Winter Weather; Bellingham
 

A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

Better get some bubblers out there...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

I hope you winterized the head and thru-hulls. Cracked pipes, heads and ruptured hoses can
sink your vessel. Get some antifreeze and pour it into the toilet and pump some of it into the
plumbing. Make sure the raw water in your motor has some antifreeze in it, too. When you
finish that project get a little antifreeze in the form of rum into your blood stream.

I don't have to worry about things freezing up in Florida but I do feel sorry for all you
lamers who live in unsuitable-for-sailing places that do freeze up.

CN

"Clothing is wonderful, but let them go naked for a while, at least the
kids. Water is necessary, and then generators, and then food, and then
clothes." -- Teresa Heinz Kerry instructs volunteers packing donations
for hurricane relief efforts in the Caribbean.


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

Neal,

Thanks for the advice and you did hit on on thing I overlooked. The raw
water cooling exchanger! I do have heat on the boat and hope it was
enough. I usually hang a light bulb on it

The Temperature is going up. It will be at about freezing tonight but
may even get above by morning. We got a HUGE PINEAPPLE EXPRESS coming in
on us and it will be weeks before we'll see temperatures in the
thirties.

Ole Thom

Ahoy Thom, last week it was in the 60's here, now it's in the 20's and
it snowed last night. Only an inch, but enough to cover everything
outside. Nothing to do but keep the fire stoked and snuggle. ;)


Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger
pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

Scott Vernon wrote:
Ahoy Thom, last week it was in the 60's here, now it's in the 20's
and
it snowed last night. Only an inch, but enough to cover everything
outside. Nothing to do but keep the fire stoked and snuggle. ;)



Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck. Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

Joe





Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger
pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

"Joe" wrote


Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

Lisa is getting the cake now.


And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck.


Yup, don't know why anybody would 'live' up there.


Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

I've been in Texas in the Summer. You can have it.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Thom Stewart wrote:
....snip...
The Temperature is going up. It will be at about freezing tonight but
may even get above by morning. We got a HUGE PINEAPPLE EXPRESS coming
in
on us and it will be weeks before we'll see temperatures in the
thirties.

Well, it's back to grey, drizzly, and 50ish degrees today. I sure froze
the last coupla weeks; but I did enjoy the sunshine.

Frank in Everett

Texas in the summer is great! I will take it anyday over dealing with
the yankee cold.

Joe

Katy is a cold maiden. They do cryogenic storage in her
bra. Even in the summer, her bedroom stays well below
freezing.

Mr. Sails suffers from year-round chronic frostbite.

CN


"Joe" wrote
And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck. Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

Did you see the snow in Hawaii?

That would be a blast, Snowski in the morning, surf in the evening.
Joe

How right you are. People who live north of the Mason-Dixon
Line are idiots. How ludicrous it is that they claim to be sailors
while living where sailing cannot be done a good part of the
year.

You have the right idea, Joe. A good steel boat, a warm climate,
a hot woman and a Captain-is-the-master attitude.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message ups.com...
Texas in the summer is great! I will take it anyday over dealing with
the yankee cold.

Joe

Hey Frank,

How the winds down there? Blowing pretty good up here. Force 4 to F5 but
gusting up to force 6. Blowing everything off the house but the taxes.

Anyway, they're warm. Looking at the map; we could maybe have a couple
of days of this.

How's the flooding down there. Water getting high up here but still only
watch warnings.

Ole Thom

Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
How right you are. People who live north of the Mason-Dixon
Line are idiots. How ludicrous it is that they claim to be sailors
while living where sailing cannot be done a good part of the
year.


It's insane, But hey someone's gotta do it. Just not going to be me.
I could make more money if I live in the Detroit or Holland Michigan
area but it aint worth it.

You have the right idea, Joe. A good steel boat,

Yes I like RedCloud, I was happy to find her. She will be safe sound
and sea worthy as long as I am alive.

a warm climate,

Indeed, why would anyone want to suffer an life huddled in a cave
around a fire shivering at the thought of sal****er spray covering
yourself.


a hot woman and a Captain-is-the-master attitude.


Well we are both captains, masters, cooks, galley hands, deckhands,
oilers,ect. To be married and claim the Captain is master only works if
your married to another Captain.

I must admit I do most the bilge and engine room work.

But its a great trade off to be able to sleep soundly knowing RedCloud
is on-course and safe.

Life could only be better if I could get out on the hook like you live,
yet still be able to maintain and continue my career. Your a lucky man
Capt Neal!

Hopefully soon the tech will be affordable and reliable enough to live
that dream.

Joe





CN


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Texas in the summer is great! I will take it anyday over dealing
with
the yankee cold.=20
=20
Joe

Thom Stewart wrote:
Hey Frank,
How the winds down there? Blowing pretty good up here. Force 4 to F5
but
gusting up to force 6. Blowing everything off the house but the
taxes.
Anyway, they're warm. Looking at the map; we could maybe have a
couple
of days of this.
How's the flooding down there. Water getting high up here but still
only
watch warnings.

Hey, Ole Thom,

Winds have been pretty blustery this morning. We're about a mile from
the water and up on a hill in "urban" Everett; but my in-laws live on
Priest Point on the Tulalip Res. and we're watching their house while
they're out of town. Always hafta keep a weather eye there cuz they're
right at the high tide mark.

Our house has been rumbling badly cuz they're re-doing the sewer lines
in the alley and moving lots of heavy construction equipment, digging,
etc. right behind the house today. That plus the wind was sure a
wake-up call this am.

Instead of suffering through all the mess here, I should go down to the
Seattle boatshow or over to Whidbey to look at those auction boats Joe
cited.

Take it easy up there!

Frank

It's 5 here right now and dropping to below 0 tonight....nothing to do but
contemplate frostbite...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Thom, last week it was in the 60's here, now it's in the 20's and
it snowed last night. Only an inch, but enough to cover everything
outside. Nothing to do but keep the fire stoked and snuggle. ;)


Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger
pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

Yeah...it does....I had to walk over to the other facility today to pick up
a bunch of stuff...thought my knees were going to freeze off....if I'd known
I was going to have to spend some time outdoors, I wouldn't have worn a
skirt but just have worn longjohns and some slacks....it is so cold the road
salt won't work so it's a good thing there's only a bit of ice and
snow...the deer are huddled out in back of our Russian olive bushes...I've
been throwing scraps of veggies and fruit out for them and threw out some
cracked corn....they're not even moving off when I put the dog out...the
swans even climbed out iof the river and have been sitting in the rushes...

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scott Vernon wrote:
Ahoy Thom, last week it was in the 60's here, now it's in the 20's
and
it snowed last night. Only an inch, but enough to cover everything
outside. Nothing to do but keep the fire stoked and snuggle. ;)



Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck. Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

Joe





Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
A strange sight greeted me today. Pneuma is iced in, in her finger
pier
slip.
The seconded time I've seen this happen in 35 years.

Ole Thom

Scotty,
We live up here because it is relatively unpopulated like the big cities
where you l;ive...your ideas of country and city are entirely different than
ours...it is also cheaper to live here...a lot cheaper....and there are no
sharks in Lake Michigan...AND...it's that much farther away from yellow
Coronados...


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote


Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

Lisa is getting the cake now.


And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck.


Yup, don't know why anybody would 'live' up there.


Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

I've been in Texas in the Summer. You can have it.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

You forget...we all know how much you can sail down where you are...about as
much as we do up here...so get lost, old man...your pipe went out a long
time ago...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
How right you are. People who live north of the Mason-Dixon
Line are idiots. How ludicrous it is that they claim to be sailors
while living where sailing cannot be done a good part of the
year.

You have the right idea, Joe. A good steel boat, a warm climate,
a hot woman and a Captain-is-the-master attitude.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Texas in the summer is great! I will take it anyday over dealing with
the yankee cold.

Joe

Joe,
Both Detroit and Holland are economically depressed. Just what would you
make money at in either place?

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. Neal® wrote:
How right you are. People who live north of the Mason-Dixon
Line are idiots. How ludicrous it is that they claim to be sailors
while living where sailing cannot be done a good part of the
year.


It's insane, But hey someone's gotta do it. Just not going to be me.
I could make more money if I live in the Detroit or Holland Michigan
area but it aint worth it.

You have the right idea, Joe. A good steel boat,

Yes I like RedCloud, I was happy to find her. She will be safe sound
and sea worthy as long as I am alive.

a warm climate,

Indeed, why would anyone want to suffer an life huddled in a cave
around a fire shivering at the thought of sal****er spray covering
yourself.


a hot woman and a Captain-is-the-master attitude.


Well we are both captains, masters, cooks, galley hands, deckhands,
oilers,ect. To be married and claim the Captain is master only works if
your married to another Captain.

I must admit I do most the bilge and engine room work.

But its a great trade off to be able to sleep soundly knowing RedCloud
is on-course and safe.

Life could only be better if I could get out on the hook like you live,
yet still be able to maintain and continue my career. Your a lucky man
Capt Neal!

Hopefully soon the tech will be affordable and reliable enough to live
that dream.

Joe





CN


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Texas in the summer is great! I will take it anyday over dealing
with
the yankee cold.

Joe

Mr Sails is even colder than I am...he's a Yooper....

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Katy is a cold maiden. They do cryogenic storage in her
bra. Even in the summer, her bedroom stays well below
freezing.

Mr. Sails suffers from year-round chronic frostbite.

CN


"Joe" wrote
And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that must
really suck. Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

"katysails" wrote
ours...it is also cheaper to live here...a lot cheaper....and there are no
sharks in Lake Michigan...AND...it's that much farther away from yellow
Coronados...


S'matter Dearie? Afraid a little yellow boat will beat your French fry?

CN

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
We live up here because it is relatively unpopulated like the big
cities
where you l;ive...

You think Plowville is a big city??

your ideas of country and city are entirely different than
ours...
it is also cheaper to live here...a lot cheaper....and there are no
sharks in Lake Michigan...AND...it's that much farther away from
yellow
Coronados...

I've been to Detroit, GR, Flint, Ann Arbor, BC, etc.
If you want cheap rural, check out NC, or SC.

BTW, there's no sharks, or yellow Coranados in the Upper Chessy,
either.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote


Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

Lisa is getting the cake now.


And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that
must
really suck.


Yup, don't know why anybody would 'live' up there.


Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

I've been in Texas in the Summer. You can have it.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Scott Vernon" wrote

BTW, there's no sharks, or yellow Coranados in the Upper Chessy,
either.


Just as I thought - yet another low class neighborhood . . .

CN

Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier 1's in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to do more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Nope....there's no argument at all that my boat would sail circles around
ylurs...even with our old main and your new non-USA, commie sail...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote
ours...it is also cheaper to live here...a lot cheaper....and there are
no
sharks in Lake Michigan...AND...it's that much farther away from yellow
Coronados...


S'matter Dearie? Afraid a little yellow boat will beat your French fry?

CN

We don't acknowledge that Detroit, Ann Arbor, or much else on the
southeastern part of Michigan even exists....NC and SC have cheap housing
but they also don't pay diddly squat for working there....everything is
comparative...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
We live up here because it is relatively unpopulated like the big
cities
where you l;ive...

You think Plowville is a big city??

your ideas of country and city are entirely different than
ours...
it is also cheaper to live here...a lot cheaper....and there are no
sharks in Lake Michigan...AND...it's that much farther away from
yellow
Coronados...

I've been to Detroit, GR, Flint, Ann Arbor, BC, etc.
If you want cheap rural, check out NC, or SC.

BTW, there's no sharks, or yellow Coranados in the Upper Chessy,
either.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote


Dont you have a b-day party to put on?

Lisa is getting the cake now.


And BTW I here it's like 120 below where Katy lives...Man that
must
really suck.


Yup, don't know why anybody would 'live' up there.


Only going to get in the low 60's here today, but 70's by
the end of the week.

I've been in Texas in the Summer. You can have it.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish lay-offs in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a mechanic at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both he and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the need for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms of At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a thing well in
the past...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier 1's in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to do more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier 1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Nope....there's no argument at all that my boat would sail circles around


Maybe with Mr. Nav at the helm it would, but if you were in charge
your sorry French fry would languish in the straits of ineptitude. Face it
Katy, a sailor you are not. Even a Coronado 27 on autopilot would leave
your French froufrou in its bubbling wake.

CN

Is Ypsilanti still in Michigan? Because I just delivered a few
million worth of machinery to GM for their new plant there.

Scotty


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many companies...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier 1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Just keep telling yourself these things, Neal..maybe you'll believe yourself
one day...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Nope....there's no argument at all that my boat would sail circles around


Maybe with Mr. Nav at the helm it would, but if you were in charge
your sorry French fry would languish in the straits of ineptitude. Face it
Katy, a sailor you are not. Even a Coronado 27 on autopilot would leave
your French froufrou in its bubbling wake.

CN

Yeah...I was born there....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a majorly
major dump....

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Is Ypsilanti still in Michigan? Because I just delivered a few
million worth of machinery to GM for their new plant there.

Scotty


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Yeah...I was born there....look at the whole manufacturing picture
in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a
majorly
major dump....

I only know what goes on in my small world.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe







"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

"katysails" wrote

....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken a majorly
major dump....

So what! Just tell them to get a majorly bigger cedar bucket . . .

CN

Right you are, Joe. The proof is HR is the one department
of most companies that can be outsourced with greater
efficiency and profitability than when in-house.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message ups.com...

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe

"Capt. Neal®" wrote

....look at the whole manufacturing picture in MI
Scotty, not at isolated areas or events...industry in MI has taken
a majorly
major dump....

So what! Just tell them to get a majorly bigger cedar bucket . . .

Michigan is often described as ''the cedar bucket of the mid-west''.

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
OzOne wrote in message
...
On 17 Jan 2005 17:48:28 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

That doesn't warrant comment Joe.


And why not OZ. Not that its any biz of yous down under eh?

It's not the line workers fault, it's the mob bosses/ union leaders
that drove wages to a level were companies could not make a profit. Why
pay US workers 39 dollars an hour when mexicans will do the same for 2
bucks an hour. At a certian point companies have no choice but to move
mfg. They can save in 6.mo the total cost of freighting a whole company
and shipping it overseas.


Then why did you?

Most likely he a Ozzy union man.

Joe



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