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Back from the Bay Area
Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then
again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. Sure rains a lot there this time of year. Max |
"Maxprop" wrote in message .net... Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. You would have had to visit the bath houses to run into Gaynz. CN |
See any boats sailing?
Scotty "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. Sure rains a lot there this time of year. Max |
I'm really glad you didn't bother to call. What a loser.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. Sure rains a lot there this time of year. Max |
"JG" wrote ... I'm really glad you didn't bother to call, since you're straight. --a loser, "j" ganz @@ www.gaynow.com |
The lying Scotti Potti rides again....
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote ... I'm really glad you didn't bother to call, since you're straight. --a loser, "j" ganz @@ www.gaynow.com |
Bob?
"JG" wrote in message ... The lying Scotti Potti rides again.... |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. Sure rains a lot there this time of year. See any boats sailing? A few. The weather really was cool and rainy most of the time. Always a few die-hard sailors, though. Walked the docks a bit in Sausalito, though, and saw some nice boats. And some junk. What was poignant were the freighters arriving from the Orient, loaded to the high waterlines. The ones leaving were showing about 20' of painted bottom. Trade deficit. Max |
"JG" wrote in message I'm really glad you didn't bother to call. What a loser. I was surrounded by enough wacko liberals. I didn't need to add another to the mix. Max |
Maxprop wrote:
Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. |
"John Deere" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. Bingo. Max |
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:08:26 -0000 (GMT), "John Deere"
wrote this crap: Maxprop wrote: Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. He might have been working a street corner, and all you could see was the back of his head. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Clearly, this is where Deere hangs out....
In article bHV0ZWZpc2s=.4c025472d0a5693c39aadd7eaba248c2@110 5135706.nulluser.com, John Deere wrote: Maxprop wrote: Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Did you have a "relationship" with Deere when you were out here?
In article t, Maxprop wrote: "John Deere" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. Bingo. Max -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Horass is a expert with this knowledge!
In article , Horvath wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:08:26 -0000 (GMT), "John Deere" wrote this crap: Maxprop wrote: Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Did you stroll down Castro St. at bar-closing time? If not, you weren't looking very hard for him. He might have been working a street corner, and all you could see was the back of his head. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Did you have a "relationship" with Deere when you were out here? Well, I took a look at the Bay Model in Sausalito. Spent some time at my brother's cabin in the Russian River area. Walked the beach at Jenner. Had dim sum on Clement Street. Saw some friends I haven't seen in 18 years. Attended a great NYE party. But never saw any deer(e). Max |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Was the bay model flowing or dry? Flowing. My understanding is that it hasn't been used for research since 2000, but it still is fully operational for tourists. The hydrogeologists, etc. now use computer models, which are more accurate, apparently. Max |
Last I was there, they were using it for research, so it must have
been pre-2000. It's definitely interesting. In article et, Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Was the bay model flowing or dry? Flowing. My understanding is that it hasn't been used for research since 2000, but it still is fully operational for tourists. The hydrogeologists, etc. now use computer models, which are more accurate, apparently. Max -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Last I was there, they were using it for research, so it must have been pre-2000. It's definitely interesting. One has to see it to believe it. Covers three acres under roof, and is amazingly accurate, with respect to depths, contours, etc. Fascination aside, I know far more about the Bay than I did before I saw the thing. Max |
In article et,
Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Last I was there, they were using it for research, so it must have been pre-2000. It's definitely interesting. One has to see it to believe it. Covers three acres under roof, and is amazingly accurate, with respect to depths, contours, etc. Fascination aside, I know far more about the Bay than I did before I saw the thing. It can make for some tricky sailing in some areas. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message In article et, Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Last I was there, they were using it for research, so it must have been pre-2000. It's definitely interesting. One has to see it to believe it. Covers three acres under roof, and is amazingly accurate, with respect to depths, contours, etc. Fascination aside, I know far more about the Bay than I did before I saw the thing. It can make for some tricky sailing in some areas. We noticed quite a few marinas up the rivers and canals that feed into the Bay. What are the common depths of those things? Is running aground a potential problem? And how do the slip rental fees of such marinas compare with those, say, in Sausalito or Berkley? (No, we aren't thinking of moving out there--your real estate values are off the scale. It would almost take a millionaire to move to SF these days.) Max |
In article et,
Maxprop wrote: We noticed quite a few marinas up the rivers and canals that feed into the Bay. What are the common depths of those things? Is running aground a potential problem? And how do the slip rental fees of such marinas compare with those, say, in Sausalito or Berkley? (No, we aren't thinking of moving out there--your real estate values are off the scale. It would almost take a millionaire to move to SF these days.) Definitely it's a depth issue on the rivers and canals. It's even an issue right off the main part of bay in spots... San Leandro, even places in Sausalito. Right around the corner from the Bay Model, you have be very careful to stay in the channel, even during high tide. I pay $150 for my 22' slip, which isn't too bad, given that it's a prime location (Sausalito). You can do significantly better than that when you're further out. Check http://www.latitude38.com/. I'm sure you'd find more reasonable rates. Bererkely isn't cheap either, but the really outrageous costs happen when you need over a 40' slip. They're really in demand, whereas the smaller ones like mine can be had just about anywhere. You don't need to be a millionaire to live in the bay area, but it sure does help. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote You don't need to be gay to live in the bay area, but it sure does help. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: We noticed quite a few marinas up the rivers and canals that feed into the Bay. What are the common depths of those things? Is running aground a potential problem? And how do the slip rental fees of such marinas compare with those, say, in Sausalito or Berkley? (No, we aren't thinking of moving out there--your real estate values are off the scale. It would almost take a millionaire to move to SF these days.) Definitely it's a depth issue on the rivers and canals. It's even an issue right off the main part of bay in spots... San Leandro, even places in Sausalito. Right around the corner from the Bay Model, you have be very careful to stay in the channel, even during high tide. Not surprising. What really impressed me is how shallow parts of the Bay are. The deepest hole is right under the GG Bridge, and it even flattens out somewhat out in the ocean. Guess I always thought something with a 8' draft would be okay in SF Bay, but perhaps not, unless you slip at the St. Francis, or somewhere similar. I pay $150 for my 22' slip, which isn't too bad, given that it's a prime location (Sausalito). You can do significantly better than that when you're further out. Check http://www.latitude38.com/. I'm sure you'd find more reasonable rates. Bererkely isn't cheap either, but the really outrageous costs happen when you need over a 40' slip. They're really in demand, whereas the smaller ones like mine can be had just about anywhere. That's not a bad price for your location. We chatted with one sailor on the dock at Sausalito--he claimed his 40' slip cost more than his monthly house payment. Must have bought his house years ago, or else he lives in the Tenderloin. You don't need to be a millionaire to live in the bay area, but it sure does help. We can't quite understand how so many seemingly average people can afford to live in SF proper. $700K barely buys an upper 5 there, and many of the people we saw in town didn't look like they could afford that sort of thing. Guess looks can be deceiving, or perhaps those we saw rent, rather than own. Max |
Maxprop wrote: Not surprising. What really impressed me is how shallow parts of the Bay are. The deepest hole is right under the GG Bridge, and it even flattens out somewhat out in the ocean. Guess I always thought something with a 8' draft would be okay in SF Bay, but perhaps not, unless you slip at the St. Francis, or somewhere similar. It's much better to have less. 8' would restrict you to only the deepest areas. I get nervous with a 6' draft where we are. The Yamaha 30 I believe has a 5.5. Sometimes it can't be moved on a very low tide. I pay $150 for my 22' slip, which isn't too bad, given that it's a prime location (Sausalito). You can do significantly better than that when you're further out. Check http://www.latitude38.com/. I'm sure you'd find more reasonable rates. Bererkely isn't cheap either, but the really outrageous costs happen when you need over a 40' slip. They're really in demand, whereas the smaller ones like mine can be had just about anywhere. That's not a bad price for your location. We chatted with one sailor on the dock at Sausalito--he claimed his 40' slip cost more than his monthly house payment. Must have bought his house years ago, or else he lives in the Tenderloin. It just went up, despite the deal I get with the marina. I believe 40' slips are about $600 per in the same marina (with the discount). You don't need to be a millionaire to live in the bay area, but it sure does help. We can't quite understand how so many seemingly average people can afford to live in SF proper. $700K barely buys an upper 5 there, and many of the people we saw in town didn't look like they could afford that sort of thing. Guess looks can be deceiving, or perhaps those we saw rent, rather than own. Max There are a lot of people in SF who are in rent controlled apartments. I know a couple of people who have nice places where they pay under $300/mo. It's a total rip off, but that's the way it is. Eventually, the owners get them out by converting to condos or something. Then, the rent changes to $3000/mo. Somewhat affordable property still exists in SF proper. I have a friend who paid $650 large for duplex in a choice location. It needed a bit of work, but as pretty much move in ready. Of course, this was a few years ago, so maybe things have changed. In Sausalito, the homes are in the millions, but there are some slightly lower cost places to be bought or rented. |
wrote in message Somewhat affordable property still exists in SF proper. I have a friend who paid $650 large for duplex in a choice location. It needed a bit of work, but as pretty much move in ready. Of course, this was a few years ago, so maybe things have changed. I think a lot of nice, smaller homes can still be had for that sort of cash, especially in Sunset or the area just over the hill from it, whatever it's called. But that kind of money buys a deluxe executive home in the 4,500 sq. ft. range around here. Back in the mid-80s, a professor of mine moved to Bloomington, IN (home of Indiana University) from an LA suburb. He sold his house for $700K, The most expensive home for sale in Bloomington at the time was only $350K, so he had to buy a condo in FL, too, to avoid paying capital gains. What's really funny is that his Bloomington house was double the size and far more luxurious than his LA home. He couldn't believe it. In Sausalito, the homes are in the millions, but there are some slightly lower cost places to be bought or rented. I considered buying a fixer-upper in Sausalito back in '84. It was not large, in poor condition, but had a fabulous view of Richardson Bay and Belvedere. It was only $300K at the time and probably a mega-bargain. I passed. We took a look at it last week, and it apparently was torn down and a newer house of (I'm guessing) 2500 sq. ft. now sits in its place, no doubt valued at $2million or so. Hindsight is 20/20. Max |
I hope you washed your hands!
Joe |
Maxprop wrote:
See any boats sailing? A few. The weather really was cool and rainy most of the time. Always a few die-hard sailors, though. Cool weather and rain doesn't stop any REAL sailor. Those that are not real sailors move to warm climates, like Key Largo, Florida, and hang out in their boats all day, occasionally using their cedar buckets and their imaginations. Lonny -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message Just returned from San Francisco and didn't see Mr. Ganz anywhere. Then again, I guess I didn't really look too hard. Sure rains a lot there this time of year. See any boats sailing? A few. The weather really was cool and rainy most of the time. Always a few die-hard sailors, though. Walked the docks a bit in Sausalito, though, and saw some nice boats. And some junk. What was poignant were the freighters arriving from the Orient, loaded to the high waterlines. The ones leaving were showing about 20' of painted bottom. Trade deficit. Max |
wrote in message wrote: Maxprop wrote: See any boats sailing? A few. The weather really was cool and rainy most of the time. Always a few die-hard sailors, though. Cool weather and rain doesn't stop any REAL sailor. That's why it was MaxProp who said it. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've really lost it, BB, but that's nothing new. Max |
I think he was trying to say that you didn't go sailing while you were out
here. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... wrote in message wrote: Maxprop wrote: See any boats sailing? A few. The weather really was cool and rainy most of the time. Always a few die-hard sailors, though. Cool weather and rain doesn't stop any REAL sailor. That's why it was MaxProp who said it. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've really lost it, BB, but that's nothing new. Max |
"JG" wrote in message I think he was trying to say that you didn't go sailing while you were out here. Don't you think it was presumptuous of him to assume I didn't? Max |
wrote in message It makes complete sense. About as much as you typically make, yeah. You are no sailor, How do you know what sort of sailor I am. We've never met (thankfully) and in lieu of actually knowing me, which you don't, you can only bluster and make false accusations. Which, come to think of it, is pretty much what you do best and most often. which is why you think those that go out sailing in the rain are somehow "diehards". Again you've assumed I wasn't including myself in that statement. What makes you think I wasn't sailing as well and describing myself? Of course the obvious answer is: you didn't think at all. You never do. Max |
You didn't mention it. Did you manage to? The weather was ****ty, but it's
improved quite a bit lately. I don't care either way, since I'm off to the BVI on Monday. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "JG" wrote in message I think he was trying to say that you didn't go sailing while you were out here. Don't you think it was presumptuous of him to assume I didn't? Max |
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:41:08 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: You didn't mention it. Did you manage to? The weather was ****ty, but it's improved quite a bit lately. I don't care either way, since I'm off to the BVI on Monday. Is "BVI" a code word for "pokey"? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
wrote in message I repeat: You are no sailor. Redundancy does nothing to lend veracity. You know nothing about me. If you did, you'd be embarrassed by your open-mouth / insert-foot stupidity. Enough said. You're simply not worth the effort of debate. Max |
"JG" wrote in message You didn't mention it. Did you manage to? The weather was ****ty, but it's improved quite a bit lately. I don't care either way, since I'm off to the BVI on Monday. A friend of my brother and sister-in-law has a 40' custom racer (circa the mid-90s, IMS, I believe, a Ron Holland design) slipped at the St. Frances YC. We did a quick circle of Alcatraz and a pass under the bridge, but the wind was light, it was misting (I believe you Bay Area folks call that 'fog'), and the owner's wife was complaining about being cold, so we cut the sail short. The boat was really impressive, though. We made 8kts. in 12-14 kts. of wind on a broad reach with main and a smallish 130%. Upwind it handled wonderfully, but off the wind I thought it was squirrelly. But then I sail a full-keel boat, and I suspect that makes a bit of difference. His winches were monstrous Lewmars, making tacks ridiculously easy, almost without a winch handle. I liked the boat a lot. There were only about 4 other sailboats on the Bay, but lots of freighters and the ubiquitous tour boats. If you'll still be in the BVI on the 25th, be sure to take in a full moon party (take that with either definition) at Bomba's on Tortola, or Foxy's on Jost. Have fun, you lucky *******. g Max |
It's code for Horvath is stupid.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:41:08 -0800, "JG" wrote this crap: You didn't mention it. Did you manage to? The weather was ****ty, but it's improved quite a bit lately. I don't care either way, since I'm off to the BVI on Monday. Is "BVI" a code word for "pokey"? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Thanks. I'm not sure we'll go to Foxy's, as it's a bit too disco for me.
We'll probably go to Little Harbor. This is our 6th trip. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "JG" wrote in message You didn't mention it. Did you manage to? The weather was ****ty, but it's improved quite a bit lately. I don't care either way, since I'm off to the BVI on Monday. A friend of my brother and sister-in-law has a 40' custom racer (circa the mid-90s, IMS, I believe, a Ron Holland design) slipped at the St. Frances YC. We did a quick circle of Alcatraz and a pass under the bridge, but the wind was light, it was misting (I believe you Bay Area folks call that 'fog'), and the owner's wife was complaining about being cold, so we cut the sail short. The boat was really impressive, though. We made 8kts. in 12-14 kts. of wind on a broad reach with main and a smallish 130%. Upwind it handled wonderfully, but off the wind I thought it was squirrelly. But then I sail a full-keel boat, and I suspect that makes a bit of difference. His winches were monstrous Lewmars, making tacks ridiculously easy, almost without a winch handle. I liked the boat a lot. There were only about 4 other sailboats on the Bay, but lots of freighters and the ubiquitous tour boats. If you'll still be in the BVI on the 25th, be sure to take in a full moon party (take that with either definition) at Bomba's on Tortola, or Foxy's on Jost. Have fun, you lucky *******. g Max |
"JG" wrote in message Thanks. I'm not sure we'll go to Foxy's, as it's a bit too disco for me. We'll probably go to Little Harbor. This is our 6th trip. About time to hang a new t-shirt at Sidney's Peace and Love? Max |
"JG" wrote in message Thanks. I'm not sure we'll go to Foxy's, as it's a bit too disco for me. We'll probably go to Little Harbor. This is our 6th trip. What company are you chartering with, and what boat? Max |
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