In article ,
SAIL LOCO wrote:
Best thing for a jib sheet is a jam cleat. Holds tight but is easy to release
in an emergency.

That's what I have on my boat. The jam cleat is on a bracket
underneath the winch... extends about three inches away from it. I
only need one turn on the winch most of the time.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
John Cairns wrote:
Unless the original poster misspoke, he called it a "cam cleat", shouldn't
have any friction easing as the sheet has to be popped out of the cleat
before it can run. It will only pull through the cleat in one direction.
What I don't understand is why it was so difficult to release the jibsheet
from the cleat, they are designed so that upward pressure on the sheet(and
not a lot) should pop the sheet out of the cleat.
Based on what was originally posted I could only suggest taking a look at
how the sheets and cleats are routed, then make any necessary changes.

I don't believe he said cam cleat... just cleat.. which means horn
cleat to me. That's why I mentioned it.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

no
no
no

a cleat is a smooth surface
just look at one
it is delibrately smooth

i sail in light and heavy wind
i don't motor off, or on to my mooring
or the dock for that matter.

now desert is calling as is the train schedule as katie just announced
rather "proudly"
in other words *DAD*

yep you too
have a good weekend.
hell its been a long enough week
the gibons plugged in
the acoustic is tuned
a good ole southern he ha is in order
bye bye

gf.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
yes it around the winch
chafe happens when lines move back and forth
not enough from an even sliding that anything discernible should be
discussed

Well, seems to me that if there's any significan easing of the sheet,
there would be significant friction on the line... on a relatively
rough surface also. I try not to treat my lines to that. You must sail
in pretty light wind conditions most of the time.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Point up!

Seahag

"tom" wrote in message
om...
I hope no one minds a question from a lurker who drops by from time to
time.

The subject of experiencing a knockdown was recently raised and I'd
like to further extend the subject by asking what can/should one do
when knocked down?

I was recently on a 21 footer with my son-in-law at the till cruising
along fairly well with 25-30 knot winds when he noticed we were
heading into an area of additional wind. While alerting me, he
disengaged the mainsheet and when we rolled he let it fly. The roll
took us over nearly 90 degrees and we shipped water over the coaming 6
to 10 inches in depth. Realizing how little effect releasing the main
had had, he tried to uncleat the jib. This is where we found that
despite the angle of the sail to the wind, little or no wind was being
dumped and it was a difficult task, to say the least, to uncleat the
sheet. In our case, he tried three or four mighty tugs while on the
high side of the boat with no success, so he dropped down to the low
side in order to grasp the sheet close to the camcleat and after a
couple more mighty tugs it came loose and we righted.

Did he do the right thing? Or should something else have been done?

We remind that it was a 21 footer, with a centerboard.

Thanks.

Hey! You just getting up? Oh, Saturday already...Detailed Clementine
yesterday (Thursday), that back to black stuff really works on the flares,
thanks:^)


OzOne wrote:

"Seahag"
scribbled thusly:

Point up!

Seahag

Good girl Haggy!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

set and forget?
no

to clarify:
i am always attentive and there are times i cleat the jib off
usually not
in most days of up to 20n wind i don't need to
they stay where they are set.

to answer your question: when the wind freshens and the jib needs to be
sheeted in
well ****.......i sheet it in

boats coming out in 2 weeks
i'll probably end up taking one last hard sail on her before then.
thanks for the interest

gf


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:37:09 -0400, "gonefishiing"
scribbled thusly:

on my boat, i don't cleat the jib
i take enough turns around the cleat to allow it to friction slide based
on
wind conditions
if the wind picks up the jib "automatically" releases

A set and forget jib......wonderful.
What do you do when the wind freshens and the jib needs sheeting in?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Yeah, well, try using your shift key...gawd that"s lazy...nwxt thang you
knew we'll start playing slop on the boat yard dart board...

seahak

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
set and forget?
no

to clarify:
i am always attentive and there are times i cleat the jib off
usually not
in most days of up to 20n wind i don't need to
they stay where they are set.

to answer your question: when the wind freshens and the jib needs to be
sheeted in
well ****.......i sheet it in

boats coming out in 2 weeks
i'll probably end up taking one last hard sail on her before then.
thanks for the interest

gf


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:37:09 -0400, "gonefishiing"
scribbled thusly:

on my boat, i don't cleat the jib
i take enough turns around the cleat to allow it to friction slide based
on
wind conditions
if the wind picks up the jib "automatically" releases

A set and forget jib......wonderful.
What do you do when the wind freshens and the jib needs sheeting in?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

shift key?
i thought u refering to dA car.

keyboard?
oh that....... i'm liberal

cept fo the dart board
it got a fo-to of master K (notice the shift) erry in da centa.
soome good fun had by all.
g
gf

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Yeah, well, try using your shift key...gawd that"s lazy...nwxt thang you
knew we'll start playing slop on the boat yard dart board...

seahak

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
set and forget?
no

to clarify:
i am always attentive and there are times i cleat the jib off
usually not
in most days of up to 20n wind i don't need to
they stay where they are set.

to answer your question: when the wind freshens and the jib needs to be
sheeted in
well ****.......i sheet it in

boats coming out in 2 weeks
i'll probably end up taking one last hard sail on her before then.
thanks for the interest

gf


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:37:09 -0400, "gonefishiing"
scribbled thusly:

on my boat, i don't cleat the jib
i take enough turns around the cleat to allow it to friction slide based
on
wind conditions
if the wind picks up the jib "automatically" releases

A set and forget jib......wonderful.
What do you do when the wind freshens and the jib needs sheeting in?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I dunno..drive a truk..gotta turn off Prisoner and go to sleep

Seahag
g'nite

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
shift key?
i thought u refering to dA car.

keyboard?
oh that....... i'm liberal

cept fo the dart board
it got a fo-to of master K (notice the shift) erry in da centa.
soome good fun had by all.
g
gf

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Yeah, well, try using your shift key...gawd that"s lazy...nwxt thang you
knew we'll start playing slop on the boat yard dart board...

seahak

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
set and forget?
no

to clarify:
i am always attentive and there are times i cleat the jib off
usually not
in most days of up to 20n wind i don't need to
they stay where they are set.

to answer your question: when the wind freshens and the jib needs to be
sheeted in
well ****.......i sheet it in

boats coming out in 2 weeks
i'll probably end up taking one last hard sail on her before then.
thanks for the interest

gf


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:37:09 -0400, "gonefishiing"
scribbled thusly:

on my boat, i don't cleat the jib
i take enough turns around the cleat to allow it to friction slide
based
on
wind conditions
if the wind picks up the jib "automatically" releases

A set and forget jib......wonderful.
What do you do when the wind freshens and the jib needs sheeting in?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

10-4
nite
gf.

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
I dunno..drive a truk..gotta turn off Prisoner and go to sleep

Seahag
g'nite

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
shift key?
i thought u refering to dA car.

keyboard?
oh that....... i'm liberal

cept fo the dart board
it got a fo-to of master K (notice the shift) erry in da centa.
soome good fun had by all.
g
gf

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Yeah, well, try using your shift key...gawd that"s lazy...nwxt thang you
knew we'll start playing slop on the boat yard dart board...

seahak

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
set and forget?
no

to clarify:
i am always attentive and there are times i cleat the jib off
usually not
in most days of up to 20n wind i don't need to
they stay where they are set.

to answer your question: when the wind freshens and the jib needs to be
sheeted in
well ****.......i sheet it in

boats coming out in 2 weeks
i'll probably end up taking one last hard sail on her before then.
thanks for the interest

gf


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:37:09 -0400, "gonefishiing"
scribbled thusly:

on my boat, i don't cleat the jib
i take enough turns around the cleat to allow it to friction slide
based
on
wind conditions
if the wind picks up the jib "automatically" releases

A set and forget jib......wonderful.
What do you do when the wind freshens and the jib needs sheeting in?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.