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Ellen proves the Good Captain Correct!
Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person
bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
"Gilligan" wrote in message Although I can understand your point of view on this subject... I do have to take to task a couple of points on an otherwise brilliant post. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. My sailing lifestyle is often described as "an event".... is it not an event when the good Captain finally leaves his mooring? The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. Fastened to a dock or a mooring and making daysails? I believe Bobsprit should have been included. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" That would be like choosing between 1000 Single hand solo racers loaded with hi-tech electronics and teams to route and provide support as well as liase with shipping enroute to avoid collision.... or 1000 vessels laid to a mooroing making one trip per year to a set of islands that consitutes a one day passage. Kinda of toss up wouldn't you say? In your heart you know he's right! I know he has an opinion..... right or wrong. I think he has done more to promote Ellen by his position on the topic.... while my position on Ellen's recent voyage is that I can hardly consider a highly sponsored vessel, loaded with every imaginable electronic gadget and supported by a team of people with access to satellites coverage, live photo/video coverage and global weather patterns updating the vessel every 1/2 hour... as a truly Solo endeavour. CM |
Gilligan wrote:
Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? To some extent, I agree. Imagine a 110' catamaran moving 20 knots running you down. Even if the skipper is not asleep, or too dazed from sleep deprivation, it's a difficult craft for one person to maneuver... impossible for one person to maneuver smartly. I wouldn't go so far as to say that singlehand racing should be outlawed, but I think that it needs to be far better hedged. The liability of singlehand racing event skippers & their sponsors needs to be spelled out clearly beforehand... maybe they should post a couple million bond to potentially indemnify their victims. IMHO doublehand racing is just as big a challenge and far more seamlike. Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. You're just saying that because you want to ask her out. Don't be shy now! Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. Bull****. If racing cars is a sport, then how can "reliance on equipment" rule out sailing as a sport? As for drugs, how many of the Pats & Eagles are on steroids, do you think? Not even the Olympics follow the Olympic ideal any more. ... As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. That's because he needs an escape more than most. ... Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Agreed. ... Proper sailing is a lifestyle Bull****. Hanging around on boats, bragging & drinking beer, *can* be a lifestyle if you're immature enough to admire that. But it's not sailing. ... The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. heh heh I guess since Joe really does sail, he is less of a "sailor" by your definition. Glad you left me off that list! To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" Depends on your definition of "better." Less crowded? The Crapton, definitely, huddling on his mooring. DSK |
Gilly,
I'm afraid I would have to say that the oceans of the world would be a better place with 1000 Ellens rather than 1000 Neals. Ellen uses modern, up to date Equip. & Tech. She didn't use questionable Hong Kong Sails. She had better weather information and contact with a home base. Ellen is probably a superior sailor than 90% of us on this group and at least a equal to the rest Let's face it Gilly, She has more than proved herself with action rather than words. Her sex doesn't diminish her achievements. She has earned her place in sailing history with deeds Ole Thom |
Of course I am correct with respect to Rule 5 and little Ellen being in violation of it for a period of time exceeding three months. That's the core of the issue and anybody, so far, who has tried to introduce other issues or deny the core issue is in denial based on personal ignorance or prejudice and arguing impotently. It is heartening to see this group has at least one other subscriber who does not allow his ignorance or prejudice to interfere with his clear thinking. I, however, am not as generous as you. I will never congratulate Ellen on her so-called record. Records have to be garnered according to the rules. Records, such as Ellen's, are ill-gotten because they are illegal by definition as explained in my recent post elsewhere. There is no other sport or avocation I can think of where a record is established in blatant violation of the rules of that sport or avocation. Ellen has continuously and blatantly violated Rule 5 of the COLREGS. Her record is invalid because it was garnered illegally. That the sport of sailboat racing condones illegal activity and calls it record- breaking does not bode well for the morals of those engaged therein. CN "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
"DSK" wrote in message Hanging around on boats, bragging & drinking beer, *can* be a lifestyle if you're immature enough to admire that. But it's not sailing. I believe that should read ... "if you're too old to party & sail anymore so you had to buy a stinkpot" Otherwise Doug.... if you're on a sailboat, sailing, bragging and drinking beer.. you're still sailing and not on a trawler. CM |
Thom Stewart wrote:
Let's face it Gilly, She has more than proved herself with action rather than words. Her sex doesn't diminish her achievements. She has earned her place in sailing history with deeds Now that was well said. DSK |
OK Crappy,
Guess I'll have to ask you for YOUR explanation of proper look-out by sight and hearing at all times? Ole Thom |
My definition does not matter as the definition of a proper lookout is
defined by Rule 5, itself. Why can't people understand plain English anymore? Here's your lesson for today. Study it hard and please forego the spirits. Rule 5 Look-out "Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." Be so kind as to allow me to re-state it so even someone who likes pilothouses might understand. "A proper look-out is defined by every vessel at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." I hope this helps. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... OK Crappy, Guess I'll have to ask you for YOUR explanation of proper look-out by sight and hearing at all times? Ole Thom |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message "A proper look-out is defined by every vessel at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." So what if you are sailing on a lake and nobody else is on the lake.... would you have to keep a "proper look-out?.... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? CM |
OzOne wrote in message ... I wonder how many deaf sailors there are? I wonder how many drunk sailors there are? CM |
Capt. Mooron wrote: "Capt. Neal=AE" wrote in message "A proper look-out is defined by every vessel at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." So what if you are sailing on a lake and nobody else is on the lake.... would you have to keep a "proper look-out? Let me answer Mooron. Yes I would ..=2E.. and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. =20 Joe CM |
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Capt. Mooron wrote: "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message "A proper look-out is defined by every vessel at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." So what if you are sailing on a lake and nobody else is on the lake.... would you have to keep a "proper look-out? Let me answer Mooron. Yes I would ..... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Well since there is only one vessel on the lake in this scenario.... would you be updating that apprasial on a constant basis? Would you be maintaining a proper look-out at all times? CM |
Joe wrote:
.... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Exactly. If we condense Rule 5 by removing the specifics of what sort of look-out is to be kept, its true meaning can be discerned... Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out ... so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. IOW, a proper look-out is defined as that which allows the sailor to ascertain "a full appraisal appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision". It is that look-out which is sufficient to acheive this. It is not, as Captain Crow Pie falsely claims, maintaining a constant vigil by constantly spinning in one's cockpit in a perpetual scan of the horizon, or perhaps by growing eyes in the back of one's head in the hope of attaining 360-degree vision. One can only assume that the aforementioned captain does not blink... -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Stupid thing to say, Wally. What if a submarine surfaces right in front
of you ten seconds after you have scanned the horizon and thought all was well so you went below to take a ten-minute nap? Like our resident wannabe barrister, Jeffypoo, loves to say 'Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . . ." CN "Wally" wrote in message . uk... Joe wrote: .... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Exactly. If we condense Rule 5 by removing the specifics of what sort of look-out is to be kept, its true meaning can be discerned... Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out ... so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. IOW, a proper look-out is defined as that which allows the sailor to ascertain "a full appraisal appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision". It is that look-out which is sufficient to acheive this. It is not, as Captain Crow Pie falsely claims, maintaining a constant vigil by constantly spinning in one's cockpit in a perpetual scan of the horizon, or perhaps by growing eyes in the back of one's head in the hope of attaining 360-degree vision. One can only assume that the aforementioned captain does not blink... -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Capt. Mooron wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Capt. Mooron wrote: "Capt. Neal=AE" wrote in message "A proper look-out is defined by every vessel at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision." So what if you are sailing on a lake and nobody else is on the lake.... would you have to keep a "proper look-out? Let me answer Mooron. Yes I would .... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Well since there is only one vessel on the lake in this scenario.... would you be updating that apprasial on a constant basis? Would that be needed to makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision? If so I would, If not....then no. Joe Would you be maintaining=20 a proper look-out at all times? =20 CM |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Stupid thing to say, Wally. What if a submarine surfaces right in front of you ten seconds after you have scanned the horizon and thought all was well so you went below to take a ten-minute nap? How the hell do you keep a watch for submarines? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
By following Rule 5 and all of Rule 5 and not ignoring any of
Rule 5. CN "Wally" wrote in message . uk... How the hell do you keep a watch for submarines? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Your logic and reasoning leaves a lot to be desired, but . . .
I'll say one good thing about you, Wally. You know the right color to paint a sloop. Did you have Ole Thom design those end plates on the keel? CN "Wally" wrote in message . uk... Joe wrote: .... and what would a "proper look-out" be in those conditions? One that makes a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Exactly. If we condense Rule 5 by removing the specifics of what sort of look-out is to be kept, its true meaning can be discerned... Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out ... so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. IOW, a proper look-out is defined as that which allows the sailor to ascertain "a full appraisal appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision". It is that look-out which is sufficient to acheive this. It is not, as Captain Crow Pie falsely claims, maintaining a constant vigil by constantly spinning in one's cockpit in a perpetual scan of the horizon, or perhaps by growing eyes in the back of one's head in the hope of attaining 360-degree vision. One can only assume that the aforementioned captain does not blink... -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Your logic and reasoning leaves a lot to be desired, but . . . Nonsense. Your criteria for 'maintaining a watch at all times' is not humanly possible - it requires 360 degree vision and eyes that don't blink. If you are willing to admit less of a watch than this, then the difference is one of degrees, which lays open the question of: to what degree is less of a watch acceptable? I'll say one good thing about you, Wally. You know the right color to paint a sloop. That's the original gelcoat. Did you have Ole Thom design those end plates on the keel? There are no end plates on the keel, it has an elongated, teardrop-shaped bulb at the bottom. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Yaeh he can paint a sloop, but have you seen his self portrait?
http://www.artbywally.com/art/main/SelfPortrait01.jpg Joe |
It is not *my* criterion. It is the intent and letter of Rule 5
of the COLREGS. They look like end plates in the photo - what little of them I can see. At any rate a teardrop bulb shape is much more efficient than the hack job Ole Thom did to the bottom of his keel. CN "Wally" wrote in message . uk... Capt. Neal® wrote: Your logic and reasoning leaves a lot to be desired, but . . . Nonsense. Your criteria for 'maintaining a watch at all times' is not humanly possible - it requires 360 degree vision and eyes that don't blink. If you are willing to admit less of a watch than this, then the difference is one of degrees, which lays open the question of: to what degree is less of a watch acceptable? I'll say one good thing about you, Wally. You know the right color to paint a sloop. That's the original gelcoat. Did you have Ole Thom design those end plates on the keel? There are no end plates on the keel, it has an elongated, teardrop-shaped bulb at the bottom. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
He looks like a Gaynz clone. Oh my GAWD!
CN "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Yaeh he can paint a sloop, but have you seen his self portrait? http://www.artbywally.com/art/main/SelfPortrait01.jpg Joe |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
It is not *my* criterion. It is the intent and letter of Rule 5 of the COLREGS. Which states that the watch that is kept at all times is sufficient "to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision". Where does it say that the only way to make a full appraisal of the situation is stand in the cockpit, spinning around, with one's eyes out of stalks? They look like end plates in the photo - what little of them I can see. At any rate a teardrop bulb shape is much more efficient than the hack job Ole Thom did to the bottom of his keel. Here's a quickie paste-up of some clearer shots... http://hispaniola.yachtsea.com/KeelShots.jpg -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Joe wrote:
Yaeh he can paint a sloop, but have you seen his self portrait? http://www.artbywally.com/art/main/SelfPortrait01.jpg Joe! Don't tell me you've gone cold on Green Thing?!? I'll give you 20% discount on Self Portrait if you buy today. Go on, you know you want to! -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Looks like a Dufour Arpege keel. Good design!
CN "Wally" wrote in message . uk... Capt. Neal® wrote: It is not *my* criterion. It is the intent and letter of Rule 5 of the COLREGS. Which states that the watch that is kept at all times is sufficient "to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision". Where does it say that the only way to make a full appraisal of the situation is stand in the cockpit, spinning around, with one's eyes out of stalks? They look like end plates in the photo - what little of them I can see. At any rate a teardrop bulb shape is much more efficient than the hack job Ole Thom did to the bottom of his keel. Here's a quickie paste-up of some clearer shots... http://hispaniola.yachtsea.com/KeelShots.jpg -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
OzOne wrote in message ... On 8 Feb 2005 15:51:20 -0800, "Joe" scribbled thusly: Yaeh he can paint a sloop, but have you seen his self portrait? http://www.artbywally.com/art/main/SelfPortrait01.jpg I've felt like that. That's how all you liberals feel after tangling with a conservative like me who knows how to debunk you . . . CN |
"Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. I thought that you were serious until you mentioned Joe! Joe is not a real sailor ..... he races around at 35Kts in FOG Regards Donal -- |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Of course I am correct with respect to Rule 5 and little Ellen being in violation of it for a period of time exceeding three months. Neal, Are you saying that you have never sailed more than 16 hours single handed? I'm truly dissappointed. I was under the impression that you were an accomplished single handed sailor. If you're not an experienced single-handed sailor, then what are you? Regards Donal -- |
That's exactly what he's saying...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Of course I am correct with respect to Rule 5 and little Ellen being in violation of it for a period of time exceeding three months. Neal, Are you saying that you have never sailed more than 16 minutes single handed? I'm truly dissappointed. I was under the impression that you were an accomplished single handed sailor. If you're not an experienced single-handed sailor, then what are you? Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote: "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. I thought that you were serious until you mentioned Joe! Joe is not a real sailor ..... he races around at 35Kts in FOG While racing around at 25kt not 35kts in fog I was a captain, not a sailor. Joe Regards Donal -- |
How much is it?
Joe |
OK Crappy,
Questions that come to mind; that need answering. How much visual impairment is allowed. How much Hearing impairement. Right now I can hear better than you with my aids turned up and without them a lot worst. Is there a cut-off? How about "Cedar Bucket Time" is that in violation? Does a Proper Watch have to be human watch on deck or is Instrument/Electronic acceptable? Does the human monitor need to be on deck? Can they be on the "Cedar Bucket"? Can the human be in the galley making a meal or coffee while monitoring instruments below? Is that breaking the law? Please answer these question because there are more to follow; depending on the answers for the correct answers to the above. I would love to get the straight knowledge of these rules by an expert. Ole Thom |
I'd take 1000000 Ellen's over one Neal any day...
"Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
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I noticed that by day 47 Ellen had developed a beehive.
"katysails" wrote in message ... I'd take 1000000 Ellen's over one Neal any day... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
She doesn't ahve enough hair to have a beehive...
"Gilligan" wrote in message nk.net... I noticed that by day 47 Ellen had developed a beehive. "katysails" wrote in message ... I'd take 1000000 Ellen's over one Neal any day... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
Don't get jealous Katy. No one's beehive is as nice as yours.
"katysails" wrote in message ... She doesn't ahve enough hair to have a beehive... "Gilligan" wrote in message nk.net... I noticed that by day 47 Ellen had developed a beehive. "katysails" wrote in message ... I'd take 1000000 Ellen's over one Neal any day... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
gee thanls...
"Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Don't get jealous Katy. No one's beehive is as nice as yours. "katysails" wrote in message ... She doesn't ahve enough hair to have a beehive... "Gilligan" wrote in message nk.net... I noticed that by day 47 Ellen had developed a beehive. "katysails" wrote in message ... I'd take 1000000 Ellen's over one Neal any day... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... Congratulations to Ellen for setting a new World Record. This person bettered the previous record by a margin of about 2%, a true accomplishment by almost any measure. To the thinking person, this accomplishment raises several issues. First is the issue of sportmanship. Athletes are routinely penalized for unsportmanslike conduct and can suffer lifetime disbarment for other actions. Take Pete Rose for example, just for betting. Ellen has put herself and others at risk, potentially violated international law and treaties - where are the sanctions? Secondly is the potential issue of fraud. If a woman took first place in men's weightlifting in the Olympics, or outran the men in the 100 meter dash you can bet she'd have a cotton swab jammed in her mouth a for chromosome testing. If Ellen's feat is so grand and so remarkable even for a man, let alone a woman, any credible sports sanctioning institute would be testing away. Thirdly is the regard of sailing as a sport. The heavy reliance on equipment, sponsorship (she was sailing a billboard if you failed to notice) and possibly use of stimulants overweighs physical performance. This simply says sailing is not a true sport. As the good Captain has maintained sailing for most of you is an escape. Ellens escapade falls into the realm of entertainment and is a commercial enterprise. Proper sailing is a lifestyle, not an event. The few here who execute it with any grace are Captain Neal, Simple Simon and to a lesser degree, Joe. To prove this to yourselves, beyond a trace of doubt, ask yourself this question: "Would the oceans of the world be a better place to sail if it had 1000 Captains Neals on it or 1000 Ellens on it?" In your heart you know he's right! Gilligan |
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