What in your Ditch Kit Abandon ship bag
 

I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

I don't have a ditch kit. If I ditch I can be home in a short period of time
watching TV.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

"Joe" wrote in message
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I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of
land.

Joe, would you respect me more if I did sail out of sight of land?

Scotty

you do understand that the answer will most likely change in the morning?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote
Joe, would you respect me more if I did sail out of sight of land?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of
land.

Joe, would you respect me more if I did sail out of sight of land?

Scotty

Sailing out of the sight of land is not deep sea, open ocean. But its a start.

I would respect your sailing ability more perhaps.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of
land.

Joe, would you respect me more if I did sail out of sight of land?

Scotty

Sailing out of the sight of land is not deep sea, open ocean. But
its a start.

I would respect your sailing ability more perhaps.


OK, hold that thought.

Scotty

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of
land.

Joe, would you respect me more if I did sail out of sight of land?

Wake up, Scott,
Joe only sails out of land when the visibility is less than 200 yds!

Regards


Donal
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Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry. EPIRB and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb). Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?) 6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,
inflatable solar still. 2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores). Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...

Cheers

Joe wrote:

I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

You have a pocket bible in your ditch bag?

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry. EPIRB and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb). Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?) 6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,
inflatable solar still. 2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores). Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...

Cheers

Joe wrote:

I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

Of course, some people need invisible support and I try to be a
considerate master. If nothing else you can use it for word games.

Cheers

katysails wrote:

You have a pocket bible in your ditch bag?

"Nav" wrote in message
...

Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry. EPIRB and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb). Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?) 6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,
inflatable solar still. 2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores). Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...

Cheers

Joe wrote:


I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

Nav,
I was in a survival course this past July. Somewhere in my past I was told
to consume salt when sweating a lot. So I put salt in my theoretical
survival bag. The class expert (some Australian who's survived every desert
on the planet, and whose name I could recall only if forced to) informed
those of us who chose salt that we were dinosaurs, and we should throw the
salt away immediately. I believe he said I was a victim of uninformed
football coaches, to be exact.
Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout

"Nav" wrote
[snip]
salt tablets

I'd say he is wrong (IMHO). Salt depletion _can_ be a problem
(especially with diarrhea) and drinking sea water to replace salt may be
bad due to the magnesium. If you need 7% saline for wounds or eyebaths
then pure salt is preferred over sea water. Hence salt tablets.

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Nav,
I was in a survival course this past July. Somewhere in my past I was told
to consume salt when sweating a lot. So I put salt in my theoretical
survival bag. The class expert (some Australian who's survived every desert
on the planet, and whose name I could recall only if forced to) informed
those of us who chose salt that we were dinosaurs, and we should throw the
salt away immediately. I believe he said I was a victim of uninformed
football coaches, to be exact.
Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout

"Nav" wrote

[snip]
salt tablets

Yep, I got a few of his tricky questions wrong. For instance, I voted to
kill and eat a rabbit, in spite of low water rations, and he gave me the
thumbs down, saying I'd use up precious water digesting the critter.
Actually, the point of the exercise was to show how groups tend to do better
than individuals. We were given individual scores on the survival test, and
then were allowed to collaborate and come to agreement on team answers.
Every single person did better with the group than they did alone.
Interestingly, the facilitator told us that the only groups he has ever
worked with that did worse when working together were police.
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
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I'd say he is wrong (IMHO). Salt depletion _can_ be a problem (especially
with diarrhea) and drinking sea water to replace salt may be bad due to
the magnesium. If you need 7% saline for wounds or eyebaths then pure salt
is preferred over sea water. Hence salt tablets.

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Nav,
I was in a survival course this past July. Somewhere in my past I was
told to consume salt when sweating a lot. So I put salt in my theoretical
survival bag. The class expert (some Australian who's survived every
desert on the planet, and whose name I could recall only if forced to)
informed those of us who chose salt that we were dinosaurs, and we should
throw the salt away immediately. I believe he said I was a victim of
uninformed football coaches, to be exact.
Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout

"Nav" wrote

[snip]
salt tablets

Scout wrote:

Yep, I got a few of his tricky questions wrong. For instance, I voted to
kill and eat a rabbit, in spite of low water rations, and he gave me the
thumbs down, saying I'd use up precious water digesting the critter.

I guess that would depend on whether and what you sh*t afterwards...
Since you can produce urine more concentrated that tissue fluid I'd say
you should gain water from eating nice juicy rabbit muscle (bled of course).

Cheers

Oops, typo I mean .7% saline.

Cheers

Nav wrote:

I'd say he is wrong (IMHO). Salt depletion _can_ be a problem
(especially with diarrhea) and drinking sea water to replace salt may be
bad due to the magnesium. If you need 7% saline for wounds or eyebaths
then pure salt is preferred over sea water. Hence salt tablets.

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Nav,
I was in a survival course this past July. Somewhere in my past I was
told to consume salt when sweating a lot. So I put salt in my
theoretical survival bag. The class expert (some Australian who's
survived every desert on the planet, and whose name I could recall
only if forced to) informed those of us who chose salt that we were
dinosaurs, and we should throw the salt away immediately. I believe he
said I was a victim of uninformed football coaches, to be exact.
Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout

"Nav" wrote

[snip]
salt tablets

Oh and I forgot the mylar space blankets.

Cheers

Nav wrote:

Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry. EPIRB and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb). Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?) 6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,
inflatable solar still. 2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores). Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...

Cheers

Joe wrote:

I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

Well this web expert seems to agree with you:

http://members.cox.net/drslim/ch2.html

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Nav,
I was in a survival course this past July. Somewhere in my past I was told
to consume salt when sweating a lot. So I put salt in my theoretical
survival bag. The class expert (some Australian who's survived every desert
on the planet, and whose name I could recall only if forced to) informed
those of us who chose salt that we were dinosaurs, and we should throw the
salt away immediately. I believe he said I was a victim of uninformed
football coaches, to be exact.
Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout

"Nav" wrote

[snip]
salt tablets

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:02:15 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:


Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout


I put it on my driveway during the winter.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You should throw it over your shoulder, given what a lousy boat you have.
You need all the luck you can get!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:02:15 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:


Anyway, I was wondering under what circumstances you would use your salt.
Scout


I put it on my driveway during the winter.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Nav wrote in message ...
Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry.

Can it float with so much gear? Do you blow it up or what?




EPIRB

My epirb is mounted and teathered to the mizzen mast. Just incase I
can not get to a ditch kit


and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb).

The LED flashlight is cool and a good ideal. I will get one soon. Also
would like an IR strobe

Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?)

Mine are for catching food.

6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,


inflatable solar still.

Another nice item I do not have. How big is your and how much water
will it make?



2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores).

It in my First aid pck

Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...

Sharks tend to be attracted to rafts, they are looking for fish under
them.
A .25 is great for shooting them if they get agressive and start
bumbing your raft/boat.


Joe

Cheers

Joe wrote:

I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:18:28 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:


Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry. EPIRB and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and
waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb). Very good
fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?) 6 compact dual
smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,
inflatable solar still. 2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores). Water
proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...


Hmmm, I also include a couple of tubes of Bepanthen...way better than
anything else for sores or rashes and sealing over cuts.....and hats,
full brimmed hats.

I have another bag that I'd grab if time allowed it contains dry
clothes, long sleeved tops and most importantly spare hats.


Good point there. Even zinc is not as good as a hat. How about
sunglasses too?

Cheers

It floats easily. Most of the items are not really that dense, and even
the heaviest item (the water bottle) floats by itself.

Cheers

Joe wrote:

Nav wrote in message ...

Hi Joe,

My ditch bag is a clear water proof soft bag that will float and is very
easy to carry.


Can it float with so much gear? Do you blow it up or what?




EPIRB

My epirb is mounted and teathered to the mizzen mast. Just incase I
can not get to a ditch kit


and VHF with spare batteries for the VHF and

waterproof flash lights (one has high efficiency LED bulb -I modified a
maglight myself and the other super bright halogen bulb).


The LED flashlight is cool and a good ideal. I will get one soon. Also
would like an IR strobe

Very good

fishing lures and line (mainly to take care of boredom?)


Mine are for catching food.

6 compact dual

smoke/flame flares, 10 l water, high sugar emergency ration bars,



inflatable solar still.


Another nice item I do not have. How big is your and how much water
will it make?



2 tubs zinc oxide (sun screen and sores).

It in my First aid pck

Water

proof matches. Mini pocket bible, water proof paper and pencils. Usual
first aid kit with sutures and iodine as well as sea sickness tablets,
salt tablets, diarrhea tablets, two types of antibiotic and appetite
reduction tablets. Needles and thread. Length of paracord and 2 swiss
army knives. Passports go in it as well if we go offshore. Whistles and
strobes are on all the lifejackets.

I didn't include a GPS. I have no gun as I don't think I'm going to have
to fight off my rescuers...


Sharks tend to be attracted to rafts, they are looking for fish under
them.
A .25 is great for shooting them if they get agressive and start
bumbing your raft/boat.


Joe


Cheers

Joe wrote:


I know most here have small baots that never leave the sight of land.
But perhaps one or 2 of the ASA sailors have a ditch kit survival bag
kit.

It the first thing you grab after launching the raft or lifeboat.

Whats in yours?

I have flares (all kinds), smoke signals, signal mirror, water,
carmel, smokes, fishing gear, knife, patch kit, first aid kit,
matches, HH VHF, HH GPS, flashlight, strobe, .25 pistol, whistles,
knife, solar blankets.

My kit is in a floating watertight surplus 50cal ammo box and painted
on it is ABANDON SHIP KIT

What else should an deep water ditch kit contain?

Joe

One thing I didn't think of at the time, but should have, was that in the
circumstances in which I actually used salt tablets (extreme water loss due
to heavy work in very hot conditions), water intake was not a problem (i.e.,
unlimited drinking water was available). So in that case, I guess
replenishing salt makes sense, whereas in a water rationing situation, it
makes sense not to exasperate the dehydration problem with more salt intake.
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
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Scout wrote:

Yep, I got a few of his tricky questions wrong. For instance, I voted to
kill and eat a rabbit, in spite of low water rations, and he gave me the
thumbs down, saying I'd use up precious water digesting the critter.

I guess that would depend on whether and what you sh*t afterwards... Since
you can produce urine more concentrated that tissue fluid I'd say you
should gain water from eating nice juicy rabbit muscle (bled of course).

Cheers

Maybe but salt has other uses as well. Do not underestimate the effects
of electrolyte loss (rehydrate is better) if people are sick.

Cheers

Scout wrote:

One thing I didn't think of at the time, but should have, was that in the
circumstances in which I actually used salt tablets (extreme water loss due
to heavy work in very hot conditions), water intake was not a problem (i.e.,
unlimited drinking water was available). So in that case, I guess
replenishing salt makes sense, whereas in a water rationing situation, it
makes sense not to exasperate the dehydration problem with more salt intake.
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:


Yep, I got a few of his tricky questions wrong. For instance, I voted to
kill and eat a rabbit, in spite of low water rations, and he gave me the
thumbs down, saying I'd use up precious water digesting the critter.

I guess that would depend on whether and what you sh*t afterwards... Since
you can produce urine more concentrated that tissue fluid I'd say you
should gain water from eating nice juicy rabbit muscle (bled of course).

Cheers

I need no kit because I sail the Chesapeake bay and its tributaries
exclusively and one cannot drown in the these waters. They are so polluted
that the e-coli and pesticides will kill you before you can drown, let alone
use a ditch kit.

In article ,
Vito wrote:
I need no kit because I sail the Chesapeake bay and its tributaries
exclusively and one cannot drown in the these waters. They are so polluted
that the e-coli and pesticides will kill you before you can drown, let alone
use a ditch kit.

Don't need a ditch bag in the SF bay either. The currents are so fast
that you'll either wind up in Hawaii before you drown or in Bezerkeley
and get hit up for some spare change.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Yikes! Was it you who used to claim they were the best sailing waters in
the world?

Cheers

Vito wrote:

I need no kit because I sail the Chesapeake bay and its tributaries
exclusively and one cannot drown in the these waters. They are so polluted
that the e-coli and pesticides will kill you before you can drown, let alone
use a ditch kit.