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Capt.American January 6th 05 07:08 PM

How many crew members is enough?
 
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition," the
Coast Guard said.


Overproof January 6th 05 07:15 PM

Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square area per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition," the
Coast Guard said.




Scott Vernon January 6th 05 10:24 PM

I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:G7gDd.53172$dv1.18168@edtnps89...
Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square

area per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I

doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat

that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal

migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on

Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats

were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the

boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the

cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all

hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition,"

the
Coast Guard said.






Joe January 6th 05 10:32 PM


Scott Vernon wrote:
I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV


I hear you Scotty, I bet I could not get more than 362 people on my
boat. And my holding tank is only 45 gallons, and what food do you
serve? Drinks for everyone ect... Seems like to much hassle.

Joe









"Overproof" wrote in message
news:G7gDd.53172$dv1.18168@edtnps89...
Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square

area per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I

doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat

that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal

migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on

Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats

were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the

boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the

cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all

hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition,"

the
Coast Guard said.





Overproof January 6th 05 11:13 PM

Well for one... you are now importing Alberta Beef!!!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?




John Deere January 6th 05 11:31 PM

Scott Vernon wrote:

I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV


No one's keeping you here, in the USA. Leave tomorrow. Please.




Capt. Neal® January 7th 05 12:07 AM


Most Haitians haven't an ounce of body fat. You certainly cannot compare
them to the average, fat-assed Canadian or American.

The sloops they use are wooden and normally have internal ballast. This is all
tossed out so as many Haitians as possible can be carried. The average Haitian
probably weighs in at around 125 pounds wet.

In other words 200 Haitians = 100 Americans or about 75 Canadians.

CN

"Overproof" wrote in message news:G7gDd.53172$dv1.18168@edtnps89...
Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square area per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition," the
Coast Guard said.




Scott Vernon January 7th 05 12:11 AM


"John Deere" wrote in message
news:bHV0ZWZpc2s=.d91bf3a8f0febe2ebb293b5b29d8abdf @1105054264.nulluser
..com...
Scott Vernon wrote:

I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV


No one's keeping you here, in the USA.


Yes they are, I have an electronic ankle bracelet.

SV



katysails January 7th 05 02:23 AM

It's best to believe Neal on this one...after all, he has so much experience
transporting them...( and you all thought he was in the Bahamas!)

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Most Haitians haven't an ounce of body fat. You certainly cannot compare
them to the average, fat-assed Canadian or American.

The sloops they use are wooden and normally have internal ballast. This is
all
tossed out so as many Haitians as possible can be carried. The average
Haitian
probably weighs in at around 125 pounds wet.

In other words 200 Haitians = 100 Americans or about 75 Canadians.

CN

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:G7gDd.53172$dv1.18168@edtnps89...
Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square area
per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition," the
Coast Guard said.






Seahag January 7th 05 03:04 PM

Rats...I just deleted the photo someone sent me...it *was* a wide boat.

Seahag

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:G7gDd.53172$dv1.18168@edtnps89...
Crap... that would be one heck of a wide 30 foot sailboat!
Let's see..... roughly 1.5 tons of people with a 2 foot square area per
person average.... ???

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
ups.com...
208 Haitians on 30-foot sailboat caught en route to U.S.

The Coast Guard has returned 208 Haitians to Port-au-Prince after
finding them jammed onto a "grossly overloaded" 30-foot sailboat that
apparently was in danger of capsizing.

A helicopter searching the Windward Passage, a route illegal migrants
take while going from Haiti to Florida, spotted the boat on Sunday.

After the Coast Guard cutter Vigorous arrived, two rescue boats were
sent to the Haitian vessel because 100 people were seen on the boat's
deck.

"The vessel was observed lolling -- making long, slow rolls --
indicating a stability-critical situation where capsizing was
possible," the Coast Guard said in a statement.

Crew members spent five hours transporting the Haitians to the cutter.
" In all, 159 men, 47 women and two children were rescued, all hungry
and thirsty and some seasick, but in otherwise good condition," the
Coast Guard said.






Jonathan Ganz January 8th 05 01:27 AM

In article bHV0ZWZpc2s=.d91bf3a8f0febe2ebb293b5b29d8abdf@110 5054264.nulluser.com,
John Deere wrote:
Scott Vernon wrote:

I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV


No one's keeping you here, in the USA. Leave tomorrow. Please.


Hey Scotti, looks like there's someone here (I mean Deere) who's even
dumber than you are.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Scott Vernon January 8th 05 01:31 AM

Yeah, saw that. I was gonna let it slide.

Scotty

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article

bHV0ZWZpc2s=.d91bf3a8f0febe2ebb293b5b29d8abdf@110 5054264.nulluser.com
,
John Deere wrote:
Scott Vernon wrote:

I wouldn't think it physically possible. Beside, why would

anyone
want to come to this crummy country?

SV


No one's keeping you here, in the USA. Leave tomorrow. Please.


Hey Scotti, looks like there's someone here (I mean Deere) who's

even
dumber than you are.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Bart Senior January 8th 05 01:52 AM

22 people? Do you any pictures of that?

"Overproof" wrote

I know how loaded my 30 footer was with 22 people aboard...... I doubt I
could have held twice as many... never mind 10 times as many.

CM




Overproof January 8th 05 02:11 AM


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
22 people? Do you any pictures of that?


Sure....

http://tinylink.com/?1cfkZk07Wd

there are a lot more down below in the salon. Note the keg tied off to the
mast.

CM



Joe January 8th 05 02:16 AM


Overproof wrote:
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
22 people? Do you any pictures of that?


Sure....

http://tinylink.com/?1cfkZk07Wd

there are a lot more down below in the salon. Note the keg tied off

to the
mast.

CM



Like a low rider full of Mexicans, including the keg!

Joe


Overproof January 8th 05 02:55 AM


"Joe" wrote in message

Like a low rider full of Mexicans, including the keg!


Ha Ha Ha.... Yeah.... the RCMP boat that pulled alongside just shook their
heads and decided it wasn't worth pulling us over for an inspection. The
officer asked me what I thought I was doing and I told him that the vessel
was properly equipped with sufficient lifejackets and 6 sober adult crew,
plus I had a full 'bedroom' , galley and salon below so I was within my
rights to proceed since that met the requirements for open alcohol
aboard..... of course what really did it was when one of the officer's
girlfriend came up from down below with an open beer..... now that was a
real display of the power of prime pussy.

CM




Scott Vernon January 8th 05 03:08 AM

"Joe" wrote in

http://tinylink.com/?1cfkZk07Wd

there are a lot more down below in the salon. Note the keg tied

off
to the
mast.

CM



Like a low rider full of Mexicans, including the keg!


ha ha. Did you see the fuzzy dice hanging from the pedestal?

SV




Overproof January 8th 05 03:25 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

ha ha. Did you see the fuzzy dice hanging from the pedestal?


Nice Try Scooter...... that's a Stuffed Parrot of the backstay..... it's a
real boat... tiller not wheel!

I'm willing to bet you have a speedball on your ship's wheel!

CM



bell January 8th 05 09:32 AM

Overproof wrote:
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
22 people? Do you any pictures of that?


Sure....

http://tinylink.com/?1cfkZk07Wd

there are a lot more down below in the salon. Note the keg tied
off to the mast.

CM


Return trip from Haiti?




Overproof January 8th 05 01:30 PM


"bell" wrote in message

Return trip from Haiti?


Escape from Back Bay

CM



bell January 8th 05 05:12 PM

Overproof wrote:
"bell" wrote in message

Return trip from Haiti?


Escape from Back Bay

CM


Same thing almost.



Scott Vernon January 8th 05 05:29 PM


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:ioIDd.43102$nN6.25344@edtnps84...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

ha ha. Did you see the fuzzy dice hanging from the pedestal?


Nice Try Scooter...... that's a Stuffed Parrot of the backstay.....

it's a
real boat... tiller not wheel!

I'm willing to bet you have a speedball on your ship's wheel!


Doesn't everybody?

Scotty



Martin Baxter January 10th 05 05:22 PM

Overproof wrote:
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...

22 people? Do you any pictures of that?



Sure....

http://tinylink.com/?1cfkZk07Wd

there are a lot more down below in the salon. Note the keg tied off to the
mast.


I like a man who's prepared for any eventuality; "in case of sinking drink contents and use
container for life raft"

Cheers
Marty

CM




Martin Baxter January 11th 05 12:49 PM

katysails wrote:
That picture reminds me oif one very stormy, windy night on A dock 3 years
or so ago when about 14 of us piled on a Catalina 30 and blasted around
White Lake....Max's wife was at the helm for awhile and the rest of us went
out to play ballast...there was a variety of adult beverages present...I
believe we were the only vessel out there except maybe a few foolish
fishermen who were probably plenty worried about us...


It's amazing how much canvas you can carry if you have enough rail meat isn't it?

Cheers
Marty


katysails January 12th 05 02:34 AM

Or how you really don'tare if you're that plowed...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
That picture reminds me oif one very stormy, windy night on A dock 3
years or so ago when about 14 of us piled on a Catalina 30 and blasted
around White Lake....Max's wife was at the helm for awhile and the rest
of us went out to play ballast...there was a variety of adult beverages
present...I believe we were the only vessel out there except maybe a few
foolish fishermen who were probably plenty worried about us...


It's amazing how much canvas you can carry if you have enough rail meat
isn't it?

Cheers
Marty





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