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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:NRuMd.108895 Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being design. Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit of both. It's a misnomer..... vector based and you provide the coordinates for it to plot.. 2D or 3D. Yes you can design from scratch.... but try and import a rastar based graphic to incorporate and your **** out of luck. It's utilzed in engineering.. not graphics. Usually. :-) I've done artwork masters for a guy that makes things in wax - I start by importing a raster image (scans of hand-drawn stuff) and tracing polylines around all the important bits to establish a base before working up the final thing. (The masters are then photographed as negatives, reduced, and used to make etched metal bucks, from which rubber moulds are cast...) |
does the cdi mentioned mean "capacitive discharge ignition" OR "common-rail
direct injection"? is there such a thing as a diesel with spark ignition? Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IGXLd.91973$Ob.50687@edtnps84... I understand they don't have them in the USA... is this true?? http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cf...1/smart/1.html |
"Wally" wrote in message Usually. :-) I've done artwork masters for a guy that makes things in wax - I start by importing a raster image (scans of hand-drawn stuff) and tracing polylines around all the important bits to establish a base before working up the final thing. (The masters are then photographed as negatives, reduced, and used to make etched metal bucks, from which rubber moulds are cast...) Excellent! Yeah like I said... you input coordinates and AutoCAD will render it... it's just to meticulous and specific a program to be utilized for general graphics applications. I do a lot of digitizing of hand drawn work myself..... the most intense was a drawing in which I had to digitize individual hairs on a Muskox. It was about 40 hours of work to complete. CM |
"Wally" wrote in message The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for 'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain 'design' tools, it contains 'drafting' tools. I concur! Good design is about finding solutions to address specific problems. Good drafting is about expressing or describing those solutions with sufficent competence for them to be implemented. Yes! There are plenty of good designs that are badly drawn - because there are good designers that can't drive CAD (or draw) to save themselves. Exactly! Marty... listen to Wally... he knows what he's talking about! CM |
wrote in message Nope. The problem is that the pitman arm was designed and built entirely wrong. There is no permanent fix, and you can't "adjust it out". They fail after a very short life. They ALL have the problem. Oh Bubba.... they can indeed be fixed! Don't be so negative all the time. CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote the most intense was a drawing in which I had to digitize individual hairs on a Muskox. why? |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Capt. Mooron" wrote the most intense was a drawing in which I had to digitize individual hairs on a Muskox. why? The hairs had to be coloured to reflect the colour original. I had to not only do the individual hairs but seperate the colour profiles on overlays. Each hair ... or each group of hairs on any given seperation could be altered in form or colour. The horns alone were on six seperate layers.... it's what the customer wanted. CM |
wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:39:58 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: wrote in message Nope. The problem is that the pitman arm was designed and built entirely wrong. There is no permanent fix, and you can't "adjust it out". They fail after a very short life. They ALL have the problem. Oh Bubba.... they can indeed be fixed! Don't be so negative all the time. CM The only "fix" is to cut off the entire front suspension along with the steering gear, and graft on a completely different one. That can hardly be called a "fix" on a vehicle that is worth a couple hundred dollars at most. Man are you ever STUNNED! CM |
wrote: On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:39:58 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: wrote in message Nope. The problem is that the pitman arm was designed and built entirely wrong. There is no permanent fix, and you can't "adjust it out". They fail after a very short life. They ALL have the problem. Oh Bubba.... they can indeed be fixed! Don't be so negative all the time. CM The only "fix" is to cut off the entire front suspension along with the steering gear, and graft on a completely different one. That can hardly be called a "fix" on a vehicle that is worth a couple hundred dollars at most. BB What a dope.. New outer and inner tie rods, king pins and bushing kits will fix 99% of all steerings slack. If you need it can can re-build the steering gearbox. http://www.macsautoparts.com. Seeing how my 1961 only has 53K original miles and the steering is perfect.. I have nothing to worry about. Stick to something ya know about bob, like changing dirty diapers. Joe |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:x2KMd.3304
Excellent! Yeah like I said... you input coordinates and AutoCAD will render it... it's just to meticulous and specific a program to be utilized for general graphics applications. I do a lot of digitizing of hand drawn work myself..... the most intense was a drawing in which I had to digitize individual hairs on a Muskox. It was about 40 hours of work to complete. I think I'd go bananas if I tried drawing an oxful of hairs! My biggest 'lots of the same' job was over two million yellow dots, but they weren't a trace of hand drawings. |
wrote in message You are clearly in over your head, schmoe. Have someone turn the wheel back and forth while you observe the pitman arm. This is a very well known problem on these ****boxes. The parts you are replacing represent a tiny part of the problem compared to the pitman arm issue. It's an old piece of crap anyway. I can afford to buy a real vehicle, so it's only a problem for you. Take your local junkyard owner some flowers, and try and stay on his good side. Oh Bubba..... why are you always so negative? Is it because you suffer from incontinence? CM |
wrote in message Negative? I have a very sunny disposition. You just don't know me very well. So in effect.... the bitter, pettiness and offensive drivel is about as good as it gets in your life?? Depression has a habit of evoking those tendencies..... Heh Bubba.. it's only 4 more years! Maybe your one vote will be the tie breaker next election... and maybe I'll win the lottery! Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa... CM |
Common rail
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You could buy yoour sugar momma a present this Valentine day and maybe
she will let you use her boat for a day. Like I said you drive a Subaru, loaded with diapers I'm sure. Joe |
A wise old man once said, '' When you're rich enough, you can drive an
old car''. Scotty "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:fqOMd.3412$rB6.856@edtnps91... wrote in message You are clearly in over your head, schmoe. Have someone turn the wheel back and forth while you observe the pitman arm. This is a very well known problem on these ****boxes. The parts you are replacing represent a tiny part of the problem compared to the pitman arm issue. It's an old piece of crap anyway. I can afford to buy a real vehicle, so it's only a problem for you. Take your local junkyard owner some flowers, and try and stay on his good side. Oh Bubba..... why are you always so negative? Is it because you suffer from incontinence? CM |
OzOne wrote in message ... On 4 Feb 2005 14:06:36 -0800, "Joe" scribbled thusly: Like I said you drive a Subaru, Joe Hmmm, what's wrong with a Subaru? BWaHahahahahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah ahah ha |
Hey Joe, there used to be a guy running one of those at the drags here
(Maple Grove) . Big block, full blown drag engine sitting in the bed. Headers pointing straight up. Would do wheelie down the whole 1/4 mile. had a pic somewhere. Scotty "Joe" wrote I can afford to properly restore any vehicle I chose. Might put a 351 windsor in the dog house. Mid engine 400 hp 2000lb rocket, might need wheelie bars! Joe |
Scott Vernon wrote: Hey Joe, there used to be a guy running one of those at the drags here (Maple Grove) . Big block, full blown drag engine sitting in the bed. Headers pointing straight up. Would do wheelie down the whole 1/4 mile. had a pic somewhere. http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/GPC/DR/WS/LRW7001A.jpg Actually thats a dodge a-100, but several ford econolines are set up the same way. The 351W will fit AS-IS. Several have 429's in the bed for wheelie trucks. I prefer all original. My Bro trucks have been in serveral major Country Videos. Like that one country video called "Some Beach" Joe Scotty "Joe" wrote I can afford to properly restore any vehicle I chose. Might put a 351 windsor in the dog house. Mid engine 400 hp 2000lb rocket, might need wheelie bars! Joe |
wrote in message Age of the car is not the factor, dopey. I have a few old cars, but they are not ****boxes. Schmoe thinks an old, worn out Econoline is some sort of classic just because it is old. It's not. It's a ****box. It was when it was new, and the ensuing 40+ years haven't improved it any. I sense intense bitterness and overwhelming pettiness..... Bubba is that you?? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa CM |
wrote in message ??? Who the hell are you talking too? I'm pretty sure Neal wears diapers. Are you talking to Neal? Man Oh Man Bubba... you really should see a specialist about this Neal Fixation you are suffering!! CM |
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:15:16 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap: A wise old man once said, '' When you're rich enough, you can drive an old car''. That was Jack Benny. But I think he said, "When you're cheap enough, you can drive an old car." Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
OzOne wrote in message Bwaaahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaaa! Poor Scooter, never even sat in a Subaru, has absolutely no idea! I'm certain he's picked several out of his grill with a crowbar.... Subaru... Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa!! What a POS! It's like a Lada... CM |
OzOne wrote in message Bwaaahahhahahahahahahhahaaa! Yeah, whatever. No sense arguing with an idiot. Subaru... That don't Impreza me much.... Bwahahahahahaaaaa! CM |
Jeepers creepers
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:00:57 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message Bwaaahahhahahahahahahhahaaa! Yeah, whatever. No sense arguing with an idiot. Subaru... That don't Impreza me much.... Bwahahahahahaaaaa! CM Now you're taking Liberty s Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"Wally" wrote
The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for 'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain 'design' tools, it contains 'drafting' tools. Capt. Mooron wrote: I concur! Well, you're both wrong... or maybe it's just that you've been using the cheap set of AutoCad tools. AutoCad will do a large number of design calculations including area, volume, centers of mass, and moments of inertia. It will also extract a bill of materials Good design is about finding solutions to address specific problems. Good drafting is about expressing or describing those solutions with sufficent competence for them to be implemented. Well stated. There are plenty of good designs that are badly drawn - because there are good designers that can't drive CAD (or draw) to save themselves. And are either too arrogant or too poor to hire a good draftsman. Regards Doug King |
"DSK" wrote in message Well, you're both wrong... or maybe it's just that you've been using the cheap set of AutoCad tools. AutoCad will do a large number of design calculations including area, volume, centers of mass, and moments of inertia. It will also extract a bill of materials Oh **** off Doug..... nothing stated was in any way wrong! If you need to elevate yourself due to some inferiority complex... which seems to be the case... so be it... but do try to come up with a better methodology than stating we are wrong and then substantiating what we just said. CM |
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Oh **** off Doug..... nothing stated was in any way wrong! If you need to elevate yourself due to some inferiority complex... which seems to be the case... so be it... but do try to come up with a better methodology than stating we are wrong and then substantiating what we just said. ??? Oh, please excuse me. It seemed to me that you were saying that AutoCad did not include any *design* tools, which is wrong. Always remember, never forget... some people have inferiority complexes, others are just plain inferior. DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message Oh, please excuse me. It seemed to me that you were saying that AutoCad did not include any *design* tools, which is wrong. Well Well well... seems you started calling me fool without reading the thread.... here Doug.. I'll help you out... this is what I wrote : It's a misnomer..... vector based and you provide the coordinates for it to plot.. 2D or 3D. Yes you can design from scratch.... but try and import a rastar based graphic to incorporate and your **** out of luck. It's utilzed in engineering.. not graphics ...and Wally's reply is correct as well... : The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for 'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain 'design' tools, it contains 'drafting' tools. There is nothing false in that statement.... autoCad is a drafting application Always remember, never forget... some people have inferiority complexes, others are just plain inferior. ....and some like you suffer both simultaneously. CM |
Capt. Mooron wrote:
There is nothing false in that statement.... autoCad is a drafting application I guess figuring centers of mass and IMM or IXX is a drafting job. Silly me. DSK |
DSK wrote:
Well, you're both wrong... or maybe it's just that you've been using the cheap set of AutoCad tools. What, exactly, is "the cheap set of AutoCad tools"? AutoCad will do a large number of design calculations including area, volume, centers of mass, and moments of inertia. AutoCAD is a drafting tool - it's used to produce drawings so that people can make things. It's far too generic to be truly useful as a design tool in the sense that you're alluding to. Contrast it with the software that's used to simulate electronic circuits - they are true design tools because they allow you to test and iterate complex designs to the point where the result can be manufactured and pretty-much function as intended. You draw a schematic, and it does output analysis and PCB routing for you. To acheive the same in AutoCAD requires a far greater degree of effort and input from the user, and stock AutoCAD just isn't used in that way in any proliferate sense at all. For AutoCAD to reach similar effectiveness in a real-world situation, it needs to be enhanced with the various AutoDesk and 3rd-party add-ons that do far more sophisticated calculations and procedures (ie, vertical enough for their intended purpose). It will also extract a bill of materials Generating a BoM has nothing to do with designing something - design is when you start with the problem and come up with a solution. The BoM comes after you have the solution designed and want to build it. I've never met anyone who actually uses AutoCAD's BoM - it's too cumbersome and requires the user to draw in a specific way that's conducive to making the BoM work. AutoCAD is a great drafting tool, but it's a **** database and a **** scheduling tool. By and large, people just don't draw like that, mainly because they don't have time to - it's less hassle to schedule semi-manually (spreadsheets and the like), or to generate BoMs from vertical tools designed for the purpose. For instance, I could use AutoCAD to find out exactly what size the windows are in a building, but to get a parts list, those sizes are entered into a BoM tool provided by the maker of the particular window system - tell it the size, how many panes, opening lights, etc, and it'll spit out a list of everything to the last nut and bolt, inlcuding a cutting list to be fed straight to the saw that chops up the extruded ally profiles that will become the window frames. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Wally wrote:
What, exactly, is "the cheap set of AutoCad tools"? The minimum installed module set that doesn't do any of the fancy math for design work. AutoCad will do a large number of design calculations including area, volume, centers of mass, and moments of inertia. AutoCAD is a drafting tool - it's used to produce drawings so that people can make things. Yep ... It's far too generic to be truly useful as a design tool in the sense that you're alluding to. That depends what what you're designing. Certainly no engineer is going to sit down in front of AutoCad and whack out the parameters for whatever he's thinking about. That's a job for pencil & paper at first & then some specific math-heavy program. But the bottom line is that AutoCad *does* include the tools to both ensure that a given design is within design parameters, that it's physically possible, and tweak it into better shape. ... Contrast it with the software that's used to simulate electronic circuits - they are true design tools because they allow you to test and iterate complex designs to the point where the result can be manufactured and pretty-much function as intended. You draw a schematic, and it does output analysis and PCB routing for you. Sure. Did I say that AutoCad was for designing circuits? But it can be used to design all sorts of other stuff. To acheive the same in AutoCAD requires a far greater degree of effort and input from the user, and stock AutoCAD just isn't used in that way in any proliferate sense at all. For AutoCAD to reach similar effectiveness in a real-world situation, it needs to be enhanced with the various AutoDesk and 3rd-party add-ons that do far more sophisticated calculations and procedures (ie, vertical enough for their intended purpose). That's true, too... and it's a difficult program to work IMHO. Probably because I'm too old and finicky, and not enough interested to do the hard work of learning it thoroughly. For instance, I could use AutoCAD to find out exactly what size the windows are in a building, but to get a parts list, those sizes are entered into a BoM tool provided by the maker of the particular window system - tell it the size, how many panes, opening lights, etc, and it'll spit out a list of everything to the last nut and bolt, inlcuding a cutting list to be fed straight to the saw that chops up the extruded ally profiles that will become the window frames. It's AutoCad, not AutoCam or AutoCAE. I still say that it includes some design tools but I understand your objections. You get full credit for making much more intelligent & meaningful contribution to the subject than Mooron. DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message .. . Capt. Mooron wrote: There is nothing false in that statement.... autoCad is a drafting application I guess figuring centers of mass and IMM or IXX is a drafting job. Silly me. How would you go about it without the application? Now think hard. Is design/drafting involved?... are there calculations? .... are there parameters? Take your time Doug. CM |
"DSK" wrote in message You get full credit for making much more intelligent & meaningful contribution to the subject than Mooron. Yeah Doug...you're right... maybe I should have gone into a detailed explanation of Eagle Point and the basics of highway design for you. CM |
Mooron is such a child that he can't ever, ever admit he's wrong. Maybe
he'll tell us again how he's right and the NIH and NASA are wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message .. . Capt. Mooron wrote: Oh **** off Doug..... nothing stated was in any way wrong! If you need to elevate yourself due to some inferiority complex... which seems to be the case... so be it... but do try to come up with a better methodology than stating we are wrong and then substantiating what we just said. ??? Oh, please excuse me. It seemed to me that you were saying that AutoCad did not include any *design* tools, which is wrong. Always remember, never forget... some people have inferiority complexes, others are just plain inferior. DSK |
you guys are splitting hairs
design decisions are made thruout the DESIGN process, which includes drafting. drafting is the working out of design ideas it is design at a specific scale of resolution. what would you call this? http://www.stereolithography.com/ gf. |
gonefishiing wrote:
you guys are splitting hairs I agree, I was just pointing out that AutoCad *does* include design tools. They may not be the best or most effective tools, but they're there. what would you call this? http://www.stereolithography.com/ PFM DSK |
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