Outboard motor storage?
 

Since we've got another going on outboards, another question comes to mind viz-a-viz two stroke vs four stroke storage.

Do the four stroke motors have a dry sump, if not can you store the motor in any position without loss of crankcase oil?

Cheers
Marty

Wet sumps.
IIRC, my Honda 8 owners manual, they say to set it down only on it's
carry handle, which gives it a slight downward tilt, but for long term
storage is best to have upright.

Scotty


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Since we've got another going on outboards, another question comes
to mind viz-a-viz two stroke vs four stroke storage.

Do the four stroke motors have a dry sump, if not can you store the
motor in any position without loss of crankcase oil?

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:
Since we've got another going on outboards, another question comes to
mind viz-a-viz two stroke vs four stroke storage.

Do the four stroke motors have a dry sump, if not can you store the
motor in any position without loss of crankcase oil?

The ones I know of don't have a dry sump. We had a Honda for years and
it had storage feet molded into one side of the case. Laying it down was
OK as long as it was level on these feet (according to the owners
manual). We stored it that way twice, for a couple of months, and it was
fine.

IIRC older Yamahas have the same sort of deal.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug's right. Now I remember. Two small lugs (feet), not the handle
to set on.

Scotty

"DSK" wrote in message
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Martin Baxter wrote:
Since we've got another going on outboards, another question comes
to
mind viz-a-viz two stroke vs four stroke storage.

Do the four stroke motors have a dry sump, if not can you store
the
motor in any position without loss of crankcase oil?

The ones I know of don't have a dry sump. We had a Honda for years
and
it had storage feet molded into one side of the case. Laying it down
was
OK as long as it was level on these feet (according to the owners
manual). We stored it that way twice, for a couple of months, and it
was
fine.

IIRC older Yamahas have the same sort of deal.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Nope, four stroke or two there are reasons to store them in a certain way
'starting' with a good fresh water flush. Always refer to your owners
manual and follow it implicitly. For mine there are two positions for
storage and only two but for long term that is reduced to one configuration.

M.

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Since we've got another going on outboards, another question comes to mind
viz-a-viz two stroke vs four stroke storage.

Do the four stroke motors have a dry sump, if not can you store the motor
in any position without loss of crankcase oil?

Cheers
Marty

Michael wrote:
Nope, four stroke or two there are reasons to store them in a certain way
'starting' with a good fresh water flush. Always refer to your owners
manual and follow it implicitly. For mine there are two positions for
storage and only two but for long term that is reduced to one configuration.

Michael:

What I was getting at is that I can throw my two stroke in a locker any which way I like, (having drained the little
gas from the carb.) and it doesn't really matter. If I do the same with a four stroke without draining the oil it would
seem likely that there is going to a problem with a lot of oil going where it is not wanted.

Cheers
Marty

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You can bet your life that Martin's toolbox is a rusty mess. He uses a tool
until it's dead, then runs to Walmart for more cheapie tools.

RB

Secondly I'm with the Crapton on
this one, I have a sail boat, not a motor boat, I don't rely on a motor, if
you want to rely on a motor then

If an outboard is part of a sailing boat's inventory it should be maintained to
a high standard, just like anything else on board. "Relying" on a dinghy motor
(or not) is not the issue.
Martin, you're an idiot. If you must troll foolishly, why not try it elsewhere?

RB

wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:11:23 -0400, Martin Baxter

I take care of ALL of my tools and equipment. You and the Crapton are
poor sailors if you treat ANY of your tools and equipment carelessly.
If you have a motor, or a pair of pliers or a laptop computer,

So, BB, you think that a Real sailor would have pliers and a computer
aboard, do you?

You are about as much of a sailor as Bobsprit is!


Regards


Donal
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So, BB, you think that a Real sailor would have pliers and a computer
aboard, do you?


If you read Latitudes and look at what "real" cruisers carry, the answer is
yes. Laptops are common and useful.
Donal, you blew it again!

RB

Try a little intellectual honesty sometime, if you dare.


This is Donal you're talking about. Let's keep our expectations grounded!

RB

If you have an outboard motor for your dinghy, it should be cared for
like any other tool.


The "man" sails a Beneteau. Let's hope he has a dinghy AND a liferaft!

RB

A computer is optional for most sailors, but it depends a lot on what they're
using it for. I don't bother for most cruises, but if I'm out for more than a
few weeks I certainly carry one. Some sailors use them for navigation, others
for photography, and everyone here uses one for email.

But a pliers? Are you saying the a sailor shouldn't have a pliers onboard? I
must have 10, including one always at the helm, with a knife and screwdriver.
One in the rigging bag, one or two in the electrical kit, a few in the general
tool bag, and that's without getting into the serious stuff.



"Donal" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:11:23 -0400, Martin Baxter

I take care of ALL of my tools and equipment. You and the Crapton are
poor sailors if you treat ANY of your tools and equipment carelessly.
If you have a motor, or a pair of pliers or a laptop computer,

So, BB, you think that a Real sailor would have pliers and a computer
aboard, do you?

You are about as much of a sailor as Bobsprit is!


Regards


Donal
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That reminds me - I was at the Newport Boat Show yesterday and went on a
Beneteau. As I stepped down into the saloon the floor squeaked! I said to
the salesman, "You know, there's a running joke on the internet ..." and he
said, "the floorboards squeak? Yea, I get that all the time!" He went on to
explain how they're working to correct the problem.

On another front, the Portabote guy said the limit for the outboard is not HP,
its 54 pounds. He didn't offer a suggestion (I didn't press) but preferred to
say that any small engine would get it up to 20 knots.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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If you have an outboard motor for your dinghy, it should be cared for
like any other tool.


The "man" sails a Beneteau. Let's hope he has a dinghy AND a liferaft!

RB

But a pliers? Are you saying the a sailor shouldn't have a pliers onboard?


Donald doesn't need pliers. Everything on a Beneteau is fastened with velcro.

RB

On another front, the Portabote guy said the limit for the outboard is not HP,
its 54 pounds. He didn't offer a suggestion (I didn't press) but preferred to
say that any small engine would get it up to 20 knots.

I called Portaboat and they suggested that the 4HP would do the same as the 5.
I'll probably go with the 4 and enjoy the built in tank option as well.

RB

She's not frigid, she just doesn't have a personality. She's perfect for
Donald!


I should warn you....don't talk about is ill fitting floor boards and don't
call him Donald!

RB

I said to
the salesman, "You know, there's a running joke on the internet ..." and he
said, "the floorboards squeak? Yea, I get that all the time!" He went on to
explain how they're working to correct the problem.

The new 49 at my club had the problem, but the 51 (with it's six cabins!) did
not. I liked the 51 with it's odd deck entry only crew quarters.

RB

A 51 with 6 cabins? Is this a sailboat or a cheap peep show?

Clearly she was set up for charter. There are 4 equal staterooms, each with a
head. There is, of course, a large salon. The forward cabin is only accessable
via a large forward hatch and short ladder. Below is a toilet and double bunk,
presumably for skipper and crew. The fellow bought her because he has 4 kids.
In that light, she's not a bad choice. She also has mirror-steering stations on
deck. I note a higher level of quality on the 51 than other Beneteaus and the
owner loves her.

RB

RB

Who? Donald with the squeaky sole?


My guess is "squeaky soul" is more like it. Donald loves this attention.

RB

there is a hunter moored next to my pearson
the damn thing has never left its mooring and each time i am aboard my boat
i've noticed that this hunter with its enormous freeboard and resultant
windage, is always sailing or on the edge of sailing about its mooring.
strange sight and really pretty scary
bridle is always twisted 20 times around itself
but with every gadget known to man aboard the owner is in love with her
i think after this season i'm moving my mooring.
gf.

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Meanwhile, Hunter has improved quality, but still insists on making boats
that
are just plain butt ugly. From their smallest to their largest, I can't
imagine
who would be attracted to these things. It sure isn't sailors.

BB

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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A computer is optional for most sailors, but it depends a lot on what
they're
using it for. I don't bother for most cruises, but if I'm out for more
than a
few weeks I certainly carry one. Some sailors use them for navigation,
others
for photography, and everyone here uses one for email.

But a pliers? Are you saying the a sailor shouldn't have a pliers
onboard?

A pliers is used when the correct spanner isn't available.

It will usually cause damage to any nut that it is applied to.


I do have a pliers aboard - however I try to avoid using it.



Regards


Donal
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What do you use to squeeze cotter pin ends together?

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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A computer is optional for most sailors, but it depends a lot on
what
they're
using it for. I don't bother for most cruises, but if I'm out for
more
than a
few weeks I certainly carry one. Some sailors use them for
navigation,
others
for photography, and everyone here uses one for email.

But a pliers? Are you saying the a sailor shouldn't have a
pliers
onboard?

A pliers is used when the correct spanner isn't available.

It will usually cause damage to any nut that it is applied to.


I do have a pliers aboard - however I try to avoid using it.



Regards


Donal
--

I use mine for the dvd player, at least until the mosquitoes quit for the
night.
Scout

"Jeff Morris" wrote
A computer is optional for most sailors

A pliers is used when the correct spanner isn't available.


Holy loser, Batman! Donald doesn't even know what pliers are for!

RB

Do you use a
hammer to tie your shoes?


Donald certainly avoids the complexity of laces.

RB

Well done, Donut!

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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A pliers is used when the correct spanner isn't available.


Holy loser, Batman! Donald doesn't even know what pliers are for!

RB

Donal wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:11:23 -0400, Martin Baxter


I take care of ALL of my tools and equipment. You and the Crapton are
poor sailors if you treat ANY of your tools and equipment carelessly.
If you have a motor, or a pair of pliers or a laptop computer,


So, BB, you think that a Real sailor would have pliers and a computer
aboard, do you?

You are about as much of a sailor as Bobsprit is!




Hey Donal! I must be doing something right, Chuckles seems to get his oversized knickers
in a knot every time I post!

Cheers
Marty

Hey Donal! I must be doing something right, Chuckles


Martin, the name is Donald.
Sheesh!

RB

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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What do you use to squeeze cotter pin ends together?


I try to avoid squeezing my cotter pin ends together. However, if an
emergency should arise, then I am prepared.

"Donal" wrote in message
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I do have a pliers aboard - however I try to avoid using it.



Regards


Donal
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Well done, Donut!

Fatherhood has affected his ability to resist tempting bait!!!


Regards

Donal
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Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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A pliers is used when the correct spanner isn't available.


Holy loser, Batman! Donald doesn't even know what pliers are for!

RB

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Hey Donal! I must be doing something right, Chuckles seems to get his
oversized knickers
in a knot every time I post!

BB & RB are providing great sport at the moment!

Why do they both tend to respond to the same bait?

Regards


Donald
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:01:22 +0100, "Donal" wrote:


That's good, because you obviously don't know what pliers are for. Do you
use a
hammer to tie your shoes?

If only you knew how silly that question was..........??

I don't tie my shoes. I don't tie my shoelaces either!!!!


I bet that you are the sort of person who cannot stop himself from
"helpfully" commenting whenever you see someone's shoelaces undone.



Regards


Donal
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