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The Beneteau First 235 "wing" is IRON
Ugen wrote:
So my brave little First 235 under my sloppy command hit a submerged stone while leaving Greenwich, CT harbor. It wasnt a very strong hit, more like scraping, so i fugured - a scratch on a keel - who cares. Wrong again! Apparently beneteau in a quest for cost effectivness glues the wings onto the keel with something closely resembling 3M 5200. So here we go - the boat just came out of the water and the wings are not to be found there. Lesson number 3 - buying imported (French) boats isn't much different from buying imported cars. The wings (fiberglass part, about 1' wide, 2' long) may cost me (as per Benetau USA parts guy) about $1000. First of all, the wing on the Beneteau First 235 is NOT fiberglass. In fact, it is made of IRON just like the keel, and covered with epoxy/resin to seal it. Secondly, the wing on the Beneteau F235 is NOT glued on with just 5200. The wing is attached with THREE large bolts and sealed. Some of the run of wing keels might be made differently; there is still debate here. On the earlier models of the US run started in 86/87, you can see the seam of the wing keel where the wing is added. Some of these leave the bolt heads exposed, recessed in bottom. Others have these anomolies completely covered with a seamless joint between wing and fin, the bolt heads invisible. Apparently, you hit the wing with enough force to shear the bolts off, something I have never seen or heard of before or since. IF anyone is interested, a view of the Beneteau F235 wing keel is seen below, this before and after a restoration. http://www.beneteau235.com/keel_pdf/...el_montage.jpg Here you see the separate wing, top and bottom, along with the bolts that are used to attach it. You notice the wing on and off the fin, and get an excellent shot of the wing keel faired and finished with barrier coat. The original keels are not available any more. However, more than a few owners have converted to the new Mars/Leif Beiley lead keel so one could find extras this way. Mars makes the Leif Beiley lead keel option right now, details to be found at http://beneteau235.com/ As an aside, it is far more likely your F235 was made in the Beneteau plant in South Carolina, and NOT imported from France. 451 F235 were made there. This post is left for information purposes, since the original poster has long since lived this malady down... kh Beneteau F235 ~ abstrait '89 WK | Hull #327 http://beneteau235.com |
As an addition, being the owner of a French boat that was built in France,
getting parts from France is much cheaper, faster, and more efficient than trying to get them in the US. We deal directly with the Kirie people in La Rochelle whenever we have a problem and have had nothing but satisfactory service. The cost of the part we order is generally half that of what it costs here and the shipping is not expensive. I suppose ifyou had to order something as weighty as a lead keel bulb that might change... "abstrait" wrote in message oups.com... Ugen wrote: So my brave little First 235 under my sloppy command hit a submerged stone while leaving Greenwich, CT harbor. It wasnt a very strong hit, more like scraping, so i fugured - a scratch on a keel - who cares. Wrong again! Apparently beneteau in a quest for cost effectivness glues the wings onto the keel with something closely resembling 3M 5200. So here we go - the boat just came out of the water and the wings are not to be found there. Lesson number 3 - buying imported (French) boats isn't much different from buying imported cars. The wings (fiberglass part, about 1' wide, 2' long) may cost me (as per Benetau USA parts guy) about $1000. First of all, the wing on the Beneteau First 235 is NOT fiberglass. In fact, it is made of IRON just like the keel, and covered with epoxy/resin to seal it. Secondly, the wing on the Beneteau F235 is NOT glued on with just 5200. The wing is attached with THREE large bolts and sealed. Some of the run of wing keels might be made differently; there is still debate here. On the earlier models of the US run started in 86/87, you can see the seam of the wing keel where the wing is added. Some of these leave the bolt heads exposed, recessed in bottom. Others have these anomolies completely covered with a seamless joint between wing and fin, the bolt heads invisible. Apparently, you hit the wing with enough force to shear the bolts off, something I have never seen or heard of before or since. IF anyone is interested, a view of the Beneteau F235 wing keel is seen below, this before and after a restoration. http://www.beneteau235.com/keel_pdf/...el_montage.jpg Here you see the separate wing, top and bottom, along with the bolts that are used to attach it. You notice the wing on and off the fin, and get an excellent shot of the wing keel faired and finished with barrier coat. The original keels are not available any more. However, more than a few owners have converted to the new Mars/Leif Beiley lead keel so one could find extras this way. Mars makes the Leif Beiley lead keel option right now, details to be found at http://beneteau235.com/ As an aside, it is far more likely your F235 was made in the Beneteau plant in South Carolina, and NOT imported from France. 451 F235 were made there. This post is left for information purposes, since the original poster has long since lived this malady down... kh Beneteau F235 ~ abstrait '89 WK | Hull #327 http://beneteau235.com |
"abstrait" wrote in message First of all, the wing on the Beneteau First 235 is NOT fiberglass. No commercially-produced boats have strictly FRP wings. They all have some weight in them, whether iron, lead, or whatever. In fact, it is made of IRON just like the keel, and covered with epoxy/resin to seal it. While iron is less desirable than lead for obvious reasons, it is increasingly more common in production yachts as keel ballast. Lead is more costly and less available, and there are some environmental issues with lead/antimony keel materials as well. While most manufacturers would prefer lead ballast, many are going to iron. Even high-end builders, such as Moody, are using iron. No big deal, IMO, if properly encapsulated and maintained. Max |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Only an unpatriotic, commie idiot would buy anything from France. I have boycotted all things Frog and I invite everybody to follow my lead. Let's hit those corrupt commie jerks where it hurts - right in their pocketbook. Right on, Cappy. Boycott those *******s. Say, let's have a drink on that. I've got a nice Chateau Lynch Bages '86 just waiting to be opened and . . . . Max |
Right you are about iron keels.
Coronado Yachts was using iron over 30 years ago. My Coronado 27 has a cast iron keel. Today's leading edge technology yesterday - how about that? CN "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "abstrait" wrote in message First of all, the wing on the Beneteau First 235 is NOT fiberglass. No commercially-produced boats have strictly FRP wings. They all have some weight in them, whether iron, lead, or whatever. In fact, it is made of IRON just like the keel, and covered with epoxy/resin to seal it. While iron is less desirable than lead for obvious reasons, it is increasingly more common in production yachts as keel ballast. Lead is more costly and less available, and there are some environmental issues with lead/antimony keel materials as well. While most manufacturers would prefer lead ballast, many are going to iron. Even high-end builders, such as Moody, are using iron. No big deal, IMO, if properly encapsulated and maintained. Max |
In that case, please be sure not to visit the Statue of Liberty.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Only an unpatriotic, commie idiot would buy anything from France. I have boycotted all things Frog and I invite everybody to follow my lead. Let's hit those corrupt commie jerks where it hurts - right in their pocketbook. Right on, Cappy. Boycott those *******s. Say, let's have a drink on that. I've got a nice Chateau Lynch Bages '86 just waiting to be opened and . . . . Max |
My Cal 20 has a cast iron keel... 950 lbs of it. It makes it quite stable on
the bay. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "abstrait" wrote in message First of all, the wing on the Beneteau First 235 is NOT fiberglass. No commercially-produced boats have strictly FRP wings. They all have some weight in them, whether iron, lead, or whatever. In fact, it is made of IRON just like the keel, and covered with epoxy/resin to seal it. While iron is less desirable than lead for obvious reasons, it is increasingly more common in production yachts as keel ballast. Lead is more costly and less available, and there are some environmental issues with lead/antimony keel materials as well. While most manufacturers would prefer lead ballast, many are going to iron. Even high-end builders, such as Moody, are using iron. No big deal, IMO, if properly encapsulated and maintained. Max |
I'm sure the French are quite relieved that Neal is boycotting them...they
don't have to worry about sanitation costs after a surprise visit... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Only an unpatriotic, commie idiot would buy anything from France. I have boycotted all things Frog and I invite everybody to follow my lead. Let's hit those corrupt commie jerks where it hurts - right in their pocketbook. Right on, Cappy. Boycott those *******s. Say, let's have a drink on that. I've got a nice Chateau Lynch Bages '86 just waiting to be opened and . . . . Max |
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:47:42 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote this crap: Only an unpatriotic, commie idiot would buy anything from France. I have boycotted all things Frog and I invite everybody to follow my lead. Let's hit those corrupt commie jerks where it hurts - right in their pocketbook. That's right! I've switched to drinking the finest upstate New York shampane, and the best Northern Michigan cherry wines I can get. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:31:52 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: My Cal 20 has a cast iron keel... 950 lbs of it. It makes it quite stable on the bay. That's also because the mast is only eight feet tall. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:29:07 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap: Right on, Cappy. Boycott those *******s. Say, let's have a drink on that. I've got a nice Chateau Lynch Bages '86 just waiting to be opened and . . . . "Shatooh Lynchburg" is usually what we call Jack Daniels. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
This from the "expert" who owns a crapola hunter.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:31:52 -0800, "JG" wrote this crap: My Cal 20 has a cast iron keel... 950 lbs of it. It makes it quite stable on the bay. That's also because the mast is only eight feet tall. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
"JG" wrote in message In that case, please be sure not to visit the Statue of Liberty. Haven't you heard? They want it back. Max |
"katysails" wrote in message France is not a Communist country.... You obviously need a course in world government to set you straight... He should have joined me in that nicely-aged claret I just drank. Then he wouldn't have cared what France is or isn't. Max |
Perhaps because they gave it to a free society, which is quickly becoming
less free? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "JG" wrote in message In that case, please be sure not to visit the Statue of Liberty. Haven't you heard? They want it back. Max |
There is no such thing as a "best" Michigan wine...they're pretty swilly...
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:47:42 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote this crap: Only an unpatriotic, commie idiot would buy anything from France. I have boycotted all things Frog and I invite everybody to follow my lead. Let's hit those corrupt commie jerks where it hurts - right in their pocketbook. That's right! I've switched to drinking the finest upstate New York shampane, and the best Northern Michigan cherry wines I can get. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:22:50 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: This from the "expert" who owns a crapola hunter. There's nothing "crapola" about my boat, dumbass. http://community.webshots.com/photo/...84590516gdrVXX And I'm the club champion, again. Something you can only dream about, dumbass. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant
malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Lastly, you are really nothing but a troll, and a glorified one at that. Your bombast is sprinkled far and wide in here and almost outnumbers your contributions of merit, although some do exist. Happening on here this morning and reading your complete tripe is like witnessing a car wreck in slow motion, over and over, with no end in sight. If you are the best the Alt.saiing.asa has to offer, then it's not a good sign. Alas, as stated, you are the consumate troll, so you eat this stuff up. I can only wonder how many sailors with sense you have driven away. I am now sorry I entered this thread as it was reduced to total schlock within 24 hours. kh |
"JG" wrote in message Perhaps because they gave it to a free society, which is quickly becoming less free? Nah. They're just running out of iron for keels (Beneteau, Jeanneau) and copper for plumbing pipes. Max |
"katysails" wrote in message There is no such thing as a "best" Michigan wine...they're pretty swilly... Amen to that! A wine salesman once told me that "good Michigan wine" is an oxymoron. I concur. Max |
"Horvath" wrote in message On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:51:57 GMT, wrote this crap: "Shatooh Lynchburg" is usually what we call Jack Daniels. I own property right next to the Jack Daniels distillery and I've NEVER heard it called that. You must be a piker. Wouldn't suprise me if you were a charter member of the founding of JD. He probably "owns" one of the one foot square plots of land that JD gave away as a promotion. Max |
"Horvath" wrote in message On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:44:15 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote this crap: "JG" wrote in message In that case, please be sure not to visit the Statue of Liberty. Haven't you heard? They want it back. They better be paying for the shipping. Something tells me that if they really plan to take it back, they're going to have to come and get it. Might meet a bit of armed resistance, I suspect. Max |
Glassing in iron is dumb IMO, What a nightmare that would turn into.
Throw that zinc chromate away and get some endsrust, redlead, epoxy, bottom paint. I can go 3- 4 years min. on a bottom job without seeing any rust. Joe |
Why's that? I thought you hate the French. Let them take it back if that's
how you feel. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Horvath" wrote in message On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:44:15 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote this crap: "JG" wrote in message In that case, please be sure not to visit the Statue of Liberty. Haven't you heard? They want it back. They better be paying for the shipping. Something tells me that if they really plan to take it back, they're going to have to come and get it. Might meet a bit of armed resistance, I suspect. Max |
That's what usually happens when the Crapton throws in his net worth... 2
cents. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "abstrait" wrote in message ups.com... Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Lastly, you are really nothing but a troll, and a glorified one at that. Your bombast is sprinkled far and wide in here and almost outnumbers your contributions of merit, although some do exist. Happening on here this morning and reading your complete tripe is like witnessing a car wreck in slow motion, over and over, with no end in sight. If you are the best the Alt.saiing.asa has to offer, then it's not a good sign. Alas, as stated, you are the consumate troll, so you eat this stuff up. I can only wonder how many sailors with sense you have driven away. I am now sorry I entered this thread as it was reduced to total schlock within 24 hours. kh |
You're right. It's the sailor that is crap.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:22:50 -0800, "JG" wrote this crap: This from the "expert" who owns a crapola hunter. There's nothing "crapola" about my boat, dumbass. http://community.webshots.com/photo/...84590516gdrVXX And I'm the club champion, again. Something you can only dream about, dumbass. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
I agree. I just use a good bottom paint. I haven' t had any rust.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Glassing in iron is dumb IMO, What a nightmare that would turn into. Throw that zinc chromate away and get some endsrust, redlead, epoxy, bottom paint. I can go 3- 4 years min. on a bottom job without seeing any rust. Joe |
lately Neal's a troll? Neal's always been a troll, always been a
malcontent, and always been a racist and a bigot...these are not new facts....in fact, he's much softer in his views than he was, say 5 years ago....one can only think that age is wearing him down... "abstrait" wrote in message ups.com... Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Lastly, you are really nothing but a troll, and a glorified one at that. Your bombast is sprinkled far and wide in here and almost outnumbers your contributions of merit, although some do exist. Happening on here this morning and reading your complete tripe is like witnessing a car wreck in slow motion, over and over, with no end in sight. If you are the best the Alt.saiing.asa has to offer, then it's not a good sign. Alas, as stated, you are the consumate troll, so you eat this stuff up. I can only wonder how many sailors with sense you have driven away. I am now sorry I entered this thread as it was reduced to total schlock within 24 hours. kh |
JG wrote: I agree. I just use a good bottom paint. I haven' t had any rust. You must be rust free, and before you put on your bottom paint/antifoulant, you need to have a barrier coat. I prefer an epoxy. Only thing better is a process called Met-coating were hot molten zinc is sprayed on. Many of the offshore platforms and barges are protected this way. Antifoulant absorbs moisture and should never be use alone on steel/iron. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Glassing in iron is dumb IMO, What a nightmare that would turn into. Throw that zinc chromate away and get some endsrust, redlead, epoxy, bottom paint. I can go 3- 4 years min. on a bottom job without seeing any rust. Joe |
Gawd, but that thing's ugly!
CN "Horvath" wrote http://community.webshots.com/photo/...84590516gdrVXX |
Yeah, I forgot which epoxy I used. The cast iron needs to be sealed.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... JG wrote: I agree. I just use a good bottom paint. I haven' t had any rust. You must be rust free, and before you put on your bottom paint/antifoulant, you need to have a barrier coat. I prefer an epoxy. Only thing better is a process called Met-coating were hot molten zinc is sprayed on. Many of the offshore platforms and barges are protected this way. Antifoulant absorbs moisture and should never be use alone on steel/iron. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Glassing in iron is dumb IMO, What a nightmare that would turn into. Throw that zinc chromate away and get some endsrust, redlead, epoxy, bottom paint. I can go 3- 4 years min. on a bottom job without seeing any rust. Joe |
Dear Katysails,
Capt. Neal is not a troll. Capt. Neal is a brilliant observer of life and an exceptional practitioner of sailing. As on the water, in this group of losers, the good Capt. Neal has no equal. If it seems to you that the good Capt. Neal is a bigot and a racist it is only because, compared to any race and any other individual, Capt. Neal is so far superior in every way that his very presence lends credence to the fact that no one can compare to his excellency. As for age wearing me down, that's not the case. For your information, Capt. Neal is trying to turn over a new leaf and is reading the Bible and taking some Bible study Internet lessons from the Charles Stanley Institute for Christian Living. http://www.charlesstanleyinstitute.com/portal/home.html I shall pray for you that you become a little more tolerant of others. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... lately Neal's a troll? Neal's always been a troll, always been a malcontent, and always been a racist and a bigot...these are not new facts....in fact, he's much softer in his views than he was, say 5 years ago....one can only think that age is wearing him down... "abstrait" wrote in message ups.com... Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Lastly, you are really nothing but a troll, and a glorified one at that. Your bombast is sprinkled far and wide in here and almost outnumbers your contributions of merit, although some do exist. Happening on here this morning and reading your complete tripe is like witnessing a car wreck in slow motion, over and over, with no end in sight. If you are the best the Alt.saiing.asa has to offer, then it's not a good sign. Alas, as stated, you are the consumate troll, so you eat this stuff up. I can only wonder how many sailors with sense you have driven away. I am now sorry I entered this thread as it was reduced to total schlock within 24 hours. kh |
"abstrait" scribbled Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. And you are but just another on-line rube with whom I am plagued. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... Sounds like some kind of auto-generated post to me. Is Pakin back with his software? I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Yes, Scott is back . . . snip CN |
Lioke I said before...Capt Neal is a troll....
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Katysails, Capt. Neal is not a troll. Capt. Neal is a brilliant observer of life and an exceptional practitioner of sailing. As on the water, in this group of losers, the good Capt. Neal has no equal. If it seems to you that the good Capt. Neal is a bigot and a racist it is only because, compared to any race and any other individual, Capt. Neal is so far superior in every way that his very presence lends credence to the fact that no one can compare to his excellency. As for age wearing me down, that's not the case. For your information, Capt. Neal is trying to turn over a new leaf and is reading the Bible and taking some Bible study Internet lessons from the Charles Stanley Institute for Christian Living. http://www.charlesstanleyinstitute.com/portal/home.html I shall pray for you that you become a little more tolerant of others. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... lately Neal's a troll? Neal's always been a troll, always been a malcontent, and always been a racist and a bigot...these are not new facts....in fact, he's much softer in his views than he was, say 5 years ago....one can only think that age is wearing him down... "abstrait" wrote in message ups.com... Capt, Neal, you are perhaps one of the most blatantly ignorant malcontents I have ever read online, and that's in a list of many. Sadly, and almost as par for the course, you consider yourself knowledgeable and witty, yet your comments are so unabashidly blind, almost to the level of comedic, that it's embarrassing. If this was a parody of ignorance via a cartoon network coloring book, it would perhaps warrant a few guffaws. Never before have I prayed for sarcasm.... I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common and given strength since 9/11, and all for the wrong reasons. Lastly, you are really nothing but a troll, and a glorified one at that. Your bombast is sprinkled far and wide in here and almost outnumbers your contributions of merit, although some do exist. Happening on here this morning and reading your complete tripe is like witnessing a car wreck in slow motion, over and over, with no end in sight. If you are the best the Alt.saiing.asa has to offer, then it's not a good sign. Alas, as stated, you are the consumate troll, so you eat this stuff up. I can only wonder how many sailors with sense you have driven away. I am now sorry I entered this thread as it was reduced to total schlock within 24 hours. kh |
"JG" wrote in message Why's that? I thought you hate the French. Let them take it back if that's how you feel. The Frogs make tempting targets for ridicule, but I don't hate them. Max |
"Dave" wrote in message I'm not at all sure that glassing the iron in as some boats do is the answer, since if you do get salt water penetrating to the keel the iron rusts and expands, creating its own problems. There are pros and cons for encapsulation, but suffice it to say that any keel can develop problems if improperly maintained or grounded roughly. We once considered buying a Hallberg Rassey Rasmus 35, but passed when we noted a breach in the keel-encapsulating fiberglass which was constantly seeping rusty water. I doubt if there's any fix for that sort of problem, short of removing all the glass and re-encapsulating the keel, which would cost more than the boat was worth. Max |
"Joe" wrote in message Only thing better is a process called Met-coating were hot molten zinc is sprayed on. That would be almost the same as galvanizing the keel. Max |
Dave wrote: On 16 Jan 2005 09:58:14 -0800, "Joe" said: Throw that zinc chromate away and get some endsrust, redlead, epoxy, bottom paint. I can go 3- 4 years min. on a bottom job without seeing any rust. I'm all ears. Can you describe what you do in a bit more detail? I use zinc chromate followed by bottom paint because that's what my surveyor recommended, but would certainly love to find a more effective treatment. Whats important is having a surface clean of rust, the best is to sandblast. Second wirewheels and lots of elbow grease. But even after doing both you will have some microscopic rust. Coat the steel with endsrust, that what the local shops re-selling in call it here is a link: http://www.interstateproducts.com/rustkiller.htm Its a great product, waterbased and it will nuteralize any rust, turns it black, the stuff is like a polyurthane but no bad fumes and is 100 times better than Naveljelly or ospho. A good thick coat of redlead next is ideal if you can find it, I have a navy buddy get mine. Next get a quality 2 part epoxy to provide a waterproof barrier, Then your antifoulant. Zinc chromate will react with many antifoulants surely it goes to **** in no time with copper based antifoulants. Makes the hull hot electrolysis wise. On steel I prefer to use a insecticide type antifoulant with no metals at all. Do all this when the humidity is below 20% and give each coat a day to dry. I usually put 3 coats of epoxy, Rustolum make a garage paint floor epoxy that is as good as any, and cheaper. Good Luck Joe |
Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
Sounds like some kind of auto-generated post to me. Is Pakin back with his software? I didnt know people were still saying the word "commie" in 2005. Your understanding of things International is sitting square in the middle of solipsism, not to mention the paramount of a twisted ethnocentric vision that seems common Yes, Scott is back . . . Pakin? How can one be so wrong and proud of it, with seemingly no aftershocks within the skull? Even if sarcasm can be claimed here, it is so weak and off topic, it merely flaps about, grasping for relevance. Auto Generated? Is this your excuse for not having to come up with something meaningful nor correct? Anyone that registers his own name within the usenet/groups illustrates an almost staggering sense of self worth, and though they would probably claim some form of "elbow in the side" as an excuse, this is merely to hide the truth: this is where the pond begins and ends, and it's a fine, easily managable body of water, with fenders all about and plenty of depth, almost like a barrel of water with no current to impede, so as to enable more twirling about. And in this small pond, which is safe and sound, you ride high on Captain's laurels, self proclaimed of course, but no less important in the local scheme of things, all as far as you know. Dont get me wrong, Capt. Coronado; I love witty banter and off topic amusement. But when it's just plain ignorant and small-minded, and seemingly proud of it, then it's merely mediocre or less. And your Neander-Neocon posts are high marks on the low road totem poll. Then again, after perusing the posts here, this place appears to be a holding tank for many like-minded "psuedo-salts." kh |
Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
Sounds like some kind of auto-generated post to me. Is Pakin back with his software? Yes, Scott is back . . . Pakin? How can one be so wrong and proud of it, with seemingly no aftershocks within the skull? Even if sarcasm can be claimed here, it is so weak and off topic, it merely flaps about, grasping for relevance. Auto Generated? Is this your excuse for not having to come up with something meaningful nor correct? Anyone that registers his own name within the usenet/groups illustrates an almost staggering sense of self worth, and though they would probably claim some form of "elbow in the side" as an excuse, this is merely to hide the truth: this is where the pond begins and ends, and it's a fine, easily managable body of water, with fenders all about and plenty of depth, almost like a barrel of water with no current to impede, so as to enable more twirling about. And in this small pond, which is safe and sound, you ride high on Captain's laurels, self-proclaimed of course, but no less important in the local scheme of things, all as far as you know. Dont get me wrong, Capt. Coronado; I love witty banter and off topic amusement. But when it's just plain ignorant and small-minded, and seemingly proud of it, then it's merely mediocre or less. And your Neander-Neocon posts are high marks on the low road totem poll. Then again, after perusing the posts here, amidst the good advice and comments, it still appears to be a holding tank for many like-minded "NeoCon-O-salts" where high-fives abound at the low water mark. kh |
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