No. I'm accusing Bush of failing to tell us why he didn't show up for his
physical and why he disobeyed a direct order to do so. I'm accusing Bush of
lying about how he got into the ANG and how he got out.

Clinton lied about a blow job, not about the reasons for invading another
country.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Yes, he dodged the draft. So did Bush. The difference is that Clinton
admitted it.
Bush is the liar.

Bush served, flew, and received an honorable discharge. Are you accusing
the US armed services of lying?

Try as you might to defend Clinton on this issue, that dog won't hunt.

Max

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"Donal" wrote in message

Like Bush???

Bush served in the military and received an honorable discharge. How, in
your perverse logic, do you consider that dodging the draft?

Perhaps we have been lied to on this side of the Atlantic. We've been
told that Bush avoided active duty by using family influence to get a
position in the National Guard. - and later he used the same influence to
avoid punishment for failing to complete his service.

In contrast, Kerry actually went to war in Vietnam.

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.






Did Bill Clinton serve in the military?

Maxcrap, I'm beginning to think that you are being deliberately stupid.

Do you honestly believe name-calling and an ad hominem attack constitute a
cogent argument or a valid debate?

No, I don't.
I just couldn't resist it!!!! "Maxcrap" seemed so appropriate ....


Frankly, I don't really give a rat's ass
what you think, for in this election I can do something which you cannot.
Vote.

Will you use your vote wisely?



Regards


Donal
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It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

Now I thought you were going to call Kerry the corrupt coward. How silly of
me.

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

Like Bush???

Bush served in the military and received an honorable discharge. How, in
your perverse logic, do you consider that dodging the draft?

Perhaps we have been lied to on this side of the Atlantic. We've been
told that Bush avoided active duty by using family influence to get a
position in the National Guard. - and later he used the same influence to
avoid punishment for failing to complete his service.

In contrast, Kerry actually went to war in Vietnam.

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by, something that he's done his entire life. And
it is rather odd-maybe not, I'm sure the psychologists have something to
explain the phenomenom-that there are so many chickenhawks in the Bush
administration, then again, birds of a feather. BTW, chickenhawk, which is
also used as a definition for a homosexual pimp, is a person that is a
strong advocate of military action while never having served in the military
themselves. The few Republicans that have served in combat, guys like McCain
and Chuck Hagel, are fairly circumspect when advocating military action as
the first option in a political crisis.
John Cairns

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the
other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


When the corrupt coward became Commander in Chief, he used his power to
send
more honest citizens to their deaths in a foreign land.

Now I thought you were going to call Kerry the corrupt coward. How silly
of
me.

Yes, how silly of you. He must have been referring to Clinton.

Max

"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or against.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

Interesting that you guys are debating history while your leader and
his Govt preside over pushing the country into horrendous debt.
revoking of personal freedom, heightened risk of terrorist attack and
looming high interest rates and reduction of services.

Interesting, perhaps, but this history debate was fostered by John F. Kerry
himself, touting his Vietnam War era service. Had he not referred to
himself as a war hero repeatedly, this issue might never have seen the light
of day.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Max

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I
don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am reasonably
sure that it will happen. Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want to
call it, he declined.
http://tinylink.com/?CgYuoyN3JV

John Cairns

He was a war hero, while Bush remains a snivelling little boy.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote in message

Interesting that you guys are debating history while your leader and
his Govt preside over pushing the country into horrendous debt.
revoking of personal freedom, heightened risk of terrorist attack and
looming high interest rates and reduction of services.

Interesting, perhaps, but this history debate was fostered by John F.
Kerry
himself, touting his Vietnam War era service. Had he not referred to
himself as a war hero repeatedly, this issue might never have seen the
light
of day.

Max

It's a documented fact. Open your eyes.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Max