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"DSK" wrote Partly it's a question of sheer numbers. How many hundred million paper votes do you all have to tally? How many people have to make it through the polls in a day? About 200 here. Our ballot was also paper but is an optical scan. Here in Plowville we have electonic ballet booths. Just touch the screen and you're counted. places don't require ID but our area does, Here, the old ladies at the table know every one. I still have a slight bit of hope that Ohio will go to Kerry and give him the election, Stop dreaming. Wake up and get to work. Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
"DSK" wrote in message It's like 1972 (Nixon) all over again... people know they're being lied to and choose the lies that suit their prejudices & wishful thinking. I'd like to hallmark this phrase as an archetypal piece of liberal ideology: that a select few elitist individuals possess the level of intelligence to run the country while the majority is stupid, senseless, and corrupt. Of course this same arrogant belief was held by the ruling oligarchy in the former Soviet Union for decades as well, and look where it got them. Max |
Maxprop wrote:
I'd like to hallmark this phrase as an archetypal piece of liberal ideology: I'd like to bronze this statement as the ultimate in head-up-the-ass "neoconservative" stupidity. You *still* want you call me a "liberal" which proves that 1- you don't know what liberalism is (do know what "is" is?) 2- you don't pay attention 3- facts matter less to you than partisan name-calling The country has made it's choice. That's good. I don't like it, however. I don't have to. That damn sure doesn't make me a liberal. Calling me one makes you a jackass. Is that clear enough now? DSK |
Maxprop wrote:
Yesterday's voting was at an all-time high for a presidential election. Turnout exceeded everyone's predictions. As a matter of trivial fact, Bush won by the greatest number of popular votes in US history as well. These statements may well be true, but in light of an ever increasing population a rather meaningless bit of trivia; now if he won by the greatest percentage, then you might have something of significance. Cheers Marty Max |
that's good. I believe we had around a 60% turnout this year, which is
exceptionally high. What happens to those that don't vote? Scotty, a typical lazy American OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:20:05 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: What percentage shows up to vote? At local elections wher voting isn't compulsory, over 78% At the nationwide (Federal) elections, over 96% turnout and there was talk of the exceptionally high turnout at the last election, last month, so I'd expect the figure was closer to 99%. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Oz,
Our system differs from your's in that we directly vote for all our representative. The President & Vice president, all the member of the Senate (our upper house), representative to the House of Congress (our lower house) Governors and other local officials, and local laws. None of our reps are appointed. You vote for a party, the after the election a party leader is selected to form government (Prime Minister) Our system is more complicated but is more democratic. We also have a time limit when or officials most face elections Hope this helps you to understnd our system. I have a naturalize american/ dutch friend and haven't been able to make him understand. YET! Ole Thom |
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Maxprop wrote: OzOne wrote in message Here in Oz, voting is compulsory. Dictatorial, totalitarian state? Don't display the appalling state of American education quite so blatantly. PDW |
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Stewart wrote: Oz, Our system differs from your's in that we directly vote for all our representative. The President & Vice president, all the member of the Senate (our upper house), representative to the House of Congress (our lower house) Governors and other local officials, and local laws. Hmmm. We vote for a local representative based on population. We vote for candidates running for the Senate, elected 'at large' for each State & territory. We elect local council members and state govt reps, both lower & upper houses in most states. None of our reps are appointed. You vote for a party, the after the election a party leader is selected to form government (Prime Minister) No we don't vote for a party at all. We vote for individuals who may be members of a party - usually are. Exactly the same as your guys being a Dem or a Rep. The elected members choose the Prime Minister. Our system is more complicated but is more democratic. No it's about the same, you just don't understand how our system works. Also you don't really vote for a President - well you do, but the electoral college actually selects him. He's not directly elected. This isn't much if any different from how our system works in practice. Think about it. PDW |
"DSK" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: I'd like to hallmark this phrase as an archetypal piece of liberal ideology: I'd like to bronze this statement as the ultimate in head-up-the-ass "neoconservative" stupidity. You *still* want you call me a "liberal" which proves that 1- you don't know what liberalism is (do know what "is" is?) I know precisely what liberalism is. Fact is, you're one of the most liberal assholes contributing to this NG. Liberal because you espouse big, all-knowing, all-encompassing government. "Asshole" simply because you are. 2- you don't pay attention I was formerly amused by your insistence that you're a conservative. More recently it's grown tedious. You can put perfume on a pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig. 3- facts matter less to you than partisan name-calling You're the name-calling champ, chump. I've only begun to learn from the master: thou. The country has made it's choice. That's good. Actually it's a democratic republic and entitled to make that choice. I don't like it, however. I don't have to. That damn sure doesn't make me a liberal. Calling me one makes you a jackass. Your preference for a particular candidate has nothing to do with it. You obviously don't read well, Doug. Most likely a product of outcome-based education, sorry. I called you a liberal because of your redundant diatribes branding the masses as stupid and unfit to run their own affairs. I think you honestly believe you know what's best for the rest of us, despite our preference for some other socio-political ideology. That is a recurrent theme in virtually every leftist regime in history. Is that clear enough now? Ask yourself. You're the comprehensionally-challenged one. Come out of the closet, Doug. There's no shame in being liberal. Much. (Time to killfile me again, Bilgewater Bill the Brainwashed.) Max |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right about where we are today. This country is on a downhill slide. This is good evidence of it. Isn't it about time for you to leave, Jon? I'll bet Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, or Sean Penn will have an extra seat on their private jets for you, if ya ask nicely. Max |
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: Yesterday's voting was at an all-time high for a presidential election. Turnout exceeded everyone's predictions. As a matter of trivial fact, Bush won by the greatest number of popular votes in US history as well. These statements may well be true, but in light of an ever increasing population a rather meaningless bit of trivia; It would be trivial if past presidential elections had also reflected the population demographic. But they didn't. This year's election drew more voters as a percentage of the total population than any other in recent history. THAT was my point to Oz: it's why the lines at the polls were long and time-consuming. My point had nothing to do with patting W on the back for drawing the largest popular vote in history. But since you brought it up . . . :-) Max |
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Maxprop wrote: I know precisely what liberalism is. Fact is, you're one of the most liberal assholes contributing to this NG. Liberal because you espouse big, all-knowing, all-encompassing government. "Asshole" simply because you are. Doug is many things, but asshole isn't one of them. In fact, he's one of the more reasonable, clear-thinking people on this newsgroup. I'm sure he would be honored to have you killfile him. I was formerly amused by your insistence that you're a conservative. More recently it's grown tedious. You can put perfume on a pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig. You have no idea what real conservatism is, because you've got your head too far up the ass of BushCo to see daylight. 3- facts matter less to you than partisan name-calling You're the name-calling champ, chump. I've only begun to learn from the master: thou. We've seen the posts of the right-wing wackos for months. When they, and you run out of logic, you fall back on name-calling. The country has made it's choice. That's good. Actually it's a democratic republic and entitled to make that choice. Entitled for sure. Poor choice, IMHO, also for sure. Your preference for a particular candidate has nothing to do with it. You obviously don't read well, Doug. Most likely a product of outcome-based education, sorry. I called you a liberal because of your redundant diatribes branding the masses as stupid and unfit to run their own affairs. I think you honestly believe you know what's best for the rest of us, despite our preference for some other socio-political ideology. That is a recurrent theme in virtually every leftist regime in history. Homebased education is typically better than what you'll find in public schools. Do the research if you don't believe me. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right about where we are today. This country is on a downhill slide. This is good evidence of it. Isn't it about time for you to leave, Jon? I'll bet Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, or Sean Penn will have an extra seat on their private jets for you, if ya ask nicely. **** you Max. But I'm not going to leave, and here's an example of why.... From Salon.com: Many of my liberal friends are seriously discussing leaving the country, for Canada or Europe or New Zealand. It is, of course, tempting. How could we not feel a violent disillusionment and disconnect when we discovered this morning that the majority of voters in the country have a worldview we cannot comprehend? That hate and fear and ignorance can run a successful presidental campaign; that people will respond to these things with eager glee? And if I wasn't tempted before leaving the house, one look at my car with its Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker -- the only car with such a sticker in the lot -- and how overnight it suddenly acquired a political statement consisting of eggs and shaving cream -- the only car in the lot so decorated -- certainly pushed me in that direction. I imagine the decorators (or their parents) voted on "moral values," as so many Bush supporters did. But I'm not going to leave, and I made a list of reasons why. Because I'm not letting them have New England autumns, New Mexico sunsets, the Grand Canyon, or Revere Beach. Because Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank and a few other stalwarts are isolated enough in a Capitol gone mad without their supporters pulling up and getting out. Because over a million people voted for Alan Keyes, and that means even in Illinois we can't relax. Because Massachusetts elected a far-right religious zealot in a gubernatorial race no one bothered to vote in. Because I do, honestly, want my kids to be American citizens. Because 200 years ago Americans believed in a separation of church and state, and if there's one thing we seem to be good at, it's regression. Because we have to speak up even if they're not coming for us personally yet. We're educated and energized and relatively financially secure, and there are a lot of people out there who are none of those things and are at least initially going to suffer far more than we are. We have to speak for them if they can't speak for themselves. Because this is still my country, and being pro-choice and and an environmentalist and a pacifist and a believer in intelligent leaders and an atheist does not make me un-American or unpatriotic -- and that needs to be screamed from the ****ing rooftops. Because they vandalized my ****ing car, and that is their level of discourse. Because I am not afraid anymore. I am angry. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
OzOne wrote in message We have much in common....except that I don't believe guns are the answer to the worlds problems. Oh, you just had to bring up that issue, dincha? Max |
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message In article et, Maxprop wrote: OzOne wrote in message Here in Oz, voting is compulsory. Dictatorial, totalitarian state? Don't display the appalling state of American education quite so blatantly. I promise I won't if you'll lighten up a bit when faced with blatant, obvious sarcasm. Max |
don't they have halloween in CA?
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article k.net, And if I wasn't tempted before leaving the house, one look at my car with its Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker -- the only car with such a sticker in the lot -- and how overnight it suddenly acquired a political statement consisting of eggs and shaving cream -- the only car in the lot so decorated -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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don't they have halloween in CA? What has that got to do with anything? This isn't about me, although I'm sure that will disappoint you. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few
more years "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , gonefishiing wrote: don't they have halloween in CA? What has that got to do with anything? This isn't about me, although I'm sure that will disappoint you. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article , gonefishiing wrote:
just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few more years Four more. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
there's no wind
row jon row G gf. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , gonefishiing wrote: just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few more years Four more. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Row, row, Karl Rove your boat
gently down the seam Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily Life is very mean. In article , gonefishiing wrote: there's no wind row jon row G gf. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Many of my liberal friends are seriously discussing leaving the
country, for Canada or Europe or New Zealand. It is, of course, tempting. This would be a mistake, Jon. This country has come a long way. Bush is a glitch in US progress, but it's still changing. As this country further integrates we'll see far less of the white based religious mania. Freedom ebbs and flows. This is just a brief ebb time. The religious right always lose in the end. RB |
Maxprop wrote:
I know precisely what liberalism is. Fact is, you're one of the most liberal assholes contributing to this NG. If that is true, then you should have no trouble at all quoting 3 of my posts espousing "liberal" views, other than opposition to President George W. Bush Jr (which is allowed by the Constitution, last time I checked) and is shared by many prominent Republicans & conservatives. Put up or shut up. 3- facts matter less to you than partisan name-calling You're the name-calling champ, chump. I've only begun to learn from the master: thou. I only call you stupid when you post stupid things, for example that Australia must be a totalitarian state. DSK |
OzOne wrote
All done ....on a Saturday so most are available. On a bloody Saturday! My day of R&R? Who ever came up with that idea!?! I hope an emu kicks hi dunnie down with him in it! Whadda ya expect of limeys who stand upside down all day? |
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Bobsprit wrote: Many of my liberal friends are seriously discussing leaving the country, for Canada or Europe or New Zealand. It is, of course, tempting. This would be a mistake, Jon. This country has come a long way. Bush is a glitch in US progress, but it's still changing. As this country further integrates we'll see far less of the white based religious mania. Freedom ebbs and flows. This is just a brief ebb time. The religious right always lose in the end. I agree. I have not yet begun to fight. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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wrote: On 4 Nov 2004 09:54:18 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: I agree. I have not yet begun to fight. What are you waiting for? The boat has already sailed, and you weren't on it. Did you read my apology? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
No, they outlawed it. Were afraid that some kids' feelings might get
hurt. "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... don't they have halloween in CA? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article k.net, And if I wasn't tempted before leaving the house, one look at my car with its Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker -- the only car with such a sticker in the lot -- and how overnight it suddenly acquired a political statement consisting of eggs and shaving cream -- the only car in the lot so decorated -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Loser Ganz" wrote Four more. that's the spirit, Jonny. Chant with the winning majority; Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. |
"Bobsprit" wrote i... This is just a brief ebb time. The religious right always lose in the end. You won't see it in your lifetime. So, just accept the fact, 'you're a loser' and you're in Bush country. Sv |
"Jonathan Loser Ganz" wrote
I agree. I have not yet begun to fight. too late now, you already LOST. |
wrote Yes, and even after that you are still saying you have not yet begun to fight. What's the holdup? Get going!!! yeah, far away. |
wrote in message of trivia; Of course, we need to balance that with the fact that this election also provided the largest number of votes ever cast AGAINST a sitting president. And there would have been tons more if the likes of Ganzy and boob**** had kept their stupid comments to themselves. SV |
-- "Jonathan Loser Ganz" wrote Homo education is typically better than what you'll find in public schools. Believe me, I know. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no win, lose" |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:50:10 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Do we really want non voters to be forced to vote? How many would simply close their eyes and touch the screen, just to satisfy a stupid law? Too many stupid voters and we'll have a Dem in the office. Scotty That's always been the argument here....but it just doesn't happen. Hey, Howard got re-elected. You mean people knew what they were doing? Time the ALP developed some policies & got rid of the apparatchiks then. PDW |
You won't see it in your lifetime. So, just accept the fact, 'you're
a loser' and you're in Bush country. We already DID see it. Abortion is legal, women have rights, gay rights continue to move forward, people speak out as they please, sexual content is available in all avenues of the media, stem cell passed in California, religios members exposed as child molesters! The religious right fought and lost these battles. The rest will follow in time. It's all over for your kind, Scotty. People like you simply redress a religious system to support your own hate. RB |
Do we really want non voters to be forced to vote? How many would
simply close their eyes and touch the screen, just to satisfy a stupid law? Too many stupid voters and we'll have a Dem in the office. Yeah! And a zeero deficit. RB |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You won't see it in your lifetime. So, just accept the fact, 'you're a loser' and you're in Bush country. We already DID see it. Abortion is legal, women have rights, Yeah, the right to choose which laundry detergent to use. gay rights continue to move forward, You and ganz still can't get married. people speak out as they please, Not no more. |
We already DID see it. Abortion is legal, women have rights,
Yeah, the right to choose which laundry detergent to use. Great to see Scotty exposing himself as a true asshole! RB |
people speak out as they please,
Not no more. WRONG!!! Ever watch cable? Sat. radio is getting Howard Stern uncut! Hardcore porn on several cable systems now. Sex ed on regular TV. You LOST Scotty Potti! And abortion will stay legal. RB |
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