"Wally" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

You sound like Gaynz. You need to ask yourself,
"Am I important enough for some hacker to want to
get into my system?" Probably not.

This is essentially a variation on 'security through obscurity', and is not
a real defence against being hacked.

Yes it is! Hackers have better things to do with their time than
waste it hacking into mine or Mooron's worthless computer.
What would they get - nothing worthwhile to be sure.


Moreover, your question is fallacious, being predicated on the notion that
only 'important' systems face being hacked. I'd invite you to define
'important' in this context, but I guarantee that you cannot. There are too
many hackers, with too many motives to establish even a range of
definitions. To be clear: simply being hackable is a measure of
'importance'.


For the same reason bank robbers don't rob day care centers, hackers
don't hack sites for which there is no reason to hack. Hacking can be
very time consuming. You make an investment in time. You expect some
return for your time.

Letting a worm or a trojan loose on some weenie too stupid to secure
his computer is not hacking. It's more like pestering.

The only safe assumption to make is that it *is* important enough for some
hacker, somewhere, to attempt an exploit. Ergo, the question should be: Is
my system open enough for some hacker to get in?


Wrong again Wally! There are no safe assumptions. One plays the odds.
That is reality. The odds are some schmuck's personal computer has
very little chance of being hacked.


CN
TG42's mentor. (TG42 hacked the so-called unhackable Swiss Banks. They paid
her to attempt break their security and she accomplished it in less than two weeks,
undetected other than proving it by transferring ten million dollars from one account to
another and back.)

Gimme a break. A simple free software firewall like
Zone Alarm or Kerio which monitors all port activity
in and out protects you from your computer ever being
used for denial of service attacks. Besides, DOS attacks
are not initiated by an individual hacker hacking into
one computer after another. It takes more than a handful
of computer to mount a DOS attack.

CN


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:19:25 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


"Wally" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

You sound like Gaynz. You need to ask yourself,
"Am I important enough for some hacker to want to
get into my system?" Probably not.

This is essentially a variation on 'security through obscurity', and is not
a real defence against being hacked.

Yes it is! Hackers have better things to do with their time than
waste it hacking into mine or Mooron's worthless computer.
What would they get - nothing worthwhile to be sure.

Unfortunately this is untrue.
Hackers regularly hack into any old computer to initiate DOS attacks.
Your computer is used purely as a route thru which the attack is
run....you look like the bunny....and it isn't even Easter.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The truth shall set ye free.
Scout

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:A2Isd.315793$9b.155777@edtnps84...
Security on my PC is high.... it causes extreme problems on my end
negotiating protocols.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Can I ask why?

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:rFGsd.313992$9b.212766@edtnps84...
I thank you Capt Neal........ Problem with that is I won't sign to
Google
or MSN accounts.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Katysails, Haggie, Ole Thom, Tadpole, Scott Vernon, Overproof,
Bobsprit and others (Not Gaynz)

These are just a few of the people who can use this new newsgroup
right now. I have already admitted you as members in good standing.

All it takes is for you to get a Google Groups account by
signing up with your e-mail and providing a password. Once you do
this you can post to this new group where all idiots like Ganz will
be banned for life. Anybody else who is interested in joining can
join by letting their desires be known on alt.sailing.asa.

To view this group add a shortcut to your desktop with the following
URL or just click below.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

CN

Forget it Neal. He knows even less than you do about computers.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What's signing onto MSM or Google have to do with protocols?
Protocols such as TCP/IP are widely used by all.

CN
I invite you to join:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal



"Overproof" wrote in message
news:A2Isd.315793$9b.155777@edtnps84...
Security on my PC is high.... it causes extreme problems on my end
negotiating protocols.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Can I ask why?

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:rFGsd.313992$9b.212766@edtnps84...
I thank you Capt Neal........ Problem with that is I won't sign to
Google
or MSN accounts.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Katysails, Haggie, Ole Thom, Tadpole, Scott Vernon, Overproof,
Bobsprit and others (Not Gaynz)

These are just a few of the people who can use this new newsgroup
right now. I have already admitted you as members in good standing.

All it takes is for you to get a Google Groups account by
signing up with your e-mail and providing a password. Once you do
this you can post to this new group where all idiots like Ganz will
be banned for life. Anybody else who is interested in joining can
join by letting their desires be known on alt.sailing.asa.

To view this group add a shortcut to your desktop with the following
URL or just click below.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

CN

That's stupid. Do you have any idea who records by-mail registrations?
Convicted criminals.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:QvIsd.316498$9b.212511@edtnps84...
It sets off 2 of my security applications (their protocols not the ISP)
and I have to negotiate prompts from the other 2 each time I log on. I
tried it a couple of times.... not worth the hassle really..... not to
mention I don't care for that form of communication very much.

I don't use Wi-Fi .... I even register my products by snail mail.

I've never been much for this instant messaging stuff. If I want to talk
to someone that badly I'll call'em on the phone. Believe me... I've been
pressured by friends/family to sign on.... it'll never happen.

Paranoid??? Maybe..... but I have never had a virus, Trojan or worm. I
have had attempts to hack into my system.. none successful... on all
occasions the perpetrators were identified and action undertaken.

I'm a firm believer in proactive defensive measures.... nobody breaches
the gates. Information out is at my control.

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What's signing onto MSM or Google have to do with protocols?
Protocols such as TCP/IP are widely used by all.

CN
I invite you to join:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal



"Overproof" wrote in message
news:A2Isd.315793$9b.155777@edtnps84...
Security on my PC is high.... it causes extreme problems on my end
negotiating protocols.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Can I ask why?

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:rFGsd.313992$9b.212766@edtnps84...
I thank you Capt Neal........ Problem with that is I won't sign to
Google
or MSN accounts.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Katysails, Haggie, Ole Thom, Tadpole, Scott Vernon, Overproof,
Bobsprit and others (Not Gaynz)

These are just a few of the people who can use this new newsgroup
right now. I have already admitted you as members in good standing.

All it takes is for you to get a Google Groups account by
signing up with your e-mail and providing a password. Once you do
this you can post to this new group where all idiots like Ganz will
be banned for life. Anybody else who is interested in joining can
join by letting their desires be known on alt.sailing.asa.

To view this group add a shortcut to your desktop with the
following
URL or just click below.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

CN

You sound like a faggot. Of course, you are a closet faggot.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Why be so paranoid. Got something to hide?

Security programs have rules and you can make
rules to allow actions or deny actions. I don't think
you have anything to fear from MSM and Google.

You sound like Gaynz. You need to ask yourself,
"Am I important enough for some hacker to want to
get into my system?" Probably not.

Real men use the Internet; they don't cower in fear.


CN


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:QvIsd.316498$9b.212511@edtnps84...
It sets off 2 of my security applications (their protocols not the ISP)
and
I have to negotiate prompts from the other 2 each time I log on. I tried
it
a couple of times.... not worth the hassle really..... not to mention I
don't care for that form of communication very much.

I don't use Wi-Fi .... I even register my products by snail mail.

I've never been much for this instant messaging stuff. If I want to talk
to
someone that badly I'll call'em on the phone. Believe me... I've been
pressured by friends/family to sign on.... it'll never happen.

Paranoid??? Maybe..... but I have never had a virus, Trojan or worm. I
have
had attempts to hack into my system.. none successful... on all
occasions
the perpetrators were identified and action undertaken.

I'm a firm believer in proactive defensive measures.... nobody breaches
the gates. Information out is at my control.

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What's signing onto MSM or Google have to do with protocols?
Protocols such as TCP/IP are widely used by all.

CN
I invite you to join:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal



"Overproof" wrote in message
news:A2Isd.315793$9b.155777@edtnps84...
Security on my PC is high.... it causes extreme problems on my end
negotiating protocols.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Can I ask why?

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:rFGsd.313992$9b.212766@edtnps84...
I thank you Capt Neal........ Problem with that is I won't sign
to
Google
or MSN accounts.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Katysails, Haggie, Ole Thom, Tadpole, Scott Vernon,
Overproof,
Bobsprit and others (Not Gaynz)

These are just a few of the people who can use this new newsgroup
right now. I have already admitted you as members in good
standing.

All it takes is for you to get a Google Groups account by
signing up with your e-mail and providing a password. Once you do
this you can post to this new group where all idiots like Ganz
will
be banned for life. Anybody else who is interested in joining can
join by letting their desires be known on alt.sailing.asa.

To view this group add a shortcut to your desktop with the
following
URL or just click below.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Yes it is! Hackers have better things to do with their time than
waste it hacking into mine or Mooron's worthless computer.
What would they get - nothing worthwhile to be sure.

Finally, something true. You're worthless.

Heh... you can sit and critique till the cows come home Cappy.... I don't
give a ****.

What I have works to do the job I require... and insist on.

I use the internet... and I use it my way.... it's not your way... so what.
Get over it!

I can understand your request to know why.... I gave you an answer. I am
certainly not obligated to give you a detailed reason.

You know... I get similar comments regarding my level of personal security
from my friends... I really have a chuckle when It's from one of them with
a criminal record or victim of a theft.

Look... I appreciate your efforts to reassure me that the world is a kinder
& gentler place... that with minimal effort and Dubbya we are all safe.
You're wasting oxygen!

Understand this... I hold myself responsible for my safety.... and I'll take
the measures I deem appropriate to enforce that.

I hope that explains it for you.... and don't friggin' refer to me in any
way being like Gaynzy! Okay!

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Why be so paranoid. Got something to hide?

Security programs have rules and you can make
rules to allow actions or deny actions. I don't think
you have anything to fear from MSM and Google.

You sound like Gaynz. You need to ask yourself,
"Am I important enough for some hacker to want to
get into my system?" Probably not.

Real men use the Internet; they don't cower in fear.


CN


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:QvIsd.316498$9b.212511@edtnps84...
It sets off 2 of my security applications (their protocols not the ISP)
and
I have to negotiate prompts from the other 2 each time I log on. I tried
it
a couple of times.... not worth the hassle really..... not to mention I
don't care for that form of communication very much.

I don't use Wi-Fi .... I even register my products by snail mail.

I've never been much for this instant messaging stuff. If I want to talk
to
someone that badly I'll call'em on the phone. Believe me... I've been
pressured by friends/family to sign on.... it'll never happen.

Paranoid??? Maybe..... but I have never had a virus, Trojan or worm. I
have
had attempts to hack into my system.. none successful... on all
occasions
the perpetrators were identified and action undertaken.

I'm a firm believer in proactive defensive measures.... nobody breaches
the gates. Information out is at my control.

CM





"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
What's signing onto MSM or Google have to do with protocols?
Protocols such as TCP/IP are widely used by all.

CN
I invite you to join:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal



"Overproof" wrote in message
news:A2Isd.315793$9b.155777@edtnps84...
Security on my PC is high.... it causes extreme problems on my end
negotiating protocols.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Can I ask why?

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:rFGsd.313992$9b.212766@edtnps84...
I thank you Capt Neal........ Problem with that is I won't sign
to
Google
or MSN accounts.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Ahoy Katysails, Haggie, Ole Thom, Tadpole, Scott Vernon,
Overproof,
Bobsprit and others (Not Gaynz)

These are just a few of the people who can use this new newsgroup
right now. I have already admitted you as members in good
standing.

All it takes is for you to get a Google Groups account by
signing up with your e-mail and providing a password. Once you do
this you can post to this new group where all idiots like Ganz
will
be banned for life. Anybody else who is interested in joining can
join by letting their desires be known on alt.sailing.asa.

To view this group add a shortcut to your desktop with the
following
URL or just click below.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

CN

Excellent Strike! Wally... true Moray Fashion!

CM
"Wally" wrote in message
...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

You sound like Gaynz. You need to ask yourself,
"Am I important enough for some hacker to want to
get into my system?" Probably not.

This is essentially a variation on 'security through obscurity', and is
not
a real defence against being hacked.

Moreover, your question is fallacious, being predicated on the notion that
only 'important' systems face being hacked. I'd invite you to define
'important' in this context, but I guarantee that you cannot. There are
too
many hackers, with too many motives to establish even a range of
definitions. To be clear: simply being hackable is a measure of
'importance'.

The only safe assumption to make is that it *is* important enough for some
hacker, somewhere, to attempt an exploit. Ergo, the question should be: Is
my system open enough for some hacker to get in?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Zone Alarm.... ... that's not security... that's a program control app.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Gimme a break. A simple free software firewall like
Zone Alarm or Kerio which monitors all port activity
in and out protects you from your computer ever being
used for denial of service attacks. Besides, DOS attacks
are not initiated by an individual hacker hacking into
one computer after another. It takes more than a handful
of computer to mount a DOS attack.