"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

Like Bush???

Bush served in the military and received an honorable discharge. How, in
your perverse logic, do you consider that dodging the draft?

Perhaps we have been lied to on this side of the Atlantic. We've been
told that Bush avoided active duty by using family influence to get a
position in the National Guard. - and later he used the same influence to
avoid punishment for failing to complete his service.

In contrast, Kerry actually went to war in Vietnam.

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.






Did Bill Clinton serve in the military?

Maxcrap, I'm beginning to think that you are being deliberately stupid.

Do you honestly believe name-calling and an ad hominem attack constitute a
cogent argument or a valid debate?

No, I don't.
I just couldn't resist it!!!! "Maxcrap" seemed so appropriate ....


Frankly, I don't really give a rat's ass
what you think, for in this election I can do something which you cannot.
Vote.

Will you use your vote wisely?



Regards


Donal
--

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

Now I thought you were going to call Kerry the corrupt coward. How silly of
me.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

Now I thought you were going to call Kerry the corrupt coward. How silly
of
me.

Yes, how silly of you. He must have been referring to Clinton.

Max

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

Like Bush???

Bush served in the military and received an honorable discharge. How, in
your perverse logic, do you consider that dodging the draft?

Perhaps we have been lied to on this side of the Atlantic. We've been
told that Bush avoided active duty by using family influence to get a
position in the National Guard. - and later he used the same influence to
avoid punishment for failing to complete his service.

In contrast, Kerry actually went to war in Vietnam.

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by, something that he's done his entire life. And
it is rather odd-maybe not, I'm sure the psychologists have something to
explain the phenomenom-that there are so many chickenhawks in the Bush
administration, then again, birds of a feather. BTW, chickenhawk, which is
also used as a definition for a homosexual pimp, is a person that is a
strong advocate of military action while never having served in the military
themselves. The few Republicans that have served in combat, guys like McCain
and Chuck Hagel, are fairly circumspect when advocating military action as
the first option in a political crisis.
John Cairns

"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or against.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Max

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I
don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am reasonably
sure that it will happen. Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want to
call it, he declined.
http://tinylink.com/?CgYuoyN3JV

John Cairns

"John Cairns" wrote
Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard?
.....

Here's what I've been told. He didn't need the NG to dodge the draft - no
Texans of his social status were being drafted, nor did he need influence to
get into the Texas NG - they were advertising for college grads.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:11:23 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote this crap:

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I


I got into the guard, and I didn't have any family influence.


don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am reasonably
sure that it will happen. Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want to
call it, he declined.


It takes a lot of guts to get into a jet, and fly off. Probably more
guts than cruising around in a stinkboat.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:11:23 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote this crap:

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I


I got into the guard, and I didn't have any family influence.

You can also get into gay bars without any influence.

It takes a lot of guts to get into a jet, and fly off. Probably more
guts than cruising around in a stinkboat.

Yeah, especially when they aren't x-raying the cargo.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"John Cairns" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used
his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Max

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard?

Do you have evidence that he did? I'd be pleased to take a look at it, if
so. Or are you simply making assumptions based upon your prejudice?

I
don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am
reasonably
sure that it will happen.

I can provide concrete evidence that it will. I'll ask again--can you
provide ANY evidence that W used influence to get into the Guard (not that
getting into the Guard required any)?

Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when
Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want
to
call it, he declined.

Bravery? Lunacy is more like it. Were you around during Vietnam? If so
you'd realize it was no place to go with the intent of returning home alive
or even in one piece. Kerry was stupid to volunteer to go. The only
intelligence he displayed in the matter was using minor injuries to get his
ass outta there.

As for Bush, he WAS in the military, he DID fulfill his obligation, and he
DID receive an honorable discharge. Beyond that anything you and Mr. Ganz
contend about his service is mere speculation. To paraphrase Cuba Gooding,
Jr. in "Jerry McGuire": Show me the evidence!

Max