Any company is only as good as its' worst worker...HR metrics gauge what
workers do, what workers cost,a nd what effect workers have on the product.
Hr is responsible for culling out the chaff that brings a company down. It
is responsible for planning and assisting with programs that keep workers
healthy and able to work. If you don;'t have an adequate skilled workforce,
you don't have a product. You can have all the R&D geniuses, you can have
the best engineers. If you don't have the people in the general workforce
to implement all that, though, you have nothing. Your ideas about business
are antiquated. And they're one of the reasons business has taken the turn
it has in this country.

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe







"Joe" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe

Onl;y certain parts can be oursourced efficiently, say for COBRA compliance.
HR covers so many different areas that to be compliant with all the
regulations, you would have to have a huge taskforce. The good HR person
knows exactly what to outsource and what not to outsource.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Right you are, Joe. The proof is HR is the one department
of most companies that can be outsourced with greater
efficiency and profitability than when in-house.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO. They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them yet.

Joe

katysails wrote:
Any company is only as good as its' worst worker...


Well HP has a few real losers I know of, but it is still a very good
company.



HR metrics gauge what
workers do,

No, they shuffle paper from managers that rate the preformance of
employees.

what workers cost,a nd what effect workers have on the product.
Hr is responsible for culling out the chaff that brings a company
down.

Yeah, someone gotta be the hatchet man, and pass out pink slips. But
again it is the managers that make the decision as to who is not up to
par.

It
is responsible for planning and assisting with programs that keep
workers
healthy and able to work.

So HR people make all the decision as to which healthcare program and
company chooses? Dont think so, they reccommend.

If you don;'t have an adequate skilled workforce,
you don't have a product. You can have all the R&D geniuses, you can
have
the best engineers. If you don't have the people in the general
workforce
to implement all that, though, you have nothing.


Wrong, you can outsource MFG.


Your ideas about business
are antiquated.


Dont think so.




And they're one of the reasons business has taken the turn
it has in this country.


I could give you 100 other reasons, most center on profit for the top
managing 3% of all businesses and greed.

Joe


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

katysails wrote:
Got news for you Joe...HR are the decision makers in many
companies...


Bullfeathers! HR people are gate keepers and they may recommend
things,
they are middlemen/women, but they are not the decision makers.

Glorified paper pushers and shufflers. How many HR people help make
anything that a company makes to make money? Most do not have a
clue
when it comes to research and development, design, mfg, production.
They just read off a sheet of paper and try to match red ones with
red
ones, and blue ones with blue one and have no clue as to the real
skills involved or how to judge those skills. I've been a recruiter
for
over 10 years now and avoid HR like the plague. HR's sole function
is
to shuffle paper that the decision makers must sign off on IMO.
They
arrange interviews for the decision makers, travel for the people
to be
interviewed, and pass out benefit information.

The only place a HR person may be a decision maker that matters, is
with a company that has nothing to sell but human services. And Ive
never worked for that type of company.

There may be a few exceptions out there but I haven't meet them
yet.

Joe







"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
Yeah...both Prince and Donnelly have suffered rather largish
lay-offs
in the
past few years....one of the reasons why my son (who was a
mechanic
at
Prince) went back to being an auto mechanic at
dealerships..both
he
and his
wife were laid off from Prince and Donnelly....Donnelly also
has a
bad HR
record...they have a reputation for hiring a gob of workers and
working them
89 days and then whammo....hire another bunch, eliminating the
need
for
paying benefits or unemployment ir having to abide with the
terms
of
At Will
employment beyond 90 days...the auto industry in MI is
dying...Granholm is
hastening its' death....Michigan as the automotive Mecca is a
thing
well in
the past...


For overpaid union gruts working the line yeah, they shot
themselves
in the foot many years ago. Infact for any mfg, assembly ect.

But not for R&D and program management. True many have moved out
of
the area but still there is a very strong presence of tier 1s in
your
state.

I try not to deal with HR people, Id rather work with the
decision
makers.

Joe








"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closer to many of my clients in the automotive industry.

Have you heard of Prince, or Donnelly in Holland?
I've worked for both of them on several occasions.

Ford ,Visteon, GM, Bosch, Hella NA, NAL, and several other
tier
1's
in
the detroit area.

Being there would give me more customer contact, and chances
to
do
more
work for them.

I do make it up every year to the SAE Congress.

Joe