One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...
You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:

Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:


That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...


Capt. Neal® wrote:



ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:
One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:


Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:



That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...



Capt. Neal® wrote:




ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...
I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:
One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:


Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:



That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...



Capt. Neal® wrote:




ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until
it recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the
likely track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

I'm reading it and laughing. Since I've never been in those sort of
conditions and haven't read much about it, I'm not qualified to comment,
except to say that Neal is an idiot.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Nav" wrote in message
...
No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until it
recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the likely
track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing
thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message
...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message
...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message
...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message
...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know
when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

I think you are confused because you aren't familiar with the usual
hurricane tracks in this part of the world. Jeanne and Frances are
two hurricanes we had this year. Both moved out of the Leeward
islands on a general northwesterly path up through the Bahamas
chain. Frances was a full blown hurricane while Jeanne was
a tropical storm that took a path than included a loop before
she turned into a hurricane and made her way across the
northern Bahamas. In both cases winds associated with
the circulation of these storms commenced out or the North
East. Had one left one of the Bahamas that were in the
path of Jeanne, going on a close reach on a starboard tack
would have gotten you dead in the case of Jeanne and
directly in the NE (bad) quadrant of Frances (a category 5
at the time).

Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...
No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until
it recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the
likely track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:



Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.


You propose to cross the likely hurrican track?

Cheers

You need to look at a map of the Caribbean and the tracks of Frances
and Jeanne. People in Governor's Harbor, Eleuthera, for example
were right in the direct path of the storm.

If they sailed off on a close hauled tack in the NE winds they would
just stayed in the path of the hurricane and put themselves even
more in the dangerous quadrant if and when the storm started
to recurve.

People who were smart like me sailed off on a broad reach to the west
and not only got out of the path of the storm but put themselves
on the weaker side doing it plus putting themselves even farther away
if the storm decided to recurve.

The lesson - don't trust in conventional old sailing saws.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


Capt. Neal® wrote:



Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.


You propose to cross the likely hurrican track?

Cheers

I think you are confused because you aren't familiar with the usual
hurricane tracks in this part of the world. Jeanne and Frances are
two hurricanes we had this year. Both moved out of the Leeward
islands on a general northwesterly path up through the Bahamas
chain. Frances was a full blown hurricane while Jeanne was
a tropical storm that took a path than included a loop before
she turned into a hurricane and made her way across the
northern Bahamas. In both cases winds associated with
the circulation of these storms commenced out or the North
East. Had one left one of the Bahamas that were in the
path of Jeanne, going on a close reach on a starboard tack
would have gotten you dead in the case of Jeanne and
directly in the NE (bad) quadrant of Frances (a category 5
at the time).

Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.

CN

As for nobody else commenting. How could they? For
them a hurricane is something to evacuate their house
for.



"Nav" wrote in message ...
No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until
it recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the
likely track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers