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Capt. Mooron November 5th 04 02:32 AM

I'm certain of it Scotty...... and for that very reason I am placing both
feet firmly on the solid ground of logic.

I may not state what you want to hear.... but the viewpoint is not based on
emotion.... rather on a factual basis from a myriad source of information
that as best, can only be carefully weighed and judged for it's merit. The
sum of this forms the benchmark of my opinion.

But why discuss strategy... when it obviously lends so little impact on your
nation's global activities.

How can Bush really do anything in only 4 short years. He really needs about
20 years. It would be wise to keep him in office for at least that long.

Now about those cows..... :-)

CM
..





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Watch it Mooron, you're being taped.

Scotty

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Sort of the way the USA thinks of itself within the global

community??

CM







Scott Vernon November 5th 04 02:56 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I'm certain of it Scotty...... and for that very reason I am placing

both
feet firmly on the solid ground of toxic snow.

I may not state what you want to hear.... but the viewpoint is not

based on
emotion.... rather on a factual basis from a myriad source of

information
that as best, can only be carefully weighed and judged for it's

merit. The
sum of this forms the benchmark of my opinion.



Whatever. I don't really care, as long as it's funny.




Now about those cows..... :-)



They *still* mad?


Scotty



Capt. Mooron November 5th 04 03:07 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message


Now about those cows..... :-)



They *still* mad?


Well... we got them calmed down but they're not exactly pleased yet.

They feel "left-out"... "ignored".... dissed!

CM



Maxprop November 5th 04 03:32 AM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


You're really an idiot. Castro and Brezhnev are COMMUNISTS not
socialists. Sweden is pretty close to Russia. Maybe you were thinking
of them.


Why don't you learn something, Jon. You really make an ass of yourself,
putting your ignorance on display. Socialism and communism aren't mutually
exclusive. True communism probably never existed in any viable form in the
past several centuries, beyond the communes in the US in the Sixties and
Seventies. Both the USSR, which, incidentally means Union of the Soviet
*Socialist* Republics, and Cuba were/are socialist countries. That the US
calls them "communist" countries means little.


You've always been on the loser list. No need to be repetitive.


Hmm. Lessee--the man I voted for won. Yours didn't.

I believe you've got that backward.

Max



Maxprop November 5th 04 03:34 AM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get Bush
for another term.


You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an elitist
liberal and all.

Max



Scott Vernon November 5th 04 03:39 AM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not

just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get

Bush
for another term.


You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an

elitist
liberal and all.


yup, Jons' attitude combined with crappy comments like this is why
Kerry lost.



Maxprop November 5th 04 03:39 AM


OzOne wrote in message

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:17:47 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

For socialists like Oz,


Socialist?

Bwaaahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahha...cough splutter,
cough...Bwaaaaaaaaahahahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahaaa ...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Haa ahhahahahahhhahhahahaaaaa!

SOCIALIST! Bwaaahahhahhahahhahahhahhaaaaa!


Thankfully the majority of Aussies find your brand of socialism repugnant.
Your recent election probably got your panties in a major wad, eh?

Max



Maxprop November 5th 04 03:57 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not

just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get

Bush
for another term.


You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an

elitist
liberal and all.


yup, Jons' attitude combined with crappy comments like this is why
Kerry lost.


This was the point I was attempting to make w/r/t Doug's comment yesterday:
that liberals think they are more astute than the rest of us unwashed
masses, and that they know what's good for us, despite our preferences. And
you're right--the arrogant, elitist left wing of the democrat party cost
Kerry the election.

Max



katysails November 5th 04 11:57 AM

We always lie to the exit pollers...I believe they get what they ask
for...irritation from people who want the votes to be counted
appropriately.....My take is that there should be no political talk on the
media all election day until after ALL the polls are closed....no
speculation...no gibbering idiots making predictions about as accurate as
weather forecasts....

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 4 Nov 2004 17:06:01 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

Lefty Web sites are buzzing with a supposed "statistical analysis"
that they say proves that Republicans stole the election by rigging
paperless touch screen machines. According to the analysis performed
by a Democratic Underground regular who goes by the handle
SoCalDemocrat, states that use electronic machines were all showing
strong Kerry support in exit polls, but when the results came in, the
states went to Bush.


Time to let go, Jon. Exit polls have historically been highly inaccurate,
for the reasons the guy in charge of running the pool exit poll explained
today. (Do a search and I'm sure you'll come up with the article.) Lefty
web
sites will no doubt come up with a thousand black helicopter theories to
claim the election was stolen. But a bit of skepticism is in order.

Dave




Vito November 5th 04 12:17 PM

"Dave" wrote

Time to let go, Jon. .....


Hey, it's all about religious freedom. If the deophageous kooks who elected
Bush can believe he won a mandate then Democrat kooks can believe
Republicans rigged the voting machines.



Vito November 5th 04 12:29 PM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
How can Bush really do anything in only 4 short years.


He can make you as rich as the Kennedys!

He can appoint 3 new SCotUS Justices who are rabid Christians. The new court
can reverse the Warren Court's decisions that are based on the right to
privacy, then all of the laws that were negated will again become enforcable
without any additional legislative action. Abortion, birth control, sodomy,
cohabitation, et al will *automatically* become illegal again and quickly be
enforced by government agencies already headed by rabid Christians. Look at
the money Canadians made off out prohibition idiocy, stock up on birth
control pills, and start planning your new life as a wealthy smuggler.



Vito November 5th 04 12:33 PM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz
boob
BB
vito


Get back to me when you get out of the can for practicing birth control.



Scott Vernon November 5th 04 01:21 PM

no need, my wife is fixed.


"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz
boob
BB
vito


Get back to me when you get out of the can for practicing birth

control.





Scott Vernon November 5th 04 01:54 PM

vito is crazy!


"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
How can Bush really do anything in only 4 short years.


He can make you as rich as the Kennedys!

He can appoint 3 new SCotUS Justices who are rabid Christians. The

new court
can reverse the Warren Court's decisions that are based on the right

to
privacy, then all of the laws that were negated will again become

enforcable
without any additional legislative action. Abortion, birth control,

sodomy,
cohabitation, et al will *automatically* become illegal again and

quickly be
enforced by government agencies already headed by rabid Christians.

Look at
the money Canadians made off out prohibition idiocy, stock up on

birth
control pills, and start planning your new life as a wealthy

smuggler.





Scott Vernon November 5th 04 01:55 PM

Are you a vampire? You seem deathly afraid of Christians.


"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote

Time to let go, Jon. .....


Hey, it's all about religious freedom.




Bobsprit November 5th 04 02:04 PM

Are you a vampire?


Look who's talking; the biggest sucker of them all!!!

RB

Capt. Mooron November 5th 04 02:48 PM

Crazy like a Fox.... I think he's a Canadian Insurgent!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
vito is crazy!


"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
How can Bush really do anything in only 4 short years.


He can make you as rich as the Kennedys!

He can appoint 3 new SCotUS Justices who are rabid Christians. The

new court
can reverse the Warren Court's decisions that are based on the right

to
privacy, then all of the laws that were negated will again become

enforcable
without any additional legislative action. Abortion, birth control,

sodomy,
cohabitation, et al will *automatically* become illegal again and

quickly be
enforced by government agencies already headed by rabid Christians.

Look at
the money Canadians made off out prohibition idiocy, stock up on

birth
control pills, and start planning your new life as a wealthy

smuggler.







Vito November 5th 04 07:01 PM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
no need, my wife is fixed.


That IS birth control and if you have sex you'll go to jail cuz sex is
illegal except to make babies. I see you'll never make it as a leader of
the neocons (c:



Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 07:35 PM

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 4 Nov 2004 17:06:01 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

Lefty Web sites are buzzing with a supposed "statistical analysis"
that they say proves that Republicans stole the election by rigging
paperless touch screen machines. According to the analysis performed
by a Democratic Underground regular who goes by the handle
SoCalDemocrat, states that use electronic machines were all showing
strong Kerry support in exit polls, but when the results came in, the
states went to Bush.


Time to let go, Jon. Exit polls have historically been highly inaccurate,
for the reasons the guy in charge of running the pool exit poll explained
today. (Do a search and I'm sure you'll come up with the article.) Lefty web
sites will no doubt come up with a thousand black helicopter theories to
claim the election was stolen. But a bit of skepticism is in order.


Well, it was an interesting thought. g

No black helicopters??? Damn...



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 07:37 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

We tend to lead the nation in all of the significant social and
technological ways.

social ways? Hah! What a pompous little twit you are.


It's accurate. You drive a truck for a living right?



No, it's a hobby of mine. My wife works.


Probably too hard. My hobbies are sailing, spam fighting, and
volunteering my time for various things. Driving a truck doesn't seem
to be much of a hobby, but at least you have something to fall back
on.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 07:38 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
no need, my wife is fixed.


"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz
boob
BB
vito


Get back to me when you get out of the can for practicing birth

control.


She had a lobotomy right before she married you?


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 07:39 PM

In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get Bush
for another term.


You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an elitist
liberal and all.


Just being honest. I'm definitely arrogant and certainly an elitist
liberal. Not a *******, and I don't know what "and all" means.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 07:40 PM

In article ,
Maxprop wrote:
This was the point I was attempting to make w/r/t Doug's comment yesterday:
that liberals think they are more astute than the rest of us unwashed
masses, and that they know what's good for us, despite our preferences. And
you're right--the arrogant, elitist left wing of the democrat party cost
Kerry the election.


Well, at least you got the categories right.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Vito November 5th 04 07:52 PM

"Scott Vernon" wrote
Are you a vampire?


No, vampires are a Christian myth IIRC.

You seem deathly afraid of Christians.


As all should be of all religious zealots for they believe anything they do
is justified. That's why there is war in the Middle East and Ireland. Let
me share one example.

My brother, a minister, and his family visited us when my daughter was a
happy bubbling fearless child of 8 years. He knew that I knew enough factual
biblical history to blow his mythology away so he asked me not to deprogram
his four kids and in return promised not to expose my daughter to his own
frightening beliefs. A few weeks after they left the school called me in for
a conference with my daughter's teacher, a counselor and a shrink. They
informed me that she had been molested. The proof? She had always been one
of the brightest kids, a leader ever eager to lead the rest in some active
game. Now overnight she had become a morose loner unwilling to go out for
recesses. Did I know why? No, I didn't. She had never been left alone with
anyone, even my brother or one of his family and a physical exam showed no
evidence of sexual assault. When questioned she cried and claimed she just
wanted to be left alone so the 'why' stayed unanswered til a relative died
and we were discussing various religions. She became agitated and finally
burst into tears "Oh daddy! I've been so frightened ever since uncle Fagan
made me a child of god!" It seems that, despite promises, the whole family
had badgered he until on the last night when her mother and I had gone to
the store, they conducted a hideous ceremony. The stripped her and dunked
her into a cold tub of water this she almost drown while they sang and
prayed! Then they put her in a chair, put their hands on her naked body, and
whaled and prayed some more. Finally they told her she was a child of god
and that all the evil sins she had participated in were washed away. But,
they admonished, if she sinned again the devil would come, carry her off on
his fork and burn her in hell forever. I did what I could but she was never
the sweet carefree child they had frightened out of her wits.

That was years ago and now she has teens of her own.

I had always tried to be tolerant of other peoples fantasies because many
draw comfort from them. Now I try to debunk their efforts to use the law to
force their worst idiocies on us all ... as they have and will again if we
let them. And no lie or deception is beneath them, as witness my own
brother. Can you imagine what it was like to be 22 years old when birth
control was illegal?




Scott Vernon November 5th 04 09:08 PM

Great story V. You should make a movie of it, bob could direct, he's
got nothing better to do.

Sounds like mental illness runs in your family.

S

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote
Are you a vampire?


No, vampires are a Christian myth IIRC.

You seem deathly afraid of Christians.


As all should be of all religious zealots for they believe anything

they do
is justified. That's why there is war in the Middle East and

Ireland. Let
me share one example.

My brother, a minister, and his family visited us when my daughter

was a
happy bubbling fearless child of 8 years. He knew that I knew enough

factual
biblical history to blow his mythology away so he asked me not to

deprogram
his four kids and in return promised not to expose my daughter to

his own
frightening beliefs. A few weeks after they left the school called

me in for
a conference with my daughter's teacher, a counselor and a shrink.

They
informed me that she had been molested. The proof? She had always

been one
of the brightest kids, a leader ever eager to lead the rest in some

active
game. Now overnight she had become a morose loner unwilling to go

out for
recesses. Did I know why? No, I didn't. She had never been left

alone with
anyone, even my brother or one of his family and a physical exam

showed no
evidence of sexual assault. When questioned she cried and claimed

she just
wanted to be left alone so the 'why' stayed unanswered til a

relative died
and we were discussing various religions. She became agitated and

finally
burst into tears "Oh daddy! I've been so frightened ever since uncle

Fagan
made me a child of god!" It seems that, despite promises, the whole

family
had badgered he until on the last night when her mother and I had

gone to
the store, they conducted a hideous ceremony. The stripped her and

dunked
her into a cold tub of water this she almost drown while they sang

and
prayed! Then they put her in a chair, put their hands on her naked

body, and
whaled and prayed some more. Finally they told her she was a child

of god
and that all the evil sins she had participated in were washed away.

But,
they admonished, if she sinned again the devil would come, carry her

off on
his fork and burn her in hell forever. I did what I could but she

was never
the sweet carefree child they had frightened out of her wits.

That was years ago and now she has teens of her own.

I had always tried to be tolerant of other peoples fantasies because

many
draw comfort from them. Now I try to debunk their efforts to use the

law to
force their worst idiocies on us all ... as they have and will again

if we
let them. And no lie or deception is beneath them, as witness my own
brother. Can you imagine what it was like to be 22 years old when

birth
control was illegal?






Scott Vernon November 5th 04 09:38 PM


--
"Jonathan Loser Ganz" wrote
Probably too hard.


For you, yes, it would be.

My hobbies are sailing, spam cooking, and
volunteering my time for various things. Driving a truck doesn't

seem
to be much of a hobby, but at least you have something to fall back
on.



Oh, it's a lot of fun. You get to run liberal ******s driving econo
cars off the road. You can double park and tie up traffic for hours
or take up 12 parking spaces at the mall. Blasting the air horns at
midnight while blitzing through a liberal neighborhoods is
entertaining. \

SV



Jonathan Ganz November 5th 04 09:59 PM

Oh, it's a lot of fun. You get to run liberal ******s driving econo
cars off the road. You can double park and tie up traffic for hours
or take up 12 parking spaces at the mall. Blasting the air horns at
midnight while blitzing through a liberal neighborhoods is
entertaining. \


Fun for an idiot, sure. The rest of us have real lives.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Bobsprit November 6th 04 01:29 AM

Get back to me when you get out of the can for practicing birth
control.


She had a lobotomy right before she married you?

Now their IQs match!

RB

Maxprop November 6th 04 05:08 AM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

In article ,
Maxprop wrote:
This was the point I was attempting to make w/r/t Doug's comment
yesterday:
that liberals think they are more astute than the rest of us unwashed
masses, and that they know what's good for us, despite our preferences.
And
you're right--the arrogant, elitist left wing of the democrat party cost
Kerry the election.


Well, at least you got the categories right.


Keep up that good old arrogant, Aryan liberal bull****, Jon. As long as the
dem's base is made up of people like you, the conservatives won't have a
problem holding the White House and both houses of Congress. You make it
exceedingly easy for us.

Max



Maxprop November 6th 04 05:10 AM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


We're not talking about shades of grey... you claimed they are
socialists, but in fact, they're communists. You're WRONG.


I thought you elitist liberals all claim to be well-educated. Guess I was
wrong about that, at least.

Max



Maxprop November 6th 04 05:13 AM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get Bush
for another term.


You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an elitist
liberal and all.


Just being honest. I'm definitely arrogant and certainly an elitist
liberal. Not a *******, and I don't know what "and all" means.


You're a legend in your own mind. At least one person believes you have
anything going for you: yourself.

Max



Jonathan Ganz November 6th 04 07:23 AM

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


We're not talking about shades of grey... you claimed they are
socialists, but in fact, they're communists. You're WRONG.


I thought you elitist liberals all claim to be well-educated. Guess I was
wrong about that, at least.


Well, the key phrase is "I thought," which is oxymoronic in your
case. g




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 6th 04 07:25 AM

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

In article ,
Maxprop wrote:
This was the point I was attempting to make w/r/t Doug's comment
yesterday:
that liberals think they are more astute than the rest of us unwashed
masses, and that they know what's good for us, despite our preferences.
And
you're right--the arrogant, elitist left wing of the democrat party cost
Kerry the election.


Well, at least you got the categories right.


Keep up that good old arrogant, Aryan liberal bull****, Jon. As long as the
dem's base is made up of people like you, the conservatives won't have a
problem holding the White House and both houses of Congress. You make it
exceedingly easy for us.


Wow... now I'm an aryan liberal! I should let my relatives
know. Maxipad, I have no problem with conservatives, it's the wackos
that are the major fools. If you consider yourself a true
conservative, you wouldn't have voted for BushCo.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz November 6th 04 07:25 AM

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

The people are voting against their own best interest, in a large
measure because they are being hijacked by the mix of religion and
politics. Also, the average level of education is pretty low, not just
in the South. The combination of the two is deadly. Thus, we get Bush
for another term.

You arrogant *******. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, being an elitist
liberal and all.


Just being honest. I'm definitely arrogant and certainly an elitist
liberal. Not a *******, and I don't know what "and all" means.


You're a legend in your own mind. At least one person believes you have
anything going for you: yourself.


I think I think, therefore I think I am.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Scott Vernon November 6th 04 01:31 PM



--
"Jonathan Loser Ganz" wrote

Maxipad, I have no problem with conservatives,
it's the liberals that are the major fools.

--
Jonathan Ganz
http://www.bailnow.com
"If there's no wind, blow."




Jonathan Ganz November 6th 04 06:52 PM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I am a major fool.




John Cairns November 8th 04 12:26 AM


"No more Pony" wrote in message
ink.net...
You mean that over half of the US are 'bible
toting right wing facists'?
S.


I think the number they came up with was something like 37%, that number
being the folks who thought that "moral values" was the most important issue
in this election.
http://tinylink.com/?ZloL9w41aw
Numbers here are fairly revealing, note especially the section "most
important quality", hilarious.
John Cairns



Scott Vernon November 8th 04 12:42 AM


"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"No more Pony" wrote in message
ink.net...
You mean that over half of the US are 'bible
toting right wing facists'?
S.


I think the number they came up with was something like 37%,


is that the same 'they' that conducted the exit polls?

Scotty



John Cairns November 8th 04 12:58 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"No more Pony" wrote in message
ink.net...
You mean that over half of the US are 'bible
toting right wing facists'?
S.


I think the number they came up with was something like 37%,


is that the same 'they' that conducted the exit polls?

Scotty


CNN comissioned the poll. Not exactly a left-leaning media outlet. Not sure
where I got the 1st #'s from, they were published right after the election,
doing a search CNN was at the top of the list.
John Cairns



Maxprop November 8th 04 02:37 AM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Bin Laden is making videos and is FREE 3 years after attacking the US.
Bush
decided to chase after someone else and leave the Bin Laden family alone.


So you're still buying into that Michael Moore bull****, eh?

Max




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