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Damage control
What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.?
Dunnage, plugs. bracing, patches, ect to keep your vessel floating if you hole your hull. Joe |
We have a complete set of bung plugs that match all our through hull hole
sizes, plus a great assortment of life vests of the kapok floppy sort left over from when the boat was raced that could be stuffed into a big hole plus there's an extra old genny that we keep forward in the v-berth... "Joe" wrote in message om... What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Dunnage, plugs. bracing, patches, ect to keep your vessel floating if you hole your hull. Joe |
besides the good items mentioned by Katy and Joe that some various bits of
plywood and a tub of plastic cement that seals while wet. I tried the plywood bits to see where they would fit, where they might help without being toolarge to store or too small to be of use. What I got rid of was too many through hulls and oh yes, the panic prone. Going a bit further with the old sail was to make one into collision mats already rigged with lines. Finally the bow area is made into a collision bulkhead. Closest I've come so far is hitting a floating log up in BC and having an engine stick in forward gear while laying the boat into it's slip. Knock on formica. M. "katysails" wrote in message ... We have a complete set of bung plugs that match all our through hull hole sizes, plus a great assortment of life vests of the kapok floppy sort left over from when the boat was raced that could be stuffed into a big hole plus there's an extra old genny that we keep forward in the v-berth... "Joe" wrote in message om... What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Dunnage, plugs. bracing, patches, ect to keep your vessel floating if you hole your hull. Joe |
I believe Seahag prefers the butt connectors.
As for me, I keep a pair of clean shorts onboard. Scout "katysails" wrote We have a complete set of bung plugs |
"Joe" wrote in message What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Rum. Oh, and we have bungs on lanyards attached to each thru-hull, plus lots of replacement hose clamps. Did I mention Rum? Max |
To each his own, I guess.....
And I think its' not the butt connectors Haggie likes but the butts themselves that she admires (or so I've heard...) "Scout" wrote in message ... I believe Seahag prefers the butt connectors. As for me, I keep a pair of clean shorts onboard. Scout "katysails" wrote We have a complete set of bung plugs |
He also has a little bitty doggie that would just fit into a split seam if
he had to....she would complain a lot, but in the interest of saving her masters she would be up to the task... "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "Joe" wrote in message What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Rum. Oh, and we have bungs on lanyards attached to each thru-hull, plus lots of replacement hose clamps. Did I mention Rum? Max |
OH! That's what I forgot to get at the chandlery yesterday. The
wood plugs I had ( they came with the boat) were still in the original plastic bag but they turned to mush. gotta write it down. Scotty "katysails" wrote in message ... We have a complete set of bung plugs that match all our through hull hole sizes, plus a great assortment of life vests of the kapok floppy sort left over from when the boat was raced that could be stuffed into a big hole plus there's an extra old genny that we keep forward in the v-berth... "Joe" wrote in message om... What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Dunnage, plugs. bracing, patches, ect to keep your vessel floating if you hole your hull. Joe |
"katysails" wrote in message He also has a little bitty doggie that would just fit into a split seam if he had to....she would complain a lot, but in the interest of saving her masters she would be up to the task... Actually had two dogs this weekend--dogsitting the neighbor's, which is a sib to Niki. But no, we'd all drown before we allowed Nik to do that sort of duty. Max |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message OH! That's what I forgot to get at the chandlery yesterday. The wood plugs I had ( they came with the boat) were still in the original plastic bag but they turned to mush. Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Max |
one thing i did do last year was to re-plumb the raw water intake.
to include a valve in the engine compartment with a hose bib to facilitate winterizing the boat. it also serves as a very capable bilge pump should the occasion present itself. set of bungs. hose clamps extra hose for engine raw water. been there when a hose busted at 2 in the morning. (why does everything that is critcal happen at 2 in the morning?) rebuilt the emergency bilge pump (manual) other than that: an eprib, a hand held radio and flares sit just inside the campionway gf. "Joe" wrote in message om... What type of damage control gear do you keep on board.? Dunnage, plugs. bracing, patches, ect to keep your vessel floating if you hole your hull. Joe |
Maxprop wrote:
Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
The plugs have come in handy for me because they're easy to jam into a hose.
Sometimes you don't want to force a seacock, or they can be hard to reach. "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
We have plugs and duct tape/plastic onboard. The real joke is
the "emergency tiller." It would only take about 1/2 hour to get the damn thing on. We tried it one day at the dock, what a joke. (This was on a Yamaha 30.) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
DSK wrote in message ...
Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK Sounds like a good ideal Doug, but I would only add duct tape and bags to my DC kit. Plugs are great to use from the outside in. That way if you have a spare valve and threading gear you can fix a busted thru hull offshore. I think thru hulls are an easy fix. What I would worry about is tears or long holes caused by something like smaking the corner of a submerged container or sharp reef. How would you fix lets say a 2 inch wide 14" long hole? Joe Joe |
Trying to remember the model of boat, but the emergency tiller was steered
from the aft cabin!!!! John Cairns "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... We have plugs and duct tape/plastic onboard. The real joke is the "emergency tiller." It would only take about 1/2 hour to get the damn thing on. We tried it one day at the dock, what a joke. (This was on a Yamaha 30.) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
Joe wrote:
Sounds like a good ideal Doug, but I would only add duct tape and bags to my DC kit. Plugs are great to use from the outside in. That's true. ... That way if you have a spare valve and threading gear you can fix a busted thru hull offshore. You gonna carry a set of 2" and larger pipe thread dies? I think thru hulls are an easy fix. So far, I have had pretty easy times with all the ones I've tangled with. ... What I would worry about is tears or long holes caused by something like smaking the corner of a submerged container or sharp reef. Not in a steel boat, you shouldn't. The two worst case failure modes for you would be a welded seam opening up or rust through. In either case, you're unlikely to fix it while afloat... the answer is to duct tape (or something) it so as to minimize leaks and get her hauled pronto. ... How would you fix lets say a 2 inch wide 14" long hole? I wouldn't. I'd brace a cushion against it or put a mat over the outside (fothering). Either should seal pretty good if you plaster some 3M-101 or something similar (tallow?) over the contact face. Get the boat to haul out, then get to work with grinder & West System. It's likely that a hole as big as 14" is going to involve some structural compromise, you wouldn't want to keep sailing the boat... at least, not hard anyway... if you had the option. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
That's why you need rags....you jam a rag in and then jam the plug in and
the rag fills in the edges.....old socks would work good, too....or grundy undies.... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
Isn't that the Caralina 34?
"John Cairns" wrote in message om... Trying to remember the model of boat, but the emergency tiller was steered from the aft cabin!!!! John Cairns "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... We have plugs and duct tape/plastic onboard. The real joke is the "emergency tiller." It would only take about 1/2 hour to get the damn thing on. We tried it one day at the dock, what a joke. (This was on a Yamaha 30.) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
I'd jam all the bedding into it first and then get a sail and do the under
the hull thing..... "Joe" wrote in message om... DSK wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK Sounds like a good ideal Doug, but I would only add duct tape and bags to my DC kit. Plugs are great to use from the outside in. That way if you have a spare valve and threading gear you can fix a busted thru hull offshore. I think thru hulls are an easy fix. What I would worry about is tears or long holes caused by something like smaking the corner of a submerged container or sharp reef. How would you fix lets say a 2 inch wide 14" long hole? Joe Joe |
We sort of had to do that once on a Beneteau in BVI. The transmission
wouldn't engage, so I had my friend head first in the engine compartment shifting into forward then out of gear for us. Loads of fun! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "John Cairns" wrote in message om... Trying to remember the model of boat, but the emergency tiller was steered from the aft cabin!!!! John Cairns "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... We have plugs and duct tape/plastic onboard. The real joke is the "emergency tiller." It would only take about 1/2 hour to get the damn thing on. We tried it one day at the dock, what a joke. (This was on a Yamaha 30.) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:32:20 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap: That's why you need rags....you jam a rag in and then jam the plug in and the rag fills in the edges.....old socks would work good, too....or grundy undies.... Who wears "undies" on a boat? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:38:09 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: We sort of had to do that once on a Beneteau in BVI. The transmission wouldn't engage, so I had my friend head first in the engine compartment shifting into forward then out of gear for us. Loads of fun! You had your friend giving you head on your gearshift? That's one of the gayest posts you've ever had. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:32:20 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: That's why you need rags....you jam a rag in and then jam the plug in and the rag fills in the edges.....old socks would work good, too....or grundy undies.... Who wears "undies" on a boat? That's all I wear. Scotty |
John Cairns wrote:
Trying to remember the model of boat, but the emergency tiller was steered from the aft cabin!!!! The O'Day 37 and Whitby 42 are like that... probably true of many aft-cabin boats. Emergency steering is a sore point on many boats. The emergency tiller is difficult to connect, the connection is not as strong as it should be (especially considering that it will most likely be used under strenuous conditions), the tiller too short without enough mechanical advantage (ditto parenthetical note above), and obstructions in the cockpit prevent the emergency tiller from being swung thru a proper arc for steering. For most boats, the emergency steering is a poor afterthought. Serious racers are somewhat better in that regard, it's a requirement for ORC Cat 1 & 2... wouldn't it be cool to require one race out of a major series be held with all boats using emergency steering? It'd be an eye-opener I bet. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
"katysails" wrote in message ...
I'd jam all the bedding into it first and then get a sail and do the under the hull thing..... Isnt you boat a full keeler? If so how the sail under the hull thing gonna work? Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... DSK wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK Sounds like a good ideal Doug, but I would only add duct tape and bags to my DC kit. Plugs are great to use from the outside in. That way if you have a spare valve and threading gear you can fix a busted thru hull offshore. I think thru hulls are an easy fix. What I would worry about is tears or long holes caused by something like smaking the corner of a submerged container or sharp reef. How would you fix lets say a 2 inch wide 14" long hole? Joe Joe |
Scott Vernon wrote:
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Horvath wrote: My friend gave me head on my gearshift? That's one of the gayest times I've ever had. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Horvath wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:32:20 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: That's why you need rags....you jam a rag in and then jam the plug in and the rag fills in the edges.....old socks would work good, too....or grundy undies.... Who wears "undies" on a boat? Apparently neither you nor your boyfriend. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
How do you think a seacock breaks?
Cheers DSK wrote: Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
Correct. And a softwood plug gets tighter with time.
Cheers Jeff Morris wrote: The plugs have come in handy for me because they're easy to jam into a hose. Sometimes you don't want to force a seacock, or they can be hard to reach. "DSK" wrote in message . .. Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
Civilized people....obviously not you since you begged the question....
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:32:20 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: That's why you need rags....you jam a rag in and then jam the plug in and the rag fills in the edges.....old socks would work good, too....or grundy undies.... Who wears "undies" on a boat? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Our e-tiller is a piece of iron tubing that fits on top of the ruffer post
that is capped off on the stern...if you had to, you could fit another pipe into it to extend it, but you'd have to take the wheel off to make room....I suppose we should try it once to see if it works (or how hard it works) but I think we'll wait until the bad thing hits and we're forced to use it...BTW...we have an aft cabin boat and it's not in the aft cabin.... "DSK" wrote in message . .. John Cairns wrote: Trying to remember the model of boat, but the emergency tiller was steered from the aft cabin!!!! The O'Day 37 and Whitby 42 are like that... probably true of many aft-cabin boats. Emergency steering is a sore point on many boats. The emergency tiller is difficult to connect, the connection is not as strong as it should be (especially considering that it will most likely be used under strenuous conditions), the tiller too short without enough mechanical advantage (ditto parenthetical note above), and obstructions in the cockpit prevent the emergency tiller from being swung thru a proper arc for steering. For most boats, the emergency steering is a poor afterthought. Serious racers are somewhat better in that regard, it's a requirement for ORC Cat 1 & 2... wouldn't it be cool to require one race out of a major series be held with all boats using emergency steering? It'd be an eye-opener I bet. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
If I got a hole that large, you can bet your booties the fin is gone.....
"Joe" wrote in message om... "katysails" wrote in message ... I'd jam all the bedding into it first and then get a sail and do the under the hull thing..... Isnt you boat a full keeler? If so how the sail under the hull thing gonna work? Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... DSK wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK Sounds like a good ideal Doug, but I would only add duct tape and bags to my DC kit. Plugs are great to use from the outside in. That way if you have a spare valve and threading gear you can fix a busted thru hull offshore. I think thru hulls are an easy fix. What I would worry about is tears or long holes caused by something like smaking the corner of a submerged container or sharp reef. How would you fix lets say a 2 inch wide 14" long hole? Joe Joe |
Too much exertion????
"Nav" wrote in message ... How do you think a seacock breaks? Cheers DSK wrote: Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
I have a custom stainless emergency tiller that was made by a crewmember's
company that is in the stainless steel business. It's better looking than a chrome anchor. I have wood bungs to fit the thru hulls. I figure that's all I need along with my Fortress anchor since I only day sail and race. I'm always close enough to shore to swim back. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:48:18 +1200, Nav wrote
this crap: Correct. And a softwood plug gets tighter with time. Don't tell Jon-boy, or he'll look for one. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
He would have to pressurize it first and I think that unlikely.
Cheers katysails wrote: Too much exertion???? "Nav" wrote in message ... How do you think a seacock breaks? Cheers DSK wrote: Maxprop wrote: Obviously the plugs should be fairly soft, such as basswood, pine, or soft maple (which is actually a hardwood, but a softer one). But those woods are prone to rot, if allowed to remain damp for periods. Soak them in some sort of oil, such as linseed, before storing them. Or you can make them from teak, but they'll be more difficult to keep in a thru-hull after driving them in. Frankly, I think duct tape and a trash bag is a lot more useful than a plug. If a seacock breaks, it is unlikely to leave a nice neat round hole to drive a plug in. But who am I to argue with age-old tradition? DSK |
I wonder how many dead men said that?
Cheers SAIL LOCO wrote: I have a custom stainless emergency tiller that was made by a crewmember's company that is in the stainless steel business. It's better looking than a chrome anchor. I have wood bungs to fit the thru hulls. I figure that's all I need along with my Fortress anchor since I only day sail and race. I'm always close enough to shore to swim back. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
..I
suppose we should try it once to see if it works (or how hard it works) Ya think???!!! RB |
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