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John Cairns January 7th 05 09:57 PM

OT-Heritage Foundation disses Bush
 
Economic freedom is the measure of the roadblocks governments put in place
that prevent their citizens from achieving success. Not surprisingly,
countries with the greatest economic freedom enjoy strong economic growth.
Unfree countries, conversely, do not.

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and the
Wall Street Journal.

Now in its 11th edition, the Index is the most up-to-date and comprehensive
source of data on taxes, tariffs, regulations, monetary policy, and the
burden of government around the world.

Out-of-control government spending is partly to blame for America's
standing, but so is competition, writes Heritage's Marc Miles in his
introduction. "The U.S. is resting on its laurels," he explains, "while
innovative countries around the world are changing their approaches and
reducing roadblocks."

The U.S. must make a choice, concludes Miles. "Is it to remain the symbol of
economic freedom in the world that was, or is it going to take the steps
needed to regain the leadership in the world that is and will be?"

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/

All thanks to junior!

John Cairns





thunder January 7th 05 11:11 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:57:35 +0000, John Cairns wrote:

Economic freedom is the measure of the roadblocks governments put in place
that prevent their citizens from achieving success. Not surprisingly,
countries with the greatest economic freedom enjoy strong economic growth.
Unfree countries, conversely, do not.

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and
the Wall Street Journal.


We are still some ways from the "Land of the Once Free", but our direction
is clear.

http://www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=4116

Overproof January 8th 05 01:37 AM


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:57:35 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and
the
Wall Street Journal.


I saw the report, and was surprised by it. One has to wonder about a
report
that puts the UK and Denmark above the US in economic freedom.


Come on Dave... you guys are on a regular diet of orange and yellow
alerts..... most of your freedoms have been revoked for national
security..... you have everything to fear from fear itself.
You have collectively allowed your governments to interfere in the affairs
of other nations out of greed and self interest masked under the banner of
providing democracy and freedom to all. Then you have as a nation paid the
price for their actions.

You are so removed from the path you once undertook and you believe the
fools leading you know the way. We have way more freedom here in Canada than
you folks do.

CM



John Cairns January 8th 05 02:16 AM


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:57:35 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and
the
Wall Street Journal.


I saw the report, and was surprised by it. One has to wonder about a
report
that puts the UK and Denmark above the US in economic freedom.


And what would one wonder about? You know, there are still real
conservatives in the US, most of whom are appalled by the Bush
administration's economic policies, among other things.

John Cairns



Bob Crantz January 8th 05 03:10 AM

You are absolutely correct.

Amen!

BC

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:57:35 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no

longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and
the
Wall Street Journal.


I saw the report, and was surprised by it. One has to wonder about a
report
that puts the UK and Denmark above the US in economic freedom.


And what would one wonder about? You know, there are still real
conservatives in the US, most of whom are appalled by the Bush
administration's economic policies, among other things.

John Cairns





Bart Senior January 8th 05 03:51 AM

I didn't see anything about gun ownership. If you factor that in, the US
would move
back up to number 1.

"John Cairns" wrote

Economic freedom is the measure of the roadblocks governments put in place
that prevent their citizens from achieving success. Not surprisingly,
countries with the greatest economic freedom enjoy strong economic growth.
Unfree countries, conversely, do not.

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no longer
ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The 2005
Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation and
the Wall Street Journal.

Now in its 11th edition, the Index is the most up-to-date and
comprehensive source of data on taxes, tariffs, regulations, monetary
policy, and the burden of government around the world.

Out-of-control government spending is partly to blame for America's
standing, but so is competition, writes Heritage's Marc Miles in his
introduction. "The U.S. is resting on its laurels," he explains, "while
innovative countries around the world are changing their approaches and
reducing roadblocks."

The U.S. must make a choice, concludes Miles. "Is it to remain the symbol
of economic freedom in the world that was, or is it going to take the
steps needed to regain the leadership in the world that is and will be?"

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/

All thanks to junior!

John Cairns







Overproof January 8th 05 04:12 AM

You can't realistically base the degree of freedom on the right to carry a
deadly weapon.... no matter how much I agree with the fact that freedom to
carry should be available..... it's the will of the majority that denotes a
democratic state.

You do have the right to move to an area that allows it..... but that area
may require to sacrifice other freedoms to allow the one you seek.

CM



"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
I didn't see anything about gun ownership. If you factor that in, the US
would move
back up to number 1.

"John Cairns" wrote

Economic freedom is the measure of the roadblocks governments put in
place that prevent their citizens from achieving success. Not
surprisingly, countries with the greatest economic freedom enjoy strong
economic growth. Unfree countries, conversely, do not.

Long a symbol of economic prosperity, America for the first time no
longer ranks among the top 10 free nations of the world, according to The
2005 Index of Economic Freedom, just released by the Heritage Foundation
and the Wall Street Journal.

Now in its 11th edition, the Index is the most up-to-date and
comprehensive source of data on taxes, tariffs, regulations, monetary
policy, and the burden of government around the world.

Out-of-control government spending is partly to blame for America's
standing, but so is competition, writes Heritage's Marc Miles in his
introduction. "The U.S. is resting on its laurels," he explains, "while
innovative countries around the world are changing their approaches and
reducing roadblocks."

The U.S. must make a choice, concludes Miles. "Is it to remain the symbol
of economic freedom in the world that was, or is it going to take the
steps needed to regain the leadership in the world that is and will be?"

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/

All thanks to junior!

John Cairns









Overproof January 8th 05 04:51 AM


Rick wrote in message

I was unaware that the United States was a democracy. When was that
changed?


Sorry... I meant to say a Dictatorship run by the Corporate Elite.

CM



Bob Crantz January 9th 05 01:11 AM

I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more
efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote
welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to
repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones
that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose,
or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not
attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first
determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later
be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that
I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am
doing the very best I can.

Barry Goldwater

Amen!

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:BFJDd.44118$nN6.27029@edtnps84...

Rick wrote in message

I was unaware that the United States was a democracy. When was that
changed?


Sorry... I meant to say a Dictatorship run by the Corporate Elite.

CM





Overproof January 9th 05 01:28 AM

I concur..... Libertarian is the way of the future if we are to survive.

CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more
efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote
welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but
to
repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones
that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their
purpose,
or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not
attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first
determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should
later
be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply
that
I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am
doing the very best I can.

Barry Goldwater

Amen!

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:BFJDd.44118$nN6.27029@edtnps84...

Rick wrote in message

I was unaware that the United States was a democracy. When was that
changed?


Sorry... I meant to say a Dictatorship run by the Corporate Elite.

CM







Jonathan Ganz January 9th 05 10:04 PM

Economic freedom for the rich...

In article ,
Dave wrote:
The Heritage Foundation document deals with economic freedom, CM.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Overproof January 9th 05 10:50 PM


Rick wrote in message

My question wasn't facetious. It really is surprising how many people
do not realize the US is not a democracy. Never was. Wasn't even
intended to be one.


.... just maybe it's because you seem to want to ram democracy down
everyone's throat .

Tell me... do you consider Canada a democracy?

CM



Thom Stewart January 10th 05 01:14 AM

CM,

Our "Pledge's" 2nd sentence tell what kind of a government we have

It Is a REPUBLIC. It is a Democratic Republic and has been a pretty
successful Republic of the people for a very long time. In our time
there has been a change taking place.

It was never meant to be the private life time career for politicians.
Career Politician have gain enough control to become Rulers rather than
Representatives. As long as they can vote themselves wage increases, it
becomes a damn good job.

Jefferson envisioned a government modeled after the Greeks (Spartan) to
be exact, which elected representatives had to take turns serving, if
elected. They then returned to their private lives after serving. Geo
Washington did set an example when he voluntarily stepped down after
serving. This did, kind of, set the tone for sometime.

Time for me to get off the soap box. Think about when and why Colleges
started teaching Political Science as a Degree.

Ole Thom


Bob Crantz January 10th 05 02:51 AM

"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid"

John Wayne

America's poor = mostly obese = too much food

America's poor = sedentary = own too many televisions

America's poor = own too many cars

America's poor are the richest poor in the world.

"I cried because I had no shoes, then I saw a man with no feet"

Tax the poor! Let them pay for their share of their burden on the rest of
us!

BC


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Economic freedom for the rich...

In article ,
Dave wrote:
The Heritage Foundation document deals with economic freedom, CM.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Capt. Neal® January 10th 05 03:38 AM



You forgot one.

America's sailors = keyboard sailors

(Except for Captain Neal, that is. CN sails most of the year
then posts for a few months to shame all the wannabes like
Cairns)

CN

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ink.net...
"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid"

John Wayne

America's poor = mostly obese = too much food

America's poor = sedentary = own too many televisions

America's poor = own too many cars

America's poor are the richest poor in the world.

"I cried because I had no shoes, then I saw a man with no feet"

Tax the poor! Let them pay for their share of their burden on the rest of
us!

BC


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Economic freedom for the rich...

In article ,
Dave wrote:
The Heritage Foundation document deals with economic freedom, CM.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




John Cairns January 11th 05 12:19 AM


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


You forgot one.

America's sailors = keyboard sailors

(Except for Captain Neal, that is. CN sails most of the year
then posts for a few months to shame all the wannabes like
Cairns)

CN


Bwahahahahahhahhahahhahhaahahahahahahha.

John Cairns





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