Nav wrote:





I never fired a modified FN (i.e. with full auto) but the recoil was
quite large and seemed (to me) to make the semi-auto about as much as
one would want. Could you keep it anywhere near a target on auto? How
did you make it fire a 3 round burst -was it a further modification?


Here we used to use two versions of the FN, designated FNC1 and FNC2, (FN Canada), C1 was semi auto with twenty round clips, the C2 was full auto with
a bipod, heavier barrel, modified barrel attachment to facilitate rapid changes, and thirty round clips.

I have fired both weapons extensively, you are correct, on full auto the C2 climbs up to the left something fierce, the idea is to squeeze of a short
burst of three rounds, it takes a bit of practice.

That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated, heavy and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:

Nav wrote:





I never fired a modified FN (i.e. with full auto) but the recoil was
quite large and seemed (to me) to make the semi-auto about as much as
one would want. Could you keep it anywhere near a target on auto? How
did you make it fire a 3 round burst -was it a further modification?


Here we used to use two versions of the FN, designated FNC1 and FNC2,
(FN Canada), C1 was semi auto with twenty round clips, the C2 was full
auto with a bipod, heavier barrel, modified barrel attachment to
facilitate rapid changes, and thirty round clips.

I have fired both weapons extensively, you are correct, on full auto the
C2 climbs up to the left something fierce, the idea is to squeeze of a
short burst of three rounds, it takes a bit of practice.

That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated, heavy
and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.


Yes, I agree the recoil is (was) not well enough controlled to make it a
great automatic weapon. It was also not that accurate I(MHO) as compared
to the .303 I shot in competition. However I often ended the day with a
sore shoulder from firing .303 in a shirt and never had such a problem
with the FN SLR. People still use .303 for hunting here -how about in
Canada?

I'm still not able to get out of Doug exactly what this FN FAL weapon
was that fired an (accurate?) automatic 3 round burst. From my
recollection of the firing meachnaism I don't see how it could be
accomplished without a major rework of the trigger and selector
mechanisms. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to do such a thing with
better automatic weapons around.

Cheers

Nav wrote:

That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated,
heavy and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.


Yes, I agree the recoil is (was) not well enough controlled to make it a
great automatic weapon. It was also not that accurate I(MHO) as compared
to the .303 I shot in competition. However I often ended the day with a
sore shoulder from firing .303 in a shirt and never had such a problem
with the FN SLR. People still use .303 for hunting here -how about in
Canada?

Indeed the gas operation takes up a lot of the recoil, and for a lot of people this
makes the FN, or any other gas operated semi-auto more accurate for that person, (less afraid of
a sore shoulder), even though the weapon is in fact inherenltly less accurate. Yes we still use .303, quite a few
"sporterized" Lee Enfields out there.



I'm still not able to get out of Doug exactly what this FN FAL weapon
was that fired an (accurate?) automatic 3 round burst. From my
recollection of the firing meachnaism I don't see how it could be
accomplished without a major rework of the trigger and selector
mechanisms.

Indeed, I think it was slip on Dougs' part, I can't recall seeing any version of the FAL in Janes
that has selective 3 round burst, he must have been thinking of another weapon.

Cheers
Marty
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to do such a thing with
better automatic weapons around.

Cheers

Martin Baxter wrote:

Nav wrote:


That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated,
heavy and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.


Yes, I agree the recoil is (was) not well enough controlled to make it
a great automatic weapon. It was also not that accurate I(MHO) as
compared to the .303 I shot in competition. However I often ended the
day with a sore shoulder from firing .303 in a shirt and never had
such a problem with the FN SLR. People still use .303 for hunting here
-how about in Canada?


Indeed the gas operation takes up a lot of the recoil, and for a lot of
people this
makes the FN, or any other gas operated semi-auto more accurate for that
person, (less afraid of
a sore shoulder), even though the weapon is in fact inherenltly less
accurate. Yes we still use .303, quite a few
"sporterized" Lee Enfields out there.



I'm still not able to get out of Doug exactly what this FN FAL weapon
was that fired an (accurate?) automatic 3 round burst. From my
recollection of the firing meachnaism I don't see how it could be
accomplished without a major rework of the trigger and selector
mechanisms.


Indeed, I think it was slip on Dougs' part, I can't recall seeing any
version of the FAL in Janes
that has selective 3 round burst, he must have been thinking of another
weapon.


Yes, I thought Doug was wrong too -from my limited recollection of the
mechanism (although I used to be able to strip and reassenble the FN SLR
blindfold a long time ago!). That aside, I can't imagine why he would
want to claim to have fired an accurate group from the shoulder in a 3
round burst. Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!

Cheers

Nav wrote:

Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!


Indeed, did the saw in half thing once with a SMG (Patchet, 9mm), only it was from about
two metres! RSM was a tad red but kept mum.

Cheers
Marty

Nav wrote:
Yes, I thought Doug was wrong too

Yep, you always do.

... -from my limited recollection of the
mechanism (although I used to be able to strip and reassenble the FN SLR
blindfold a long time ago!).

Navvie, an "SLR" is a self loading rifle. How many different types do
you think the FN group has produced over the years?


...That aside, I can't imagine why he would
want to claim to have fired an accurate group from the shoulder in a 3
round burst.

Been taking speed-reading lessons from Jaxxie again?

... Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!

And you would have deserved it, wasting the taxpayers money like that.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

Yes, I thought Doug was wrong too


Yep, you always do.

... -from my limited recollection of the mechanism (although I used to
be able to strip and reassenble the FN SLR blindfold a long time ago!).


Navvie, an "SLR" is a self loading rifle. How many different types do
you think the FN group has produced over the years?


You tell me. How many SLRs fire 3 round bursts?

...That aside, I can't imagine why he would want to claim to have
fired an accurate group from the shoulder in a 3 round burst.


Been taking speed-reading lessons from Jaxxie again?

That's what you said. I'll quote you:

"It's one of the settings for select fire. Pull the trigger, it squirts
out 3. Usually a pretty tight group even from the shoulder, too. "

Cheers


And you would have deserved it, wasting the taxpayers money like that.



Maybe but I was young and enjoying the power offered by the fire ower of
the GPMG. Fortunately I have grown up and no longer need weapons to make
me sure I'm a real man.

Cheers