You probably just got lucky. Either that or you raced Bobsprit.

CN


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:05:42 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ...


What sort of racing allows modifcation of the main so as to increase area beyond the manufactures specifications?


Don't ask me. I hate yacht racing. I do know some racers will embrace any and all
cheats they think they can get away with.

CN

I knew a guy just like you....claimed that I my boat was a cheater and
that's why he couldn't beat me.

We sailed a 5 race series over a weekend.
I swapped boats with him, on the water at the end of each race.....of
course I had to wait around a while till he finished each time ;-)




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Capt. Neal® writes:


Depends on the gooseneck fitting. Mine is a sliding gooseneck that
can be raised or lowered at will. Oftentimes the gooseneck will
fit an internal track in the mast and although it may have been
riveted on to begin with it is a simple matter to drill out the rivets
and change the location while adding new rivets. This would leave
holes in the mast to show that it was done, however.

More likely is a mainsail cut to lower the boom on the aft end
by increasing the length of the leech on the mainsail. This would
result in the aft end of the boom being lower than the forward
end. The original sail held the boom horizontal, I'm sure.

Good points, all. I actually do think that my boom 'droops' quite a
bit so your theory of the too-long-leech has a lot for it. The sail is
definitively not original (the boat will be feting its 30th birthday
soon...).

I heard a different story about Tavernier. At one time it was
a busy port for exporting pineapples, hardwood, and vegetables.
There were several taverns available for the workers. Word got
out that there was always a tavern near the port . Then the Frenchies
came along and changed the spelling. Your explanation sounds
more plausible.


Yes, I think so. Good story, though.

--Ernst

Martin Baxter writes:

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends on the gooseneck fitting. Mine is a sliding gooseneck that
can be raised or lowered at will. Oftentimes the gooseneck will
fit an internal track in the mast and although it may have been
riveted on to begin with it is a simple matter to drill out the rivets
and change the location while adding new rivets. This would leave
holes in the mast to show that it was done, however.

I believe the gooseneck was riveted to the mast on this vessel when
originally manufactured

I believe so, too (it is definitely not on a rail or track) but will
check next time at the boat (weekend).

--Ernst

Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
Poor fellow! The man lost his life primarily because
of poor design by the naval architect.

Those C&Cs are a death trap in more than one way it seems.

But, to design a cruising boat with a boom so low that it
can smack you up side the head is criminal. I should think
a nice little lawsuit would straighten out C&C and the
negligent designer.

You won't find a Wm. Tripp Jr. designed cruiser with such
flaws.

CN


I' d have to disagree about the poor design by the naval architect
statement - only because there are many an older cruising boat that
don't have the benefit or newer design of today's taller rigs, so they
indeed have a lower (and longer) boom than one's head might prefer in
an accidental jibe. My 1969 Morgan 33 Classic was one helluva boat for
instance, but indeed, the boom was low enough to clobber you if you
weren't careful. When it came to design, Charley knew/knows his stuff.
I would suspect he expected those that were sailing his boats to know
theirs, too.

Anyway, I'd say if you had to place blame, it was negligence on the
skipper's part, and the poor guy that got knocked. Beyond that, what
can you do? Accidents do indeed happen. Sometimes with very
unfortunate and dire consequences.

Capt. Rob Welling
Sarasota, FL

Bobspit died while I was gone?

wrote in message
...
Poor fellow! The man lost his life primarily because
of poor design by the naval architect.

Those C&Cs are a death trap in more than one way it seems.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:16:58 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:

That's what's wrong with racing. Testosterone and money always gets
in the way of common sense. Racing boats always push the envelope of
safety by virtue of their being built to minimal standards to start and
then modifying to skimp here and skimp there to cut weight until
catastrophic failures occur. This is the nature of the game. Never
mind a few people get maimed or killed in the process.

Actually, racers are the reason your boat performs as well as you
claim.
Racers pursuit of light and fast lead to synthetic rope and sails,
streamlined foil shapes and blocks and sheaves that can carry the
loads required of a fast cruising boat.

I disagree that racers are the reason for my yacht's superior
performance. There is but one reason for that and that reason
is me. Being an experienced blue water voyager and live aboard
sailor for the past 20 years I have acquired an intimate knowledge
of my vessel, her quirks, her foibles, her strengths and her
virtues. I have minimized the bad and maximized the good.

Along with this I have researched, read and sailed and learned
myself what it takes to sail, modify and maintain my fine
vessel. . I have applied that hard-won knowleged to hone my
sailing skills to a fine edge. I know my yacht like the back
of my hand. She and I have become one. One with the wind,
one with the sea, one with the miles rolling under our keel.

I play my vessel like a virtuoso plays a Stradivarious.

Together we play a symphony.

CN



You should be thankful that people are prepared to spend huge amounts
of money and often suffer those catastrophic failures on race yachts
to develop the gear you use,

That's why racers cannot be called sailors. They are cowboys.
They ride the bulls. The rest of us sane people who cruise respect
lives and safety. We cannot abide those who would put others
in danger because they don't value their own safety. To us
sailing is more than a game with rules to break.

Yep, to you it's a leisurely cruise, to some an adrenalin rush.
You've accused some of the women racers of being dykes and having
balls....maybe they have, it takes balls to push a boat to its
breaking point and in most cases keep it together.

We don't mind speaking up about it.

You're too stupid NOT to!

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

A symphony.... more like just a phony.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:16:58 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:

That's what's wrong with racing. Testosterone and money always gets
in the way of common sense. Racing boats always push the envelope of
safety by virtue of their being built to minimal standards to start and
then modifying to skimp here and skimp there to cut weight until
catastrophic failures occur. This is the nature of the game. Never
mind a few people get maimed or killed in the process.

Actually, racers are the reason your boat performs as well as you
claim.
Racers pursuit of light and fast lead to synthetic rope and sails,
streamlined foil shapes and blocks and sheaves that can carry the
loads required of a fast cruising boat.

I disagree that racers are the reason for my yacht's superior
performance. There is but one reason for that and that reason
is me. Being an experienced blue water voyager and live aboard
sailor for the past 20 years I have acquired an intimate knowledge
of my vessel, her quirks, her foibles, her strengths and her
virtues. I have minimized the bad and maximized the good.

Along with this I have researched, read and sailed and learned
myself what it takes to sail, modify and maintain my fine
vessel. . I have applied that hard-won knowleged to hone my
sailing skills to a fine edge. I know my yacht like the back
of my hand. She and I have become one. One with the wind,
one with the sea, one with the miles rolling under our keel.

I play my vessel like a virtuoso plays a Stradivarious.

Together we play a symphony.

CN



You should be thankful that people are prepared to spend huge amounts
of money and often suffer those catastrophic failures on race yachts
to develop the gear you use,

That's why racers cannot be called sailors. They are cowboys.
They ride the bulls. The rest of us sane people who cruise respect
lives and safety. We cannot abide those who would put others
in danger because they don't value their own safety. To us
sailing is more than a game with rules to break.

Yep, to you it's a leisurely cruise, to some an adrenalin rush.
You've accused some of the women racers of being dykes and having
balls....maybe they have, it takes balls to push a boat to its
breaking point and in most cases keep it together.

We don't mind speaking up about it.

You're too stupid NOT to!

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:49:14 GMT, "DAVE HORD"
scribbled thusly:

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks
the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial
vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.



OK, that's Bernoulli.

Now I'd suggest you look into Newtonian explanation of lift
ie deflection.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you

Ozone... if these dolts insist on x-posting.... you really should x-post
back.

Don't worry buddy.... I copied your reply and sent it off as a x-post for
you!

No No... no need to thank me... just lookin' out fer Ya!

CM