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Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Sorry, Mr. king but NOBODY has been able to demonstrate scientifically that dowsing is anything but a crock of hock. I suppose that depends on your ideas about "scientific proof." Some people are notoriously hard to convince, just look at the public convictions about evolution & global warming. In any event, I know of about a dozen properties which had poor wells, where several different drillers failed to improve the situation, and a dowser found a spot where water was much closer and flowed at a greater rate. The amazing Randi has a longstanding million dollar prize to be claimed by anybody who, under controlled scientific conditions that they can do anything paranormal. Dowsing is included. How are you going to have "controlled scientific circumstances" in well drilling? Build an artificial continent? ... Nobody has claimed the prize for over a dozen years now. What does that tell you? That the Amazing Randi probably doesn't really have a million dollars. In any event, I would not go so far as to say it can be "scientifically proven" that dowsing works. Only that some people have a sense for it, and it's quite rare. Just the same way that some people can (occasionally) tell what cards are in another person's hand... DSK |
Isn't about time you came to visit your friends in Greenville? Heck, I
could show you where I broke my leg in half... OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:13:41 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Having suffered frostbite, I'd guess that yes, it would be less painful... OzOne wrote in message . .. Is that less painful than frostbite? :-) Ya want me to tell you about Syd today? 26 degrees, not a cloud in the sky, 15-20kts ENE (seabreeze), humidity 42%, Murraya flowering in the yard as are the Hibiscus and Gardenia :-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out...
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:MiQxd.19395$F25.14259@okepread07... "Scott Vernon" wrote: 5°, wind chill -8° here. Blew like stink all night. Supposed to get up to 21° today. Maybe it will be warmer in upstate NY? At midnight the temp got down to a chilling 50 deg. Farenheit. But it's supposed to turn cold tomorrow with the highs in the 50's. On Wednesday morning we are supposed to get snow in most of the state. My boys are ecstatic, but I'm thinking about Florida. :-) LP |
We didn't have many this year...it never got warm enough for them to
incubate...of course, the threat of West Nile went way down... "DSK" wrote in message ... katysails wrote: Don't be such a wuss, Doug....you only get that kind of weather a few times a decade...it's normal here... Yep. That's one reason why I live here instead of there. OTOH we will finally get rid of the mosquitoes in the back yard, which managed to hang on through the last near-freeze. DSK |
No...a douse is necessary....it costs much more to rill through large rocks
than it does through pea gravel or sand....and there are several water tables...you have to find the clean one...our well is 200 ft down because the water table at 70 ft is brackish and undrinkable... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Duh! Like I said, there is a water table. It does not vary more than a foot or so in its level. No matter where you drill you will hit it. A dowser is unnecessary. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... Almost all well diggers in these parts claim dowsing ability....and of course you drill where there's a water table...that's the point of dowsing..to find the best place to drill... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I hope you did not pay for the witchcraft of dowsing. As an intelligent person, if you paid you got ripped off. Wells are drilled into a water table. Where you place your well is of little concern because the water in the water table will be within a foot or two of being lever. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... Oue well was dowsed... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Oh Jeez, What's next? A discussion of dowsing? CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... John, It is rather simple, stick the thumb into the folded fingers to the first knuckle and hold it at arms length. That will give you a 10 degree spread. Each knuckle is two degrees. Top of the knuckle to the hollow between 1 degree, half way up or down is a 1/2 degree. If your sighting is between I say plus or minus. ( When voyaging, a 1/2 degree will get you to 30 miles. A minus gets you inside 30, a plus over 30. To Calib. your fist and arm, stand in the corner of a room and count how many fist it takes to get 90 degrees. Ten should do it for most people but it will let you know what your fist represents Kind of a fun and easy way to check out things that are happening around you. So as of tomorrow the Sun will be 23 1/2 degrees below the Equator. Subtract that from your local GMT Noon reading and you should have your local Latitude. Not sure where your located but St John is about 45 degrees (4&1/2 fists) minus 2 fists and 1 & 1/2 knuckles should be the local sighting (2 Fists and 1 knckle) Give it a try and a laugh at Ole Thom |
That God exists...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Sorry, Mr. king but NOBODY has been able to demonstrate scientifically that dowsing is anything but a crock of hock. The amazing Randi has a longstanding million dollar prize to be claimed by anybody who, under controlled scientific conditions that they can do anything paranormal. Dowsing is included. Nobody has claimed the prize for over a dozen years now. What does that tell you? CN "DSK" wrote in message ... Thom Stewart wrote: Have to agree CN, The Dowsers usually find the spot where they want to drill. I was first shown it with a man and two bent brass rods. Then I had a welder in the maintenance shop bend two pieces of brazing rods and ask me were I wanted to find water. He could make those tips come together anytime and any place he wanted. He could make them come together right where he was standing in the weld shop by just shuffling his feet without changing his physical location. Then he held out his hand for his Dowsing fee. He taught me how to do it, for free. Ole Thom P/S The believers still believed, saying there was water under the maintenance shop It's not much of a trick to make the brass, or hickory, or whatever, appear to dip at the spot you want the well. The trick is to be able to locate the spot where water will be found closest to the surface, and where it will flow the easiest. Probably out of everybody who claims to be a dowser, maybe one out of fifty or a hundred will actually have some perception of where to drill the best well. I've seen it done here in NC and a few spots in New England. Regards Doug King |
Well, you're a wuss, too, so I suppose you shouldn't talk about others...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message ... Don't be such a wuss, Doug....you only get that kind of weather a few times a decade...it's normal here... Mr. King cannot help being a wuss. It's just the way all those over-the-hill trawler people are. If he were anything but a wuss he'd still be sailing. CN |
Well, next June then,....Michael should be here then...
OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:03:47 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Isn't about time you came to visit your friends in Greenville? Heck, I could show you where I broke my leg in half... Yeah, I keep waiting for it to warm up :-) One of my expat yank friends are sending their son to college in MI next year. It's her old school. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:48 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... I hope it doesn't ruin my grapefruit crop. They should be ripe soon. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Katy is slightly misinformed.
The wind has come around from the East and warm ocean breezes have warmed up the peninsula. It's in the fifties even north of here. Here in the Keys it's in the low seventies/high sixties as I write this. CN "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:48 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... I hope it doesn't ruin my grapefruit crop. They should be ripe soon. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Warmer than it is now...
OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:32:25 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Well, next June then,....Michael should be here then... Will it be warm then ;-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
I suggest you look at the 5 day forecast for the lows....I realize that this
is far north of you, but it is in FL...and the orange growers were all bemoaning crop freeze on the news today... but then, you're only in touch with a very minute portion of the world...http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Pensacola.html "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy is slightly misinformed. The wind has come around from the East and warm ocean breezes have warmed up the peninsula. It's in the fifties even north of here. Here in the Keys it's in the low seventies/high sixties as I write this. CN "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:48 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... I hope it doesn't ruin my grapefruit crop. They should be ripe soon. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Only got down to 38 here but it was up to 68
Just north it did freeze but the high was in the lower 60s katysails wrote: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... "Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:MiQxd.19395$F25.14259@okepread07... "Scott Vernon" wrote: 5°, wind chill -8° here. Blew like stink all night. Supposed to get up to 21° today. Maybe it will be warmer in upstate NY? At midnight the temp got down to a chilling 50 deg. Farenheit. But it's supposed to turn cold tomorrow with the highs in the 50's. On Wednesday morning we are supposed to get snow in most of the state. My boys are ecstatic, but I'm thinking about Florida. :-) LP |
katysails wrote:
I suggest you look at the 5 day forecast for the lows....I realize that this is far north of you, but it is in FL...and the orange growers were all bemoaning crop freeze on the news today... but then, you're only in touch with a very minute portion of the world...http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Pensacola.html They don't grow citrus in Pensacola. Actually very little citrus is grown north of Ocala or Gainsville "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy is slightly misinformed. The wind has come around from the East and warm ocean breezes have warmed up the peninsula. It's in the fifties even north of here. Here in the Keys it's in the low seventies/high sixties as I write this. CN "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:48 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... I hope it doesn't ruin my grapefruit crop. They should be ripe soon. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Anything above 50 is positive...
OzOne wrote in message ... Jeez, a postive heatwave! On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:42:18 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Warmer than it is now... OzOne wrote in message . .. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:32:25 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Well, next June then,....Michael should be here then... Will it be warm then ;-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
I was speaking of FL citrus growers in general....ATT had a news blurb about
damage to vegetation and orange groves if the freezing temps remained longer than 4 hrs. "Bell" wrote in message ... katysails wrote: I suggest you look at the 5 day forecast for the lows....I realize that this is far north of you, but it is in FL...and the orange growers were all bemoaning crop freeze on the news today... but then, you're only in touch with a very minute portion of the world...http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Pensacola.html They don't grow citrus in Pensacola. Actually very little citrus is grown north of Ocala or Gainsville "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Katy is slightly misinformed. The wind has come around from the East and warm ocean breezes have warmed up the peninsula. It's in the fifties even north of here. Here in the Keys it's in the low seventies/high sixties as I write this. CN "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:48 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: Florida had a freeze last night and has more freeze warnings out... I hope it doesn't ruin my grapefruit crop. They should be ripe soon. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
What about 'Bloody Point'? Cape Fear?
Others? "DSK" wrote in message ... Yeah, but what about the WIND!?! OzOne wrote: Perfect! OK, if it makes you feel better, I envy you. This is one of the few times I will say it is DEFINITELY too cold around here to sailing. BTW do you feel safe sailing around a place called "Port Hacking"?? DSK |
BTW do you feel safe sailing around a place called "Port Hacking"??
Scott Vernon wrote: What about 'Bloody Point'? Cape Fear? I've never sailed around Cape Fear. Raced near it several times. But it's one of those "soft capes" with no scary rocks... it does have currents that drag you up onto it. Bloody Pt is no big deal AFAIK. How about Sharkfin? Wolf Trap? My personal favorite is Cape Lookout... aptly named! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
OzOne wrote in message Jeez, a postive heatwave! Katy's being disingenuous, Oz. It was colder than the Yukon in January this June in Michigan. Max |
"katysails" wrote in message Anything above 50 is positive... Yeah, and it was a damn shame we didn't see much of that this past June, eh? Max |
"DSK" wrote in message ... BTW do you feel safe sailing around a place called "Port Hacking"?? Scott Vernon wrote: What about 'Bloody Point'? Cape Fear? I've never sailed around Cape Fear. Raced near it several times. But it's one of those "soft capes" with no scary rocks... it does have currents that drag you up onto it. Bloody Pt is no big deal AFAIK. How about Sharkfin? Wolf Trap? My personal favorite is Cape Lookout... aptly named! Been around Bloody Point. Also in the Chessie, ''Point No Point''. Wonder who named that? Scotty |
Yeah, but that was just a freak of nature...it's usually no colder than
Moscow in December... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... OzOne wrote in message Jeez, a postive heatwave! Katy's being disingenuous, Oz. It was colder than the Yukon in January this June in Michigan. Max |
I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting...
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Anything above 50 is positive... Yeah, and it was a damn shame we didn't see much of that this past June, eh? Max |
You had frost on your hair? Hint: it's coaming. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Anything above 50 is positive... Yeah, and it was a damn shame we didn't see much of that this past June, eh? Max |
hint: spell check didn't like that word...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... You had frost on your hair? Hint: it's coaming. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Anything above 50 is positive... Yeah, and it was a damn shame we didn't see much of that this past June, eh? Max |
Silly! Simply add it to the spell check dictionary.
CN "katysails" wrote in message ... hint: spell check didn't like that word... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... You had frost on your hair? Hint: it's coaming. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Anything above 50 is positive... Yeah, and it was a damn shame we didn't see much of that this past June, eh? Max |
"katysails" wrote in message I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... I'll bet it was fun clambering into an ice cold dinghy and rowing out to the boat, eh? Max |
"katysails" wrote in message hint: spell check didn't like that word... hint: one has to educate spell check to nautical terms. |
"Martin Baxter" wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote: Duh! Like I said, there is a water table. It does not vary more than a foot or so in its level. No matter where you drill you will hit it. A dowser is unnecessary. Gotta agree with you there Cappy; when we had our well drilled the drillers asked us where we would like our well and I pointed out a location about 10' out from the house. The guy gets out his dowsing tools (two pieces of coathanger wire) and proceeds to wander around eventully stopping right over the spot I wanted, the wires suddenly cross and he tells me I'm really lucky, there is water right where I wanted it. My nightbors had the same guy do their well, same story, funny thing though, the water in both wells was found at 65'! Uri Geller couldn't have done better. A 65 foot well? I don't have much experience in drilling wells, but when I lived in North Georgia in the Appliancian Mountains near Blue Ridge, they had to re-drill to 3000 feet. They remarked about having to do this miracle, but I didn't have a clew (nautical content) about what the average well would be... I lived on top of a large mountain, and I guess it was par for the course? LP |
You get used to it...we were fortunate enough to get a spot on the dock for
the dinghy so ayt least I didn't have to get otu and wade to drag it in....the trip back from the boat is almost always agaisnt the wind...if there's waves it can be quite "fun" two strokes forward, one drift back.... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... I'll bet it was fun clambering into an ice cold dinghy and rowing out to the boat, eh? Max |
For what its' Worth.
The Solstice Season; That is the Time the Sun seems to hang in the Sky. This is caused by the Earth motion around the Sun with its tilted axis. It set up the Sun to rise and fall in the sky. The true action is in a sine wave, with the Solstice periods being the top and bottoms of this wave. the time period being about 27 days. Half of that time going into the Solstice and the other half coming out. So what this means is we'll see a gradual rising of the sun in the sky. This will seem the be a gradual rise. About 8 days for the first degree and increasing until it is about 4 days/ degree (actual 3.7} It is this action that the Sun/Time Tables are set up from. This knowledge makes it possible to use the extended arm and closed fist for ball park sightings at local noons. You don't need Time period tables or sextant. You won't be any where as accurate but with practices you can get close. So, watch the Sun's rise in the Summer Sky at noon. A good time for mid-day cup of coffee Ole Thom |
Northwest weather; as of 6:AM
Temp 30 degrees F Humidity 100% Wind 0 FOG I thought it was bad until I turned on the TV Weather. To you people in the Eastern half of the Country. WOW!! Survive! Called my Brother-in-Law in Philly and he said it was raining and forecast for 60 degrees. So to the rest; MERRY WHITE CHRISTMAS From Ole Thom |
Good for you. Nice to hear you row instead of motor.
Rowing is very good for toning up those arm and chest muscles. Rowing will even make your breasts sag less. CN "katysails" wrote in message ... You get used to it...we were fortunate enough to get a spot on the dock for the dinghy so ayt least I didn't have to get otu and wade to drag it in....the trip back from the boat is almost always agaisnt the wind...if there's waves it can be quite "fun" two strokes forward, one drift back.... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message I thought the frost patterns on the combing were quite interesting... I'll bet it was fun clambering into an ice cold dinghy and rowing out to the boat, eh? Max |
Your experience proves dowsing is all a big hoax.
You lived atop a large mountain. Most every mountain in that part of the country has caves and underground streams, lakes, etc. along with springs. If dowsing really worked, the dowser should have been able to find water existing in sufficient quantity well above the water table. If dowsing were real, the dowser should have found an underground lake in a cave into which to drill. That you had to drill all the way to the water table proves dowsers are frauds. CN "Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:NGvyd.21905$F25.2899@okepread07... "Martin Baxter" wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote: Duh! Like I said, there is a water table. It does not vary more than a foot or so in its level. No matter where you drill you will hit it. A dowser is unnecessary. Gotta agree with you there Cappy; when we had our well drilled the drillers asked us where we would like our well and I pointed out a location about 10' out from the house. The guy gets out his dowsing tools (two pieces of coathanger wire) and proceeds to wander around eventully stopping right over the spot I wanted, the wires suddenly cross and he tells me I'm really lucky, there is water right where I wanted it. My nightbors had the same guy do their well, same story, funny thing though, the water in both wells was found at 65'! Uri Geller couldn't have done better. A 65 foot well? I don't have much experience in drilling wells, but when I lived in North Georgia in the Appliancian Mountains near Blue Ridge, they had to re-drill to 3000 feet. They remarked about having to do this miracle, but I didn't have a clew (nautical content) about what the average well would be... I lived on top of a large mountain, and I guess it was par for the course? LP |
Thom.. ole salt.. Take us thru the fist procedure ,, step by step.. with explanations following each step. THanks -- Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea! Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_ Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___ q |
"katysails" wrote in message You get used to it...we were fortunate enough to get a spot on the dock for the dinghy so ayt least I didn't have to get otu and wade to drag it in....the trip back from the boat is almost always agaisnt the wind...if there's waves it can be quite "fun" two strokes forward, one drift back.... We bought a 3hp Mercury this past summer, and it's a godsend when heading into wind and wave. It only weighs about 35lbs. so it's a snap to carry and put on the dink. If your dinghy sits at the dock, you could leave such a motor attached. It would make life a lot easier. Max |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Good for you. Nice to hear you row instead of motor. Rowing is very good for toning up those arm and chest muscles. Rowing will even make your breasts sag less. Do your breasts sag less, thanks to rowing, Cappy? Max |
"Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message Good for you. Nice to hear you row instead of motor. Rowing is very good for toning up those arm and chest muscles. Rowing will even make your breasts sag less. Do your breasts sag less, thanks to rowing, Cappy? Must you gay up every post? |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message I've had a three point three Mariner on my dinghy for the past seven or eight years. It's a great little motor. Mine even has the shifter for putting it in neutral. It just runs and runs. All I've had to put in it are a couple of spark plugs and a couple of water pump impellers. Your engine is the same mill as my Mercury, just with different graphics. Yeah, neutral is nice to have. They are great little kickers, and economical to operate as you point out. Max |
"katysails" wrote in message Our dinghy would sink with a motor on back...it's a very precarious thing, our dinghy... I don't recall--is yours a hard dink? A little kicker shouldn't bother it any, as long as you both don't sit on the transom knees. g Max |
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