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Donal February 7th 05 10:30 PM

Neal - It's time to admit that you were wrong!!
 
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




Regards


Donal
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Joe February 7th 05 10:32 PM

Wrong


Donal February 8th 05 12:09 AM


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong


Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal
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JG February 8th 05 01:04 AM

Nah, I feel sorry for him.

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"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong


Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal
--






Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 01:17 AM


"Donal" wrote in message ...
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!



I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.

Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN

Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 01:35 AM



Listen to Joe, you PUTZ! He's right and you're wrong.

Read it and weep:

Ellen MacArthur's record bid ends in disaster

Updated 24 February 2003, 13.12


British sailor Ellen MacArthur has had to abandon her
attempt to become the fastest person to sail around the world.
She pulled out of the Jules Verne Challenge when the thirty-nine
metre mast on her boat snapped into three pieces.

It came crashing down onto one of the hulls of the Kingfisher 2
- making a hole in it. Luckily none of the 14-man crew was hurt.

Before the mast broke Kingfisher 2 was on day 26 and almost
a whole day ahead of the nearest competitor.

Ellen had been trying to beat the current record of
64 days, eight hours, 37 minutes and 24 seconds set in 2002.
"To watch all that work drift away was so painful", she said.

Poor Donal - wrong again.

CN



"Donal" wrote in message ...
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




Regards


Donal
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Wally February 8th 05 01:38 AM

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Updated 24 February 2003, 13.12


Poor Donal - wrong again.


Poor Neal - a self-proclaimed 'Master Mariner' who can't operate a simple
chronometer.

Bwahahahaha!!!


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www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk



Jeff Morris February 8th 05 01:40 AM

So are you claiming that you stay up all night maintaining a proper
watch? Being on a mooring does not relieve you of the responsibility of
obeying Rule 5.


Capt. Neal® wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message
...

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.
Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN


Joe February 8th 05 01:41 AM


Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong


Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal



Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
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Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 01:49 AM

Jeff,

If you weren't such a first class idiot you would read the Rules
and note that Rule 5 comes under the heading of Steering and Sailing
Rules.

What don't you understand about:

Part B - Steering and Sailing Rules

A vessel anchored or moored is not underway so neither is it steering nor is it sailing by defintion.

3(i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
So are you claiming that you stay up all night maintaining a proper watch? Being on a mooring does not relieve you of the
responsibility of obeying Rule 5.


Capt. Neal® wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message ...

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.
Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN



Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 01:52 AM

And poor Wally can't follow a thread. I realize the report of Ellen's failure
is a year old but what it does is give the record of the fastest person to
sail around the world and it is NOT little Ellen like Donal claimed.

Had he claimed little dyke Ellen is the fastest person to single-hand
around the world he would have been correct but he didn't so he
wasn't and neither are you, you little weenie!

CN


"Wally" wrote in message k...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Updated 24 February 2003, 13.12


Poor Donal - wrong again.


Poor Neal - a self-proclaimed 'Master Mariner' who can't operate a simple
chronometer.

Bwahahahaha!!!


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk




katysails February 8th 05 02:23 AM

A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong


Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal



Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
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Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 04:13 AM

This is a serious discussion. We don't need comments from the
Peanut Gallery or the learning disabled.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal



Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
--





JG February 8th 05 04:17 AM

Joey no speak English goodly.

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal



Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
--







Joe February 8th 05 02:24 PM


katysails wrote:
A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...



A person rode on a crewed boat around the world faster than Ellen did.

Got it Dolt?

Ellen is not the fastest person to sail around the world.
Ellen is the fastest person to sail solo around the world Katy.

Big Difference dunce.

Joe






"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal



Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world

then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
--




Jeff Morris February 8th 05 04:48 PM

Actually, we don't know how fast Ellen is, we only know how fast her
boat was for the last 71 days. Dodge Morgan sailed around the world
slower, but he may be a faster person!


Joe wrote:
katysails wrote:

A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...




A person rode on a crewed boat around the world faster than Ellen did.

Got it Dolt?

Ellen is not the fastest person to sail around the world.
Ellen is the fastest person to sail solo around the world Katy.

Big Difference dunce.

Joe






"Joe" wrote in message
groups.com...

Donal wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
legroups.com...

Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have

the

courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal


Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world


then

indeed you would have been correct.

Joe

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Jeff Morris February 8th 05 06:38 PM

Wrong, Putz. There's nothing in the rule that says you only need to
keep watch while underway. Perhaps you're claiming that your boat does
not qualify as a "vessel"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:
Jeff,

If you weren't such a first class idiot you would read the Rules
and note that Rule 5 comes under the heading of Steering and Sailing
Rules.

What don't you understand about:

Part B - Steering and Sailing Rules

A vessel anchored or moored is not underway so neither is it steering
nor is it sailing by defintion.

3(i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast
to the shore, or aground.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

So are you claiming that you stay up all night maintaining a proper
watch? Being on a mooring does not relieve you of the responsibility
of obeying Rule 5.


Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message
...

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.
Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN




Capt. Neal® February 8th 05 07:08 PM

Your wrong!

Whereas, the section of the Rules under which Rule 5 occurs
is Section B which is Steering and Sailing Rules,

And, whereas, any vessel that is anchored or made fast to the shore
is not steering or sailing by definition. (look at the definition of
'under way' in the Rules)

It follows, Rule five does not apply to anchored, docked, or moored
vessels.

Simple logic and irrefutable because of it.


CN




"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Wrong, Putz. There's nothing in the rule that says you only need to keep watch while underway. Perhaps you're claiming that your
boat does not qualify as a "vessel"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:
Jeff,

If you weren't such a first class idiot you would read the Rules
and note that Rule 5 comes under the heading of Steering and Sailing
Rules.

What don't you understand about:

Part B - Steering and Sailing Rules

A vessel anchored or moored is not underway so neither is it steering nor is it sailing by defintion.

3(i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...

So are you claiming that you stay up all night maintaining a proper watch? Being on a mooring does not relieve you of the
responsibility of obeying Rule 5.


Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message ...

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!




I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.
Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN



Jeff Morris February 8th 05 08:10 PM

Nice try Neal. You always try to win argument with with you call
"simple logic." The simple truth is that had they intended what you
claim, they easily could have added that Section B applies to "Vessels
underway," but they didn't. You must be aware that there are a number
of cases where an anchored vessel was held liable for not maintaining a
lookout.


Capt. Neal® wrote:
Your wrong!

Whereas, the section of the Rules under which Rule 5 occurs
is Section B which is Steering and Sailing Rules,

And, whereas, any vessel that is anchored or made fast to the shore
is not steering or sailing by definition. (look at the definition of
'under way' in the Rules)

It follows, Rule five does not apply to anchored, docked, or moored
vessels.

Simple logic and irrefutable because of it.


CN




"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

Wrong, Putz. There's nothing in the rule that says you only need to
keep watch while underway. Perhaps you're claiming that your boat
does not qualify as a "vessel"?


Capt. Neal® wrote:

Jeff,

If you weren't such a first class idiot you would read the Rules
and note that Rule 5 comes under the heading of Steering and Sailing
Rules.

What don't you understand about:

Part B - Steering and Sailing Rules

A vessel anchored or moored is not underway so neither is it steering
nor is it sailing by defintion.

3(i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made
fast to the shore, or aground.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

So are you claiming that you stay up all night maintaining a proper
watch? Being on a mooring does not relieve you of the
responsibility of obeying Rule 5.


Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message
...

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!





I disagree. I would say more accurately that Little Ellen has become
the latest criminal to sail around the world. She's no sailor or she
would not knowingly violate Rule 5 of the COLREGS.

In any other sport if a competitor broke the laws that governed
his or her sport do you think they would be allowed to keep any
record.
Just imagine if an Olympic athlete failed his drug test. His record
would be taken away. Just think if a NASCAR driver ignored the
yellow flag and passed his way into first place under the yellow,
he would be disqualified.

Why is it all you fools rejoice when some little dyke violates
the COLREGS. She has no record in my opinion unless and until
she operates legally.


CN



Donal February 9th 05 01:22 AM


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Had he claimed little dyke Ellen is the fastest person to single-hand
around the world he would have been correct but he didn't so he
wasn't and neither are you, you little weenie!


I'm pleased to see that you admit that Ellen is the fastest person to sail
single-handed around the world.

I suspect that the source of your irritation is that Americans have never
achieved much in *real* sailing.

You only do well in competitions where the skipper can sleep in a hotel room
every night - backed by enormous quantities of sponsers' dollars!

I'm not surprised that you consider yourself to be a real sailor.... when
you only compare yourself with Joe and Jeff. I won't insult you by
suggesting that you compare yourself with Max, Jon,BB or Bob.



Regards


Donal
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katysails February 9th 05 03:20 AM

Then you;'d better butt out, hadn't you?

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
This is a serious discussion. We don't need comments from the
Peanut Gallery or the learning disabled.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message
...
A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have
the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal


Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
--




katysails February 9th 05 03:21 AM

Only in your warped mind...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
A person is solo, dolt...
Some people is more than one...



A person rode on a crewed boat around the world faster than Ellen did.

Got it Dolt?

Ellen is not the fastest person to sail around the world.
Ellen is the fastest person to sail solo around the world Katy.

Big Difference dunce.

Joe






"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wrong

Yup!!! Wrong ..... sooo wrong that I don't think that he'll have
the
courage to post here ever again.

Jonathan will be very pleased.



Regards


Donal


Yelp wrong. If you had said fastest SOLO sailor around the world

then
indeed you would have been correct.

Joe
--





Capt. Mooron February 9th 05 11:54 AM


"Donal" wrote in message

I'm not surprised that you consider yourself to be a real sailor.... when
you only compare yourself with Joe and Jeff. I won't insult you by
suggesting that you compare yourself with Max, Jon,BB or Bob.


Way to go Donal..... that's a seven face slap!! Well Done!

CM



Scott Vernon February 9th 05 01:34 PM


"Donal" wrote in message
...
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!



Yeah but, can she cook?

Scotty



JG February 9th 05 05:11 PM

Apparently so... at least for 71 days.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the world!!!



Yeah but, can she cook?

Scotty





Scott Vernon February 10th 05 12:03 AM

Did she depart with all stores for the whole trip? Was anything, food
or equipment, 'dropped off' to her along the way?

SV


"JG" wrote in message
...
Apparently so... at least for 71 days.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...
Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the

world!!!


Yeah but, can she cook?

Scotty







Jeff Morris February 10th 05 12:14 AM

I believe she carried all stores onboard. Water was made with a
watermaker. She had a small single burner stove for heating water, not
really for cooking.

From the website:

FOOD & WATER

Ellen will take a variety of freeze-dried food for the duration of the
record attempt - the freeze-dried food makes a big saving on weight to
help keep B&Q as light as possible for the attempt. In addition, to the
freeze-dried main meals, Ellen will take a selection of energy-boosting
‘grab’ snacks to supplement her energy intake. In total, Ellen will
consume up to 5,000 calories per day which would be well in excess of
twice her daily normal intake, to provide the necessary ‘fuel’ for her
energy expenditure on this punishing voyage.


Typical main meals:

Organic Spuds w/Spinach
& Cheese
Organic Couscous &
Lentil Curry
Organic Alfredo Pasta
Spaghetti Bolognaise
Vegetable Curry
Chicken and Cashew Nuts

Snack list:

20 x fruit snacks
15 x dried fruit
18 x nut mix
40 x packet of crisps
72 x muesli bars
12 x packets of crackers/
oatcakes
14 x cheese minis
6 x packets of cheese slices
6 x bag of sweets
24 x Werthers tubes
60 x chocolate bars
20 x sesame snap bars
11 x packets of chewing gum


Scott Vernon wrote:
Did she depart with all stores for the whole trip? Was anything, food
or equipment, 'dropped off' to her along the way?

SV


"JG" wrote in message
...

Apparently so... at least for 71 days.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
.. .

Ellen has just become the fastest person to sail around the


world!!!


Yeah but, can she cook?

Scotty







Donal February 10th 05 12:50 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ORmOd.16275$K54.13038@edtnps84...

"Donal" wrote in message

I'm not surprised that you consider yourself to be a real sailor....

when
you only compare yourself with Joe and Jeff. I won't insult you by
suggesting that you compare yourself with Max, Jon,BB or Bob.


Way to go Donal..... that's a seven face slap!! Well Done!


Thank you!

Donal
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