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Overproof December 15th 04 07:12 PM

Sorry man... I just don't see anything on that page that indicates a Tablet
and Pen.

Here is the Tinylink to the page I get

http://tinylink.com/?K7uAnGrbMB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=WAI29X12P&is=
REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=234412

The above link works fine. Copy and paste.

RB




Overproof December 15th 04 07:17 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
So is Corel Draw, Paint Shop Pro, iGraphix Design Suite.... sheesh I could
go on.


No, Mooron. Elements was LIFTED lock stock and barrel out of PS. They are
both
from Adobe. Adobe essentially created Elements in the wake of PSLE, which
had
been a giveaway with many cameras and scanners. Elements is expanded, but
operates just like photoshop, duplicating keystokes and so on.
I have Paintshop pro and it's a different program with it's own learning
curve.


Yeah but if you have a full version of Photoshop on your computer... why
bother with Elements program? I'll have a look when I pick up my G4 this
week. I'm getting a freebie from my lil'Bro. It'll have a mess of full
graphics onboard.

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 07:23 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Excitable aren't you..... you don't have a full blown version of
Photoshop
Bob.... if a plug -in is required.... then down load it.


Bwahahahahaha! Sooo busted. Okay, Mooron! I don't have a computer either!


Don't feel badly..... I don't even like Photoshop. It's just not realistic
to have a full licensed version when you're not in the business. I have a
full version / license from my brother.... if I want to use it. He ha six
stations ... I prefer iGrafix actually..... it allows raster and vector work
within the corresponding apps and it's much better suited to an IBM platform
than Photoshop... which was as you know... designed for a Mac and adapted
for IBM later on.

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 07:24 PM

Time for boat toys ....

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Some peoples fortunes remain the same... mine improved drastically. I'm
happy to announce I do not owe anyone anything anymore. No Visa, no loan,
house is paid off, car & truck is paid off, I have money in the bank and
work for next year. I am totally debt free. It's a wonderful feeling.

Congrats!!! Treat yourself to something nice.

RB




Bobsprit December 15th 04 07:24 PM

Yeah but if you have a full version of Photoshop on your computer... why
bother with Elements program?

I have Elements 3.0 on my Notebook computer, which only has a small HD. Only
the new computer with it's 200GB drive has PS. It will open the NEF files with
the Nikon View download and does everything I need. I don't use PS's higher end
features.
This is just silly. You're actually bothering with this thread after I smashed
you in the others. It's over Mooron. But leave those forks (must be about 50)
stuck in your backside as a reminder!

RB

Bobsprit December 15th 04 07:29 PM

Bwahahahahaha! Sooo busted. Okay, Mooron! I don't have a computer either!

Don't feel badly..... I don't even like Photoshop. It's just not realistic
to have a full licensed version when you're not in the business.

I use photoshop for my JOB, Mooron. I also use Quark for my JOB. Both programs
were provided for me.

RB

Overproof December 15th 04 07:42 PM


wrote in message Oh for crying out load,
Foorkon! Go to that page, and then copy and
paste the rest of the link after the end of the part of the link that
is in your address bar:

REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=234412

Please don't EVER try to tell us of your technical expertise again.
You simply haven't any.


Geez Bill... take a pill.... I copied the whole link ... without the []
since I did it off of Bob's post... the page I got has no tablet on it... I
at least had the decency to provide a "TinyLink" url to the page I got.

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 07:47 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Yeah but if you have a full version of Photoshop on your computer... why
bother with Elements program?

I have Elements 3.0 on my Notebook computer, which only has a small HD.
Only
the new computer with it's 200GB drive has PS. It will open the NEF files
with
the Nikon View download and does everything I need. I don't use PS's
higher end
features.
This is just silly. You're actually bothering with this thread after I
smashed
you in the others. It's over Mooron. But leave those forks (must be about
50)
stuck in your backside as a reminder!


Not a fork in sight Bob..... Now a few questions ... why do you have such
an old Notebook?? Why do you download to a Notebook with like 8 megs of
video memory when your desktop must have at least 128 or more never mind a
minimum of 500 megs ram? Why would you want to edit photos on your
Notebook?

Heh maybe... you dropped the fork and sat on it... but it hasn't penetrated
the fat layer yet?

CM






Overproof December 15th 04 07:50 PM

Heh... that worked... now wasn't that easy!

Wacom.... big deal. I thought you had some fancy rig I wasn't aware of
yet... that's like providing a link to a MicroSoft Mouse.

It's cool to flip the pen and erase what you've just entered though!

CM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/4t97d

Use that link. You don't know how to use a computer. Seriously.

RB




Overproof December 15th 04 07:53 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Bwahahahahaha! Sooo busted. Okay, Mooron! I don't have a computer either!


Don't feel badly..... I don't even like Photoshop. It's just not realistic
to have a full licensed version when you're not in the business.

I use photoshop for my JOB, Mooron. I also use Quark for my JOB. Both
programs
were provided for me.


You use Quark?.... what Mac do you have Bob? You know of course what Quark
is used for don't you? Considering your formatting skills ... which cast a
shadow of doubt on your abilities to utilize Quark.... I'm thinking you are
slightly side-stepping the facts here.

Oh jeez... I can hear Bill barking already!

CM



Bobsprit December 15th 04 08:02 PM

Wacom.... big deal. I thought you had some fancy rig I wasn't aware of
yet... that's like providing a link to a MicroSoft Mouse.

It's cool to flip the pen and erase what you've just entered though!

That tablet is far more capable than any you've used. You simply are out of the
loop. This is a very common tool. If you tried one you'd buy it. I plan to.

RB

Overproof December 15th 04 08:05 PM


wrote in message

I used the link that Bob provided, and went right to the correct page.
How do you use all that "high end graphics software" if you can't even
do a simple copy and paste without completely forking it up?


Easy for you.... you're using the same computer!

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:13 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Not a fork in sight Bob..... Now a few questions ... why do you have such
an old Notebook??

It's a Celeron 1GHZ with 10gig HD. It's also the boat computer. I'm in no
hurry
to replace it, because it does what I need. I do have a new notebook (5
months
old), but Suzanne is using that for school. Why?


Well editing photos would assume you'd want the highest end computer to
handle the data..... I guess using an old notebook to download and edit
your photos for your "job" is okay if you have inordinate amount of time and
easy going clients. Personally... I'd download to the biggest and best
equipped computer I had available to manipulate all those photos.

What do you have for your newest Notebook Bob? ...and what is the make of
the one you are using? I have an old beater... Acer 521 Travelmate P3
600Mhz.... okay for the field... but I always bring a mainframe with me for
the field office.

I'm thinking of a Toshiba, Acer or Dell..... but Alienware has a nice one
available as well.

Maybe I'll investigate the SFF Rigs and a Flat Screen....


CM


CM



Bobsprit December 15th 04 08:23 PM

Well editing photos would assume you'd want the highest end computer to
handle the data..... I guess using an old notebook to download and edit
your photos for your "job" is okay if you have inordinate amount of time and
easy going clients.


What are you babling about. I don't use the notebook for my job. I said it was
the boat computer, All the same, Adobe Elements has no trouble handling RAW NEF
from the nikon because it has ample memory. Not as fast as the desktop, but
still fine. My desktop is a 3.2 200 gig HP with dual DVD burners and analogue
video conversion. I also have an external video drive. Yet the lowly old
notebook is just fine for casual use.
I'm sure you think you have a point to make. Perhaps you'll clue everyone in?

RB

Overproof December 15th 04 08:28 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
do a simple copy and paste without completely forking it up?


Easy for you.... you're using the same computer!

I have three computers (2 HPs, one Mac) online. What kind does Bill have?


What kind of Mac do you have.... and what OS are you currently using on
it???

I'm only asking because a few combos of Mac and versions of their OSs really
slow the units down.

G3?.... G4?...... G5???.....

BTW - HP suck backwash so bad as to be laughable.... talk about your off the
shelf ****boxes!

I built my own... Lian Li case... 2.4 Gig P4, Igig Ram. 128 gig Video, Asus
Mobo.... it's kickin'!
The Viewsonic UltraBrite A90f+ is just one of the best CRTs I ever had the
pleasure to own.

My other work computer is a 2.7 Ghz P4, a Gig of Ram and 256 video card....
it's got straps riveted to the case for carrying and a 2nd hand 19" Micron
CRT that works remarkably well for the $50 I paid for it. Great unit for the
field office.

CM


CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:30 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Wacom.... big deal. I thought you had some fancy rig I wasn't aware of
yet... that's like providing a link to a MicroSoft Mouse.

It's cool to flip the pen and erase what you've just entered though!

That tablet is far more capable than any you've used. You simply are out
of the
loop. This is a very common tool. If you tried one you'd buy it. I plan
to.


My bro bought 2 new Wacoms this spring.... big deal... I've used tablets for
years... their use is limited... it won't replace the mouse.... I currently
use the Logitech MX1000 Laser Mouse. That's a nice unit....

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:33 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Why would you want to edit photos on your
Notebook?


I took 5 trips last summer, Mooron. I guess I should have taken the 21"
flatscreen and CPU with me, right??

Bwahahahahaha!


Trips??? .....download the photos and burn them to CD or DVD... why waste
hours editing on a rig that runs like molasses in January?

Your "Trips" amount to day trips or over-nighters.... you'd be behind the
screen for hours on that hunk'o'junk!

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:38 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message

I use quark for inserting my video box reviews into pre-formatted box art.
It
runs on PCs and Mac, by the way...and has for YEARS.


You already tried Quark on a PC?.... sucks don't it!

Why don't you run it on your Mac?? ... or did you buy a second fully
licsensed version for your PC?

My wife worked for columbia house as a copywriter. We take freelance work
from
them when they're in trouble...like now!


Yeah.... copywriters are treated like the scum of the graphics field aren't
they. Then again it's just a Typist on a Mac... isn't it. It's not like you
need talent is it?

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:40 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Considering your formatting skills ... which cast a
shadow of doubt on your abilities to utilize Quark...

Exposed again! Poor Mooron just wrote that Quark requires a PC.


No ... I said it was a Mac app.

You might want to check and see that it's been around for the PC for
YEARS.


Available??? .... yeah Bob... sure!

Unstable in early version BTW.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa......


CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:42 PM


wrote in message

Oh... Did I mention that I was Director of Operations for a major
newspaper chain before I retired? We had both Macs and Windows
Machines all using Quark and Photoshop, and sharing files between
them. Used an Atex mainframe front end complete with IAS, and then
later a Novell network using CNI as a front end.


Yeah Billy...sure.... and tell me again how easily the IBM handled Mac
Files....

Director of operations...... Ha Ha ha..... what operations? Janitorial?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaa

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 08:53 PM


wrote in message
Yeah Billy...sure.... and tell me again how easily the IBM handled Mac
Files....


Completely transparently.


and apparently not you idiot.... how long ago did you "retire" billy?

You're like Bob's little sister vying for attention all the time with
nothing but stupid comment to make.

CM




Bob Crantz December 15th 04 09:09 PM

AMEN!


"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
Bobsprit = idiot in the first degree:

http://www.apogeephoto.com/oct2001/p...ing_baby.shtml

Flash is a real problem with babies. There's the possibility of red eye,
particularly a concern when capturing close-ups of wide-eyed babies when
the
flash illuminates the retina. When it comes to baby photography, in
general,
using the flash is a "no no." Some camera manufacturers even issue a
warning
in their manual that it could even damage the eyes of an infant.

Get that runt Baptized before you do him in!

Amen!

Bob Crantz


But if they blind the little tyke, Bob can take him to his favorite place

of
worship and through the power of Jesus, heal him by the laying on of

hands,
and use the story to convert all of the hellbound folks here! Now why

didn't
you think of that? I think Satan's sneaking into your mind, pray for your
soul, REPENT!!! Get right with the Lord!

Praise the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Cairns





"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
and there was a 200W light in
operation, then his pupils would not have been so dilated.


Listen, doctor eyeball, babie's eyes are quite slow to react, not like

an
adult's eyes at all. He squeals and laughs when I take pics, because he

likes
the flashes. Like any baby, if something bugs him, he lets us know

fast.

RB








Nav December 15th 04 09:16 PM



Overproof wrote:



Pen and tablet??? where do you get these lame ideas.... that stuff is 10
years old.
Spotone.... you mean the industry standard of Pantone?


And you claim to be a professional?

Bwhahahhahahaha

Cheers


Nav December 15th 04 09:19 PM

Wot no knives? ;-)

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

wrapped portion of the link. DOPE!

FORK ALERT! FORK ALERT! FORK ALERT!


Alert recieved. Standing by with more forks!

RB



Nav December 15th 04 09:20 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

do a simple copy and paste without completely forking it up?


Easy for you.... you're using the same computer!

I have three computers (2 HPs, one Mac) online. What kind does Bill have?



What kind of Mac do you have.... and what OS are you currently using on
it???

I'm only asking because a few combos of Mac and versions of their OSs really
slow the units down.

G3?.... G4?...... G5???.....

BTW - HP suck backwash so bad as to be laughable.... talk about your off the
shelf ****boxes!

I built my own... Lian Li case... 2.4 Gig P4, Igig Ram. 128 gig Video, Asus
Mobo.... it's kickin'!
The Viewsonic UltraBrite A90f+ is just one of the best CRTs I ever had the
pleasure to own.

My other work computer is a 2.7 Ghz P4, a Gig of Ram and 256 video card....
it's got straps riveted to the case for carrying and a 2nd hand 19" Micron
CRT that works remarkably well for the $50 I paid for it. Great unit for the
field office.


Bragging about equipment again?

Cheers


Nav December 15th 04 09:22 PM



Overproof wrote:



Are you familiar with FLASH???


Please don't start the Red eye again...

Bwhahahahahha

Cheers


Overproof December 15th 04 09:35 PM


"Nav" wrote in message

Bragging about equipment again?

Cheers


Yeah... so what?

If you feel left out... start long cocking Bob and Bill!

CM



Overproof December 15th 04 09:38 PM


"Nav" wrote in message

Pen and tablet??? where do you get these lame ideas.... that stuff is
10 years old.
Spotone.... you mean the industry standard of Pantone?


And you claim to be a professional?

Bwhahahhahahaha

Cheers


Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa.... ya didn't read that last one through did ya?

CM




Nav December 15th 04 09:42 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Yeah but if you have a full version of Photoshop on your computer... why
bother with Elements program?

I have Elements 3.0 on my Notebook computer, which only has a small HD.
Only
the new computer with it's 200GB drive has PS. It will open the NEF files
with
the Nikon View download and does everything I need. I don't use PS's
higher end
features.
This is just silly. You're actually bothering with this thread after I
smashed
you in the others. It's over Mooron. But leave those forks (must be about
50)
stuck in your backside as a reminder!



Not a fork in sight Bob..... Now a few questions ... why do you have such
an old Notebook?? Why do you download to a Notebook with like 8 megs of
video memory when your desktop must have at least 128 or more never mind a
minimum of 500 megs ram? Why would you want to edit photos on your
Notebook?


Why do you think you need 128 megs video memory to edit a still picture
on the screen?

Cheers



Nav December 15th 04 09:46 PM



Overproof wrote:


What do you have for your newest Notebook Bob? ...and what is the make of
the one you are using? I have an old beater... Acer 521 Travelmate P3
600Mhz.... okay for the field... but I always bring a mainframe with me for
the field office.


Mainframe?

Bwhahhahahahaha

Cheers


Nav December 15th 04 09:50 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Wacom.... big deal. I thought you had some fancy rig I wasn't aware of
yet... that's like providing a link to a MicroSoft Mouse.

It's cool to flip the pen and erase what you've just entered though!

That tablet is far more capable than any you've used. You simply are out
of the
loop. This is a very common tool. If you tried one you'd buy it. I plan
to.



My bro bought 2 new Wacoms this spring.... big deal... I've used tablets for
years... their use is limited... it won't replace the mouse.... I currently
use the Logitech MX1000 Laser Mouse. That's a nice unit....


You can't do careful retouch work with a mouse efficiently. The pen is a
much better interface for that.

Cheers


Nav December 15th 04 09:54 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message


Bragging about equipment again?

Cheers



Yeah... so what?

If you feel left out... start long cocking Bob and Bill!


Is that a freudian slip?

Cheers


Nav December 15th 04 09:56 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message


Pen and tablet??? where do you get these lame ideas.... that stuff is
10 years old.
Spotone.... you mean the industry standard of Pantone?


And you claim to be a professional?

Bwhahahhahahaha

Cheers



Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa.... ya didn't read that last one through did ya?


Yes I did an NO professional would think a software reference referred
to a spot color system

Bwahahhahahaha

Cheers


Bobsprit December 15th 04 11:48 PM

I have three computers (2 HPs, one Mac) online. What kind does Bill have?

What kind of Mac do you have.... and what OS are you currently using on
it???


Dual 800 G4. It's a leftover from the video feature we shot. It's running OSX
which is very unstable along with Final Cut Pro. There are also 4 video
drives-cheap ones and two 17 inch CRTS (only running one now). Standard video
edit G4 setup. We'll probably donate it after the holiday.

RB

Bobsprit December 15th 04 11:53 PM

The Viewsonic UltraBrite A90f+ is just one of the best CRTs I ever had the
pleasure to own.


I'm done with CRTs for good. Too damaging to my eyes. My large LCD is amazing
and zero fatigue.

RB

Bobsprit December 15th 04 11:54 PM

19" Micron
CRT that works remarkably well for the $50


Micron guts generally equals a Mag on most monitors. Good quality if you can't
afford a good LCD.

RB

Bobsprit December 15th 04 11:56 PM

You can't do careful retouch work with a mouse efficiently. The pen is a
much better interface for that.


Which is why you see them in most digital suites.

RB

Bobsprit December 16th 04 12:00 AM

It's not like you
need talent is it?


Depends. Let's see YOU write good copy for Home Alone 3!!!

RB

Bobsprit December 16th 04 12:02 AM

You might want to check and see that it's been around for the PC for
YEARS.


Available??? .... yeah Bob... sure!


Qaurk for windows (6.1 currently I think) is around 450.00.
Look it up.

RB

Overproof December 16th 04 02:50 AM


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message


Bragging about equipment again?

Cheers



Yeah... so what?

If you feel left out... start long cocking Bob and Bill!


Is that a freudian slip?


No slip... it's a suggestion for you.

CM




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