pivot turn in a narrow area
 

Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

It should be doable... use the backfill technique if you have an outboard.

If you have an inboard, you can still do it, but it'll require more
shuttling back and forth.

I'd suggest practicing it say between mooring balls before trying it at the
dock. Make sure you're fenders are out, have plenty of hands on deck to help
the first couple of times, and don't get going more than enough to maintain
headway. Remember which way the boat turns better, both forward and reverse
(prop walk), and use this to your advantage.

Of course, backing up 90 feet shouldn't be a big deal either.. that's just 3
boat lengths, and you'll get a lot of practical experience with prop walk,
which will help you when you finally get sick of backing up. g

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"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

Assuming an inboard with a right hand prop, you could accomplish this in a
number of ways.
1.With help from a "fwd, after spring" and some creative line handling.
2.By "springing" out then backing off and doing a pivot turn (made harder by
the fact you will be bringing the bow through the wind).
3. Just back her up the 90 feet into the wind ( most boats like to back into
the wind which simplifies control when backing into it.)

otn


"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

backing up.........i don't think you want to back up if the gaynz one is
around.
gf.

Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk. Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

On 14 Feb 2005 21:25:49 -0800, "coldcorona"
wrote this crap:

Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?


If you have an outboard, it's easy. Just turn the motor and the whole
boat will pivot.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I don't know Scotty..... this "coldcorona"..... smells fishy to me. :-)

Sailboats belong on a mooring!!

Anyway... anybody who rents a slip in an area they can't access easily is
just plain stupid.

I can turn my Crab Crusher on a dime and it hates to back up.... fin keelers
would have no problem in that situation

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk. Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

We had to do that twice this past year at the yacht club when the winds
wouldn't allow us to back out the fairway (we were on the dock perpendicular
to the slips...) we're 31 actual feet ...rigged the line from the away side
of the bow to the stern and around a post so Mr sails could keep the bow in
place from his position at the wheel and kept the away stern tie on with a
bit of slackI manned the bow with dock pole to fend off pilings and
sterns...we are deep keel fin and the boat will pivot very nicely on
it...was nerve-wracking the first time but managed not to mutilate or dent
anything...the second time went much better...

"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port side is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

Why don't you tell us again about your "relationship" with your daughter?
Apparently, it isn't the normal kind of parent/daughter one.

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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
backing up.........i don't think you want to back up if the gaynz one is
around.
gf.

Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

Sounds like a newbie to me. ''wind is at the stern''? good grief!

Scotty



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:oBlQd.43974$K54.1127@edtnps84...
I don't know Scotty..... this "coldcorona"..... smells fishy to me.
:-)

Sailboats belong on a mooring!!

Anyway... anybody who rents a slip in an area they can't access
easily is
just plain stupid.

I can turn my Crab Crusher on a dime and it hates to back up.... fin
keelers
would have no problem in that situation

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the
wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk.
Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port
side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think
there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

If 'coldcorona" had any ability to sail..... he'd strike canvas and sail
outta that slip.... 40 ft is plenty of room to turn around... and tack up
wind in a 30ft boat!! Damned newbies!

CM

No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

Yes, Thom, I always have it handy when I'm berthing. Usually use it
to grab a dock line but have on occasions fended off with it.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa.....!!!

Bob uses them to catch mooring buoys in gales... while sailing downwind to a
lee shore.

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

Stupid is as stupid does.


"JG" wrote ...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be
used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

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www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

It's the situation....no place to go forward (unless you really want to take
out the dock...) The situation we were in was with the wind at the stern at
about 30 knots....without a line back to the dock to pivot the stern as soon
as you were abeam you'd just get blown right back...if you throttled up you
got too ,much forward motion and you'd end up pinned to the backend of the
fingerslips and everyone else's boats....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Sounds like a newbie to me. ''wind is at the stern''? good grief!

Scotty



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:oBlQd.43974$K54.1127@edtnps84...
I don't know Scotty..... this "coldcorona"..... smells fishy to me.
:-)

Sailboats belong on a mooring!!

Anyway... anybody who rents a slip in an area they can't access
easily is
just plain stupid.

I can turn my Crab Crusher on a dime and it hates to back up.... fin
keelers
would have no problem in that situation

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the
wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk.
Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port
side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think
there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

I seem to have mentioned that I had a boat hook...and we aren't talking
about being in a slip but on a straight dock, parallel parked so to
speak....

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

Really??.... I use mind to poke the rubber neckers alongside when I'm
docking.... works like a charm! [Especially when I'm swiggin' shots from a
bottle of rum and screaming obscenities at the crew]

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, Thom, I always have it handy when I'm berthing. Usually use it
to grab a dock line but have on occasions fended off with it.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

I have a 15 footer with a classic hook'em or stab'em bronze end. But I
do not need any such assitance docking. Way Wind and Walk float in like
a feather. My prop walks me in a circle in reverse so exiting is easy
as pie in the stiffest gale.

Cold corona needs to bust open a case and have fun learning.

Joe

Fortunately, I'm not that person.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:I8GQd.57856$gA4.19021@edtnps89...
Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa.....!!!

Bob uses them to catch mooring buoys in gales... while sailing downwind to
a lee shore.

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

Scotti Potti has a lot of experience in this area.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Stupid is as stupid does.


"JG" wrote ...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be
used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

Nothing wrong with using it for snagging a dock line, but fending off?
That's just foolish. Use a fender, everyone will thank you.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, Thom, I always have it handy when I'm berthing. Usually use it
to grab a dock line but have on occasions fended off with it.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

A FENDER! Ha ha, OK Bob. Hang some fenders all around your slip too,
fasten them with shackles.

BWaaaaaaaaaHahahahhahahahahahahaha


"JG" wrote in message
...
Nothing wrong with using it for snagging a dock line, but fending
off?
That's just foolish. Use a fender, everyone will thank you.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, Thom, I always have it handy when I'm berthing. Usually use
it
to grab a dock line but have on occasions fended off with it.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip
using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

"JG" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, I'm not a person.

So, you don't believe a fender should be used for fending off a dock? Got
it.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
A FENDER! Ha ha, OK Bob. Hang some fenders all around your slip too,
fasten them with shackles.

BWaaaaaaaaaHahahahhahahahahahahaha


"JG" wrote in message
...
Nothing wrong with using it for snagging a dock line, but fending
off?
That's just foolish. Use a fender, everyone will thank you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, Thom, I always have it handy when I'm berthing. Usually use
it
to grab a dock line but have on occasions fended off with it.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Group,

A question: Doesn't any one use a BOATHOOK in a slip?

It is a very handy thing in a tight situations, it can hold the
stern
against prop walk.

With a crew, it is a simple matter to enter and leave a slip
using
Neutral as the gear of choice. Simply walk the boat away from the
slip,
push the bow into the desired direction and power away,

OzOne wrote in message

Tell me Scooter, Why do you think they're called a 'fender'

Hint...they aren't a musical instrument.

I heard if you beat an Aussie with a fender... it sounds like a lot like a
Wombat!

I also heard that if you beat Jon with a Fender... he sounds like a little
girl crying!

CM

"gonefishiing" wrote in message ...
backing up.........i don't think you want to back up if the gaynz one is
around.
gf.


Gaynz is confused. When he read the header he was thinking
pivot turn and circle jerk were one and the same. . .

CN

Give it up, Katy. You giving any advice on sailing or motoring is
tantamount to the Pope giving advice on pedophile priests.

Katy, haven't you heard of using a stern anchor when proceeding
downwind into a slip or dock? Duh!

CN




"katysails" wrote in message ...
It's the situation....no place to go forward (unless you really want to take
out the dock...) The situation we were in was with the wind at the stern at
about 30 knots....without a line back to the dock to pivot the stern as soon
as you were abeam you'd just get blown right back...if you throttled up you
got too ,much forward motion and you'd end up pinned to the backend of the
fingerslips and everyone else's boats....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Sounds like a newbie to me. ''wind is at the stern''? good grief!

Scotty



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:oBlQd.43974$K54.1127@edtnps84...
I don't know Scotty..... this "coldcorona"..... smells fishy to me.
:-)

Sailboats belong on a mooring!!

Anyway... anybody who rents a slip in an area they can't access
easily is
just plain stupid.

I can turn my Crab Crusher on a dime and it hates to back up.... fin
keelers
would have no problem in that situation

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the
wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk.
Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port
side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think
there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

Motoring by committed. Bwaaaaaahahhahahahhahahahhahhahah!

How dumb and inept are you? I singlehand and I can do any
maneuver under sail and using anchors and warps and I can
accomplish it professionally without all the stupid committee
chatter you motorboaters use to the disgust of all real sailors.

You are pathetic.

CN

"katysails" posted the following crap:

We had to do that twice this past year at the yacht club when the winds
wouldn't allow us to back out the fairway (we were on the dock perpendicular
to the slips...) we're 31 actual feet ...rigged the line from the away side
of the bow to the stern and around a post so Mr sails could keep the bow in
place from his position at the wheel and kept the away stern tie on with a
bit of slackI manned the bow with dock pole to fend off pilings and
sterns...we are deep keel fin and the boat will pivot very nicely on
it...was nerve-wracking the first time but managed not to mutilate or dent
anything...the second time went much better...

"JG" wrote in message ...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

Neither is Katy's girdle but it manages . . .

CN

A wombat?? Hahahaa... You know what you get when you cross Mooron with a
fender?

A fender.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote in message

Tell me Scooter, Why do you think they're called a 'fender'

Hint...they aren't a musical instrument.

I heard if you beat an Aussie with a fender... it sounds like a lot like a
Wombat!

I also heard that if you beat Jon with a Fender... he sounds like a little
girl crying!

CM

Must hurt when the "door" slams shut....
OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:59:40 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message

Tell me Scooter, Why do you think they're called a 'fender'

Hint...they aren't a musical instrument.

I heard if you beat an Aussie with a fender... it sounds like a lot like a
Wombat!

Ahhh, the wombat.
Any animal that ****s cubes is something to be very wary of.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dope head...we were "anchored" by a stern line to a piling....you cannot set
an anchor within the marina fairways....bigger duh...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Give it up, Katy. You giving any advice on sailing or motoring is
tantamount to the Pope giving advice on pedophile priests.
Katy, haven't you heard of using a stern anchor when proceeding
downwind into a slip or dock? Duh!

CN




"katysails" wrote in message
...
It's the situation....no place to go forward (unless you really want to
take out the dock...) The situation we were in was with the wind at the
stern at about 30 knots....without a line back to the dock to pivot the
stern as soon as you were abeam you'd just get blown right back...if you
throttled up you got too ,much forward motion and you'd end up pinned to
the backend of the fingerslips and everyone else's boats....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Sounds like a newbie to me. ''wind is at the stern''? good grief!

Scotty



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:oBlQd.43974$K54.1127@edtnps84...
I don't know Scotty..... this "coldcorona"..... smells fishy to me.
:-)

Sailboats belong on a mooring!!

Anyway... anybody who rents a slip in an area they can't access
easily is
just plain stupid.

I can turn my Crab Crusher on a dime and it hates to back up.... fin
keelers
would have no problem in that situation

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Inboard, outboard? Wheel, tiller? Singlehanded, crew? Is the
wind
*ALWAYS* from the same direction? Floating docks?

Practice backing out in the open. Learn to use your prop walk.
Watch
other boats and see what they do.

SV



"coldcorona" wrote in message
oups.com...
Question about a pivot turn, is it possible to turn around a 29'
sailboat in a 40' wide area?
The only space available at a nearby marina are side ties and I'm
worried about whether I can actually dock there.
Before starting the turn the wind is at the stern. On the port
side
is
the marina wall and on the other is the dock. I don't think
there's
much if any current affecting the slip.

The other option is docking with the stern to the wind and when
leaving
backing up for 90 feet.
There are boats in front and behind this slip.

Thanks.

Committee chatter? What committee? Mr Sails and myself hardly form a
committee.....and we used two warp lines to accomplish what you're claoming
to do with lines, sails, and anchor.....less is best....

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Motoring by committed. Bwaaaaaahahhahahahhahahahhahhahah!

How dumb and inept are you? I singlehand and I can do any
maneuver under sail and using anchors and warps and I can
accomplish it professionally without all the stupid committee
chatter you motorboaters use to the disgust of all real sailors.

You are pathetic.

CN

"katysails" posted the following crap:

We had to do that twice this past year at the yacht club when the winds
wouldn't allow us to back out the fairway (we were on the dock
perpendicular to the slips...) we're 31 actual feet ...rigged the line
from the away side of the bow to the stern and around a post so Mr sails
could keep the bow in place from his position at the wheel and kept the
away stern tie on with a bit of slackI manned the bow with dock pole to
fend off pilings and sterns...we are deep keel fin and the boat will
pivot very nicely on it...was nerve-wracking the first time but managed
not to mutilate or dent anything...the second time went much better...

They still make girdles? My mom had one once....

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, because I've seen people drop them in the water. It shouldn't be used
for that anyway. It's not designed for that kind of weight.

Neither is Katy's girdle but it manages . . .

CN

katysails wrote:
...less is best....


High praise then for Neal indeed.

Cheers
Marty

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ozone wrote

Ahhh, the wombat.
Any animal that ****s ice cubes is something to be very wary of.

Pretty handy in the Summer though, eh?

SV

Hey Mooron, how many fenders can you hold while docking?

Do you have enough fenders to give each crew member at least two?

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:gUSQd.49331$K54.33913@edtnps84...

OzOne wrote in message

Tell me Scooter, Why do you think they're called a 'fender'

Hint...they aren't a musical instrument.

I heard if you beat an Aussie with a fender... it sounds like a lot
like a
Wombat!

I also heard that if you beat Jon with a Fender... he sounds like a
little
girl crying!

CM

You should send that one in to Johnny Carson.

"JG" wrote ...
You know what you get when you cross Mooron with a
fender?

A fender.