catching Ling, Red Snapper, Groupers, Tuna, Kings, Dolphins, Shark ect
ect......And my equipment is kept in excellent condition at all times
because it's used all the time. While your dryrotts as your hull hoggs
in a cradle.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mooron, I have no need to haul my vessel every year,

You do but you just can't bother.

My zincs are in
almost pristine condition all 7 of them.

Then they aren't doing their job.

I only need to haul every 3
yrs or so to put a new coat of antifoulant. The epoxy barrier coat will
last 20 yrs if not damaged while removing old antifoulant. Here we dive
to brush away the scum dont need a wet suit either.

Antifoulant that lasts 3 years in a tropical climate is some toxic sludge
alright! I wouldn't swim in your area ... let alone dive there!


Waxin boats is
for wussies. My paint shines like new for 3 years and never need
waxing.

Painted... Hah.... I have original gelcoat! Paint is for metal and wooden
boats.


Here i can sail for 45 min and be dragging a shrimp net that
will fill with shrimp, flounders, crabs, and the occasional redfish all
most excellent for eating. I can land on a number of oyster reefs and
rake up 2-3 sack within an hour...a perfect cold weather adventure. 10
mile offshore we have crystal clear blue water with excellent reefs for
catching Ling, Red Snapper, Groupers, Tuna, Kings, Dolphins, Shark ect
ect......

Your area is one of the most polluted locations in the USA next to Florida!!
Nova Scotia has way more seafood available year round.... and it's not
tainted by industrial run-off and the pollution of a million vessels whose
hulls are coated with a toxic, ablative coating that lasts 3 years...
constantly dropping paricles onto the scallop and oyster beds!


And my equipment is kept in excellent condition at all times
because it's used all the time.

Used for what... you're at the dock 99% of the time. My equipment is
serviced and overhauled every season!


While your dryrotts as your hull hoggs
in a cradle.

It's a custom cradle... no hogging and no flexing. The pads and keel bed are
all adjustable. Drying a fibreglass hull is not damaging at all... unlike
leaving a rust bucket in salt water all year.

CM

My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC & DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for free.

While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC & DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Your neigbouring vessels probably do have stray voltage... and since you see
fit to use a dock like some Power Boater... instead of a Mooring... you are
at risk from them.


Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for free.

I just walk down to Coolen's Dock and ask Tommy.... I get whatever seafood
I want free as well.


While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

What makes you think a fibreglass vessel shrinks on dry dock?? It
doesn't..... and your one trip out for a 10 mile tour every week hardly
constitutes a lot of use... lets face the facts.... both you and Neal use
your boats like floating trailer homes. It probably takes you 4 hours just
to pack and straighten the vessel for your weekly 4 hour sail.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
My zincs dont waste away very fast because I have no stray voltage
in
my hull. My hull is isolated from all electrical currents bith AC &
DC.
I also use a isolater to keep any stray voltage from other vessels
of
the dock power from causing any damage. My zincs are 20 pound tear
drops and will last 3 years without 50%loss.

Your neigbouring vessels probably do have stray voltage... and since
you see
fit to use a dock like some Power Boater... instead of a Mooring...
you are
at risk from them.

Did you miss the part about my voltage isolater? plu I measure stray
voltlage here all the time. Not an issue.


Way more seafood if you can hire someone brave enough to challenge
the
N. Atlantic to go and get it for you. Here we go and get it for
free.

I just walk down to Coolen's Dock and ask Tommy.... I get whatever
seafood
I want free as well.

Here I sail at night and pull a 25 foot sport net that quickly fills
with the freshest bounty the bay has to offer.





While your boat dries and and starts to shrink and crack and hogg
we
will be sailing the gulf or bays year round.

What makes you think a fibreglass vessel shrinks on dry dock??

Because all the moisture contained in plastic boat blisters freeze..
pop...shrink into craters that need to be ground and dug out.. filled
faired painted just to do it all again in 6 mo when you have to haul
again. Not to mention all the soaked core freezing and buckling your
bulworks and decks. Then you have to wait for warm enough weather so
all your plastic putties and goups can set up and dry. If you had a
steel boat you could weld in the coldest weather if needed.

BTW when you going to post pictures of the superior steel vessel under
construction in your local neighborhood?


It
doesn't..... and your one trip out for a 10 mile tour every week
hardly
constitutes a lot of use... lets face the facts.... both you and Neal
use
your boats like floating trailer homes.


RedCloud is my home and outclasses any trailor parked in Canaduh or
the USA.


It probably takes you 4 hours just
to pack and straighten the vessel for your weekly 4 hour sail.


More like 10 min..


Joe

CM

"Joe" wrote in message

BTW when you going to post pictures of the superior steel vessel under
construction in your local neighborhood?

Damn..... I went by there 3 times so far and forgot the camera. I'll do it
tomorrow. I'll post a binary to the group... just because I know it will
**** off the yokels on phone lines or with P3 pieces of junk for computers!

I've been interested in reviewing the costs.... If I took some photos maybe
we could get a thread going on what it would take and cost to have the
vessel sea ready!

CM

Mooron, I have no need to haul my vessel every year,


Capt. Mooron wrote:
You do but you just can't bother.

Baloney. Why?

Unless forced to do so by weather (in which case you should consider
moving south), the need for underwater repairs or to renew anti-fouling,
you shouldn't haul your boat out of the water at all. It's bad for it.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Unless forced to do so by weather (in which case you should consider
moving south), the need for underwater repairs or to renew anti-fouling,
you shouldn't haul your boat out of the water at all. It's bad for it.

Now I've heard it all.... it's bad to haul your boat out!! Good Grief!

Here's a bit of news... if you are not living on your boat... it's a damned
smart move to haul it when you know for a fact you are not going to use it!
If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular basis!
If you live on a boat tied to a mooring for 90% of the time... a 3 year
haul-out cycle is ridiculously incompetent!

CM

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Now I've heard it all.... it's bad to haul your boat out!! Good Grief!

Do you think it's *good* for it to remove the hull from the even support
of the water, and put it on jackstands or a cradle?


Here's a bit of news... if you are not living on your boat... it's a damned
smart move to haul it when you know for a fact you are not going to use it!

Why? Are you afraid that it might sink because of incompetent maintenance?


If you do live on your boat and are not underway for extended periods or
enroute.... it most definitely pays to haul your boat on a regular basis!

Why?

How can you say "it pays" when it's actually rather expensive?

If you live on a boat tied to a mooring for 90% of the time... a 3 year
haul-out cycle is ridiculously incompetent!


Why?

I named the reasons to haul a boat out of the water. Can you provide
some other reasons to cover your claims?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King