You need to get out more Dave. I just heard it on NPR. Teri Gross
interviewed the author of The State of Working American 2004/2005.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:17:24 -0800, "JG" said:

You mean like the tax cut improving productivity, when in fact the reverse
has happened?

Sorry, Jon, you're just plain wrong here, unless you propose to argue that
the increase in productivity over the last 4 years is the result of some
other factor than the tax cut. Those of us who read the financial press
rather than the liberals' propaganda sheets know that productivity has
been
increasing.

NPR is pure, unadulterated, leftist pap. No wonder you liberals
have little idea how the real world operates. You brainwash yourselves
with propaganda. Sad that you waste your brains away like that.

CN


"JG" wrote in message ...
You need to get out more Dave. I just heard it on NPR. Teri Gross
interviewed the author of The State of Working American 2004/2005.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:17:24 -0800, "JG" said:

You mean like the tax cut improving productivity, when in fact the reverse
has happened?

Sorry, Jon, you're just plain wrong here, unless you propose to argue that
the increase in productivity over the last 4 years is the result of some
other factor than the tax cut. Those of us who read the financial press
rather than the liberals' propaganda sheets know that productivity has
been
increasing.

Dave wrote:
Sorry, Jon, you're just plain wrong here, unless you propose to argue that
the increase in productivity over the last 4 years is the result of some
other factor than the tax cut.

There's been an increase in productivity?


... Those of us who read the financial press
rather than the liberals' propaganda sheets know that productivity has been
increasing.



Quotes, please. I'd particularly like to see references proving that
productivity increases from 2000 - 2004 are geater than productivity
increases 1994 - 2000.

We have had an increase in debt, both public and private, which is
greater than the increase in GDP. We have had an increase in the
imbalance of trade. We have had a decrease in jobs, and a decrease in
average real income.

I bet that you'll either ignore this post, with it's inconvenient facts,
or else quibble over definitions and declare that you've "won" ... and
then repeat that liberals are all wrong etc etc.

DSK

Dave wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:17:24 -0800, "JG" said:


You mean like the tax cut improving productivity, when in fact the reverse
has happened?


Sorry, Jon, you're just plain wrong here, unless you propose to argue that
the increase in productivity over the last 4 years is the result of some
other factor than the tax cut. Those of us who read the financial press
rather than the liberals' propaganda sheets know that productivity has been
increasing.


You're right. You just can't trust the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

They don't publish very detailed numbers for recent years, but the
"output per hour" numbers show little increase (if any) in the last 4
years. Manufacturing may be slightly better than business, but this is
offset by the loss of manufacturing jobs.

http://www.bls.gov/lpc/home.htm

The specific promise of the tax cuts was an increase in quality jobs;
this simply has not happened. The primary affect of the tax cuts has
been to put more money in the pockets of the wealthiest 1%.

hey Gaynz, you forgot my apple pie yesterday.

SV

"JG" wrote in message
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Both are true. There's no contradiction. Of course, you would have
had to
graduate from Jr. High to know that.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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How come when it suits, you foreigners claim the USA is in
financial
trouble and the dollar is going down, BUT when you feel we're not
sending enough aid somewhere, we're the wealthiest country in the
world?



"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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When did natural disasters become a sporting event?


Huh?

I'm objecting to the sense of moral superiority that is emanating
from the
stingiest donors.


I'm objecting to the ''we sent more aid than you, nya, nya''
attitude.
Shouldn't it be enough that we, along with countless others are
helping?

Do you think the volunteers digging out bodies are keeping score?

Scotty






You've got 25% of the planet's welath - and you're not afraid to
boast about
it. For God's sake, don't boast about contributing less than
15%
of the
aid that has been promised.


Regards


Donal
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:11:53 -0800, "JG" said:


I just heard it on NPR


And we know NPR always gets things right, right?

From http://www.econop.org/pressreleases/stateof.htm.

"The study finds that despite recent economic gains, the living standards of
the typical American worker have not fully recovered from the early 1990s
recession _nor benefited from the overall growth in productivity_."

So it looks like either he misspoke or you misheard.

No. You misread. The book, and the statement you quote, is referring
to the time period 1998-1999, and was posted several years ago. The
quote on NPR referred to the last 4 years.

The speaker was one author of this book:
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/books_swa2004

Dave wrote:
Can't really quibble with your definitions since you didn't define
productivity. (Productivity was the subject of the post, not debt, trade
balance, employment or real income.) It's generally understood to mean
output per hour of labor input.

I see.

So touting a "productivity increase" is supposed to make up for all the
other negative factors in the current economy?




Typically it increases as employment falls, continues to rise for a period
after employment increases, and then falls as employment increases further.

???

According to whom or what?

By definition, if GDP rises while man-hours employed remains constant,
or if GDP stays constant while man-hours employed falls, then
"productivity" rises. However if laborers are forced to work off the
clock, or physical production is moved overseas and yet included in our
GDP, or if flipping burgers is redefined as "industrial production,"
then a proclaimed "rise in productivity" doesn't mean a darn thing.


There comes a point at which adding more people comes more and more to
resemble pushing on a string.


Yep.

The question is, which end of the string are you on?

Regards
Doug King

See Jeff's post. Sorry Dave.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:11:53 -0800, "JG" said:

I just heard it on NPR

And we know NPR always gets things right, right?

From http://www.econop.org/pressreleases/stateof.htm.

"The study finds that despite recent economic gains, the living standards
of
the typical American worker have not fully recovered from the early 1990s
recession _nor benefited from the overall growth in productivity_."

So it looks like either he misspoke or you misheard.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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How come when it suits, you foreigners

I'm not a foreigner! You are. In fact, you're not really a proper
foreigner. You're an ex-colonial, which is a bit better than a complete
foreigner.

Proper foreigners cannot understand English.

claim the USA is in financial
trouble and the dollar is going down, BUT when you feel we're not
sending enough aid somewhere, we're the wealthiest country in the
world?

Goof grief! Are you playing the "victim" card again?
The falling dollar is helping your economy.

The Tsunami killed 50% more innocent people in a day, than Bush did in a
year! Think about it.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote

I'm not a foreigner! You are. In fact, you're not really a proper
foreigner. You're an ex-colonial, which is a bit better than a
complete
foreigner.

I'm an American!



Proper foreigners cannot understand English.

We speak American here.



claim the USA is in financial
trouble and the dollar is going down, BUT when you feel we're not
sending enough aid somewhere, we're the wealthiest country in the
world?

Goof grief! Are you playing the "victim" card again?

No, I'm mearly pointing out your flip flopping ways. Mmmm, who was
that flip flopping loser that lost the election? Forgot his name
already.



The Tsunami killed 50% more innocent people in a day, than Bush did
in a
year! Think about it.

For how long?

Scotty