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Shen44 wrote: Subject: Rules of the Road Question #6 From: Nav Date: 12/8/2004 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: No, fishing is a class of vessel unto itself, it is not RAM Not totally correct. (read rule 3 d.) A fishing vessel (or to be totally correct a vessel engaged in fishing with nets, lines, or trawls which RESTRICT maneuverability) is like a minesweeper. It does not show the normal lights for a vessel restricted in it's ability to maneuver, but instead, it's own special lights which not only tell you of it's status as restricted in it's ability to maneuver, but also, for what specific reason it is restricted. A "fishing vessel" is in the RAM group, but lit differently. It does not carry the day shapes nor lights of a RAM. Therefore it is not a RAM. It is a special class that is specifically dealt with by it's own rules -it is a vessel fishing and that is all. That is why it is mentioned thus: "(c)A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of: * (i)a vessel not under command; * (ii)a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver. " Cheers |
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Shen44 wrote: Subject: Rules of the Road Question #6 From: Nav Date: 12/8/2004 5:55 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Shen44 wrote: Subject: Rules of the Road Question #6 From: Nav Date: 12/8/2004 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: No, fishing is a class of vessel unto itself, it is not RAM Not totally correct. (read rule 3 d.) A fishing vessel (or to be totally correct a vessel engaged in fishing with nets, lines, or trawls which RESTRICT maneuverability) is like a minesweeper. It does not show the normal lights for a vessel restricted in it's ability to maneuver, but instead, it's own special lights which not only tell you of it's status as restricted in it's ability to maneuver, but also, for what specific reason it is restricted. A "fishing vessel" is in the RAM group, but lit differently. It does not carry the day shapes nor lights of a RAM. Therefore it is not a RAM. It is a special class that is specifically dealt with by it's own rules -it is a vessel fishing and that is all. That is why it is mentioned thus: "(c)A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of: * (i)a vessel not under command; * (ii)a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver. " Cheers Gonna handle two for one here. You're worrying too much about the wording and not the meaning. The fact that the rules do not include "fishing" in the RAM, does not mean they are not RAM and in fact they state they are. What the rules do is to make specific groups of vessels that are restricted in their abilities and seperate them out by their lights and or dayshapes and degree of RAM ... ie. NUC, RAM, Fishing. In reality, they all have a problem which must be dealt with and recognised by the basic powerboater, sailboat, etc. down the line. The basic attempt is to give degrees of importance to their RAM and note that some which may be considered RAM by a powerboater, may not be as RAM as a, say, vessel engaged in underwater operations versus a fishing vessel. This does not change the fact that they are RAM, it just alters the "pecking" order of who does what, when, and in the case of the minesweeper and fishing vessel, they change the lights. Squirm all you want, but a fishing vessel is NOT a RAM in the terms of the COLREGS. If it became a RAM it would have NOT have to give way to vessels showing RAM lights and day shapes and would change it's lights and day shapes accordingly. I really cabn't see why you don't understand this unless it's to avoid admitting your error... As for the diamond shape on the tow. The question was asking for the shape on a semi submerged TOW. See rule 24g. Yes, I wonder if you can read? Try rereading the question and the rule and you will see that the diamond shape is for tows over 200m where the question asked about tows under 200m Cheers |
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