"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

That's why racers cannot be called sailors. They are cowboys.
They ride the bulls. The rest of us sane people who cruise respect
lives and safety. We cannot abide those who would put others
in danger because they don't value their own safety. To us
sailing is more than a game with rules to break.

We don't mind speaking up about it.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Most of the female racers I know are better sailors than you.
John Cairns

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Well, you don't have to worry about it, since there's never anyone on your
boat except you. And, you never go anywhere off course.


Cheers FT

John Cairns wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

That's why racers cannot be called sailors. They are cowboys.
They ride the bulls. The rest of us sane people who cruise respect
lives and safety. We cannot abide those who would put others
in danger because they don't value their own safety. To us
sailing is more than a game with rules to break.

We don't mind speaking up about it.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I don't know most of the racey females.
John Cairns

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:56:43 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote:

Poor fellow! The man lost his life primarily because
of poor design by the naval architect.

Actually, probably poor instruction from the skipper, but it was rough
enough that he might simply have been "thrown upright" to catch his
balance and got clipped. I don't know the fine details, only that he
got "boomed" on both sides of his head, with the second one basically
mushing his brain.

Those C&Cs are a death trap in more than one way it seems.

I own a C&C design and I find them quite safe. I will cop to the
crappy cored decks, however...but they can be remedied.

But, to design a cruising boat with a boom so low that it
can smack you up side the head is criminal. I should think
a nice little lawsuit would straighten out C&C and the
negligent designer.
Too late. Company was sold 15 years ago although the trademark
lingers.

You won't find a Wm. Tripp Jr. designed cruiser with such
flaws.

If you say so...

R.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:55 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Just ignore crapton.

That sounds rough...

It was. A couple were drowned when their catamaran flipped down by
Windsor in the same wind front. Several boats were damaged (it was a
C&C regatta) and I saw a 41 footer attempt to get inside our basin at
the height of it...the water was pouring OUT of the basin so fast they
had to come about and run out into the lake.

Sounds like a combination of bad judgement on the part
of the skipper and the guy who got hit.

Or he was 6' 2". The seas were high and got higher all day as the wind
swung west. Even at dock it was reading 35 knots...we stayed in due to
traffic and my wife's advanced state of pregnancy.

We typically sail in 25+ kts, and
rarely use a preventer unless we're going to have a long downwind run. We
don't race though.

I rig preventers frequently but leave them slack unless conditions
warrant it. But then I sail my 33 footer solo a lot and I am about one
inch taller than the boom end if the mainsheet is taut.

R.

"Don White" writes:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Love the name of your boat. There is a town in the Keys with that name,
BTW.

What's your boom doing so low? Check the mast and look for an old, faded-
out black line. This should be where the boom is located. Chances are
somebody lowered the boom and increased the mainsail size. There is no
reason on that 32-footer why the boom is sweeping the cockpit at less
than head height.



looks like I'll have to do some usenet archaeology. I presume that the
first part of this posting is a reply to my own posting. Only I never
saw that reply even though I have read usenet at least twice a day
since I posted.

Anyway, I did not choose the name of my boat ('Tavernier') but I do
like it, too. And yes, I know that there is a community called
Tavernier in the Fla. Keys. I know very little of my boat's history
(bought her when she was 25 years old to the month) but there are some
indications that she spent a lot of time in Florida. If you really
want to know mo the island of Tavernier was probably named after
Bertrand Tavernier, a quite famous French guy who explored much of
Florida in the 1400s or 1500s. Literally, it translates to
'bartender' (someone who has a taverne).

Anyway, that's an interesting thought, that someone lowered the boom
to increase sail area. The PO was very much into racing and I could
see him doing this. Next time at the boat (this weekend, probably), I
will definitively look for a 'faded black line' or any other
indication that the boom was lowered. But wouldn't lowering the boom
leave a lot more physical evidence than a faded black line; like holes
in the mast where the gooseneck fitting was attached previously etc?

--Ernst

wrote in message ...

"Don White" writes:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Love the name of your boat. There is a town in the Keys with that name,
BTW.

What's your boom doing so low? Check the mast and look for an old, faded-
out black line. This should be where the boom is located. Chances are
somebody lowered the boom and increased the mainsail size. There is no
reason on that 32-footer why the boom is sweeping the cockpit at less
than head height.



looks like I'll have to do some usenet archaeology. I presume that the
first part of this posting is a reply to my own posting. Only I never
saw that reply even though I have read usenet at least twice a day
since I posted.

Anyway, I did not choose the name of my boat ('Tavernier') but I do
like it, too. And yes, I know that there is a community called
Tavernier in the Fla. Keys. I know very little of my boat's history
(bought her when she was 25 years old to the month) but there are some
indications that she spent a lot of time in Florida. If you really
want to know mo the island of Tavernier was probably named after
Bertrand Tavernier, a quite famous French guy who explored much of
Florida in the 1400s or 1500s. Literally, it translates to
'bartender' (someone who has a taverne).

Anyway, that's an interesting thought, that someone lowered the boom
to increase sail area. The PO was very much into racing and I could
see him doing this. Next time at the boat (this weekend, probably), I
will definitively look for a 'faded black line' or any other
indication that the boom was lowered. But wouldn't lowering the boom
leave a lot more physical evidence than a faded black line; like holes
in the mast where the gooseneck fitting was attached previously etc?

--Ernst


Depends on the gooseneck fitting. Mine is a sliding gooseneck that
can be raised or lowered at will. Oftentimes the gooseneck will
fit an internal track in the mast and although it may have been
riveted on to begin with it is a simple matter to drill out the rivets
and change the location while adding new rivets. This would leave
holes in the mast to show that it was done, however.

More likely is a mainsail cut to lower the boom on the aft end
by increasing the length of the leech on the mainsail. This would
result in the aft end of the boom being lower than the forward
end. The original sail held the boom horizontal, I'm sure.

I heard a different story about Tavernier. At one time it was
a busy port for exporting pineapples, hardwood, and vegetables.
There were several taverns available for the workers. Word got
out that there was always a tavern near the port . Then the Frenchies
came along and changed the spelling. Your explanation sounds
more plausible.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:


Depends on the gooseneck fitting. Mine is a sliding gooseneck that
can be raised or lowered at will. Oftentimes the gooseneck will
fit an internal track in the mast and although it may have been
riveted on to begin with it is a simple matter to drill out the rivets
and change the location while adding new rivets. This would leave
holes in the mast to show that it was done, however.

I believe the gooseneck was riveted to the mast on this vessel when originally manufactured

More likely is a mainsail cut to lower the boom on the aft end
by increasing the length of the leech on the mainsail. This would
result in the aft end of the boom being lower than the forward
end. The original sail held the boom horizontal, I'm sure.

What sort of racing allows modifcation of the main so as to increase area beyond the manufactures specifications?

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ...


What sort of racing allows modifcation of the main so as to increase area beyond the manufactures specifications?


Don't ask me. I hate yacht racing. I do know some racers will embrace any and all
cheats they think they can get away with.

CN

Martin Baxter wrote:




What sort of racing allows modifcation of the main so as to increase
area beyond the manufactures specifications?



More roach.

Cheers