Oz The Text I'm replying to is the one you keep posting ; that the USA
is not the whole world.
OT
P/S I don't give a damn is you reply or not. I'm finished with this
Post. Period.

Capt. Neal® wrote:



Read Mr. Bush's famous speech where he elucidated
the Bush doctrine that states if you are a country and
your government supports terrorists then your government
will be held accountable. Pretty simply. One would thing
even a knuckleheaded liberal might comprehend.

But the USA supports terrorism...

Cheers

On 23 Nov 2004 14:43:53 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:


Why do we have to reinstate a draft?

So I can make lots of money.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote
And no terrorists were found in Fallujah?



Sure ... they were free to come and go as they please now Saddam is gone.

And now they'll be free to come and go forever thanks to G.Witless.

"Vito" wrote in message

Prolly but I think Bush will hold a sham election that'll almost certainly
select a radical government then cut and run.

We'll know in a few months

This is what I can't understand...... nothing will be gained and yet a very
high price was paid.

The cloak of morality is ill afforded a conqueror. To win you must make the
battle decisive, the subjugation ruthless and the history written to
reflect your glory.

This new kinder, gentler face to war is totally wrong. It attempts to paint
good versus bad.... instead of winner versus loser.

I'd be really impressed if the USA went into Palestine!

I mean really.... that is the root of the cancer in the middle east. Or is
it Israel?

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
This is what I can't understand...... nothing will be gained and yet a very
high price was paid.

But truly, you don't understand.... something very great was gained!

1- Halliburton and a select group of gov't contractors have reaped (and
will continue to reap) billions of dollars

2- a small select group has used the natural emotional illogic of a
large number of voters to get a tighter grip on power

Surely both of those things are worth 1,200+ young lives, especially
when a large number of them are from poor & less-well-connected
families, who would only have ended up in jail or dead in car accidents
anyway.



The cloak of morality is ill afforded a conqueror. To win you must make the
battle decisive, the subjugation ruthless and the history written to
reflect your glory.

Yes but you have to wait a hundred years or so for the "glory" to
overcome the curses & pledges of vengeance from the defeated, and for
the peasants to have sweated off the crushing debt load.




I'd be really impressed if the USA went into Palestine!

I mean really.... that is the root of the cancer in the middle east. Or is
it Israel?

Several people within the Bush Administration have decided that Israel
is the 51st state, and that the problem with the Sharon gov't is that it
is not extremist enough. I would not joke about the Bush clan wanting to
invade Palestine.

DSK

"Dave" wrote in message
I think both you and Vito need to do a bit of reading. Each of you has a
far
too simplistic notion of the events leading up to, and following, the
partition of Palestine. There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides
of the issue.

I think the best route there is to sell all of them weapons.... let them
duke it out and when the dust settles deal with whoever is still standing.
Either take them out for some bogus non payment or settle on a deal for
compensation. That's when you move in... take over oil production or
anything of value and start selling weapons to the next conflict area. In 20
years you will have effectively taken over the world and hold no blame. You
guys call yourself Capitalists.. Bah!

CM

Dave wrote:
I think both you and Vito need to do a bit of reading. Each of you has a far
too simplistic notion of the events leading up to, and following, the
partition of Palestine.

Dave, while I don't claim to be perfect or all-knowing, I can certainly
claim to have read a heck of a lot of history. College level books on
the Middle East would overload Scotty's biggest truck.

When trying to explain stuff you gotta start with the basics!


... There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides
of the issue.


You're right. I did not mean to imply that the Israelis are blameless;
in fact one of my consistent criticisms of the Bush Administration is
that they have given the Sharonist gov't a blank check to act
unilaterally & aggressively. Not only that, but copying some of their
tactics. Bad idea... not just IMHO but the results are coming in all the
time.

Regards
Doug King

Hey, Mooron, you should read a book called 'Market Forces' by Richard
Morgan. ISBN 0 575 07567 8.

It's based on this exact idea. Dunno if I'd buy it, tho - not one of
his better books IMO. Borrow it from a library or get a used copy.

PDW

In article , Capt.
Mooron wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
I think both you and Vito need to do a bit of reading. Each of you has a
far
too simplistic notion of the events leading up to, and following, the
partition of Palestine. There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides
of the issue.

I think the best route there is to sell all of them weapons.... let them
duke it out and when the dust settles deal with whoever is still standing.
Either take them out for some bogus non payment or settle on a deal for
compensation. That's when you move in... take over oil production or
anything of value and start selling weapons to the next conflict area. In 20
years you will have effectively taken over the world and hold no blame. You
guys call yourself Capitalists.. Bah!

CM

Dave wrote:

I was thinking a bit further back. Things like dynamiting Palestinian
homes
in some areas of Jerusalem following the partition, and massacres of
entire
villages on the part of both sides. Remember that Begin got his start as
head of an Israeli terrorist group.


No no, he was a "freedom fighter." Actually, Begin's career as a
terrorist was back pre-1947, wasn't it? Any armed group not representing
a recognized nation can be termed "terrorist."

IMHO the Arabs started the violence, not that it matters now. There was
no incentive for Jews... what were they going to do, murder the
occupants of a house, move in, and pretend that everything is normal?
The pre-Balfour Zionist movement bought... and paid cash for... more
land than now comprises the state of Israel. Of course, some of it was
in the same spirit that we "bought" land from the Indians.

But at some point you have to accept the status quo. IMHO it is
incumbent upon the Arabs states to recognize Israel. It is also
incumbent on Israel to live up to their side of any peace deals... so
far they have done so about as much as the Bush Administration respects
the Geneva Convention.

To have a good neighbor, you have to *be* a good neighbor.

Regards
Doug King