Better Outboard?
 

I'm about to order a 5HP outboard to go with my new 10' Porta-bote. Anyone have
any real info on which 5HP 4 cycle outboard is best currently?

Thanks,

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

I'm about to order a 5HP outboard to go with my new 10' Porta-bote. Anyone
have
any real info on which 5HP 4 cycle outboard is best currently?

Most of them are made by the same company, so it doesn't really matter which
you buy: Mercury, Yamaha, Johnson. One exception is the Honda, which is
made by Honda. And they are generally considered to be a cut above everyone
else's four-stroke outboards. But they cost more, too. Not sure about the
Nissan/Tohatsu, but it appears to be similar to the Merc/Yam/etc. All of
the small four-strokes are fine engines, and I doubt if you will go wrong
with any of them.

Just curious--why do you want a four-stroke? In that size range the
two-strokes generally work just as well and don't pay the weight or price
penalty.

Max

Just curious--why do you want a four-stroke? In that size range the
two-strokes generally work just as well and don't pay the weight or price
penalty.

There is a 7 pound penalty in the Merc range for example. That's worth having a
cleaner quieter engine that takes regular gas.

RB

There is Yamaha, then there are the also rans, wanna be's, close to's, and
from there it runs down hill

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

I'm about to order a 5HP outboard to go with my new 10' Porta-bote. Anyone
have
any real info on which 5HP 4 cycle outboard is best currently?

Thanks,

RB

There is Yamaha, then there are the also rans, wanna be's, close to's, and
from there it runs down hill


Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

yamaha don't have the 4 stroke expertise of honda.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

There is Yamaha, then there are the also rans, wanna be's, close to's, and
from there it runs down hill


Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

Yamaha F4 - 4 HP, 38 pounds

Not for the 4 cycle, which is what I'd prefer. 4HP is 48 lbs and the 6 is 83LBs
compared to Nissan's 55.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...c=otb&cid=19&s
cid=5&but=19&year=2005&cat=Four+Stroke+Series&scat =Portable

RB

hey bob
there is a place on city island ave, just next to the one gas station
(sunoco?)
side door to the little gorcery store
don't recall his name but you may want tot stop by there
he usually has decent deals on rebuilt outboards

gf.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the
protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

Yamaha F4 - 4 HP, 38 pounds

Not for the 4 cycle, which is what I'd prefer. 4HP is 48 lbs and the 6 is
83LBs
compared to Nissan's 55.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...c=otb&cid=19&s
cid=5&but=19&year=2005&cat=Four+Stroke+Series&scat =Portable

RB

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
hey bob
there is a place on city island ave, just next to the one gas station
(sunoco?)
side door to the little gorcery store
don't recall his name but you may want tot stop by there
he usually has decent deals on rebuilt outboards

gf.

Bob, careful, that's where his ex hangs out. :-)

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

side door to the little gorcery store
don't recall his name but you may want tot stop by there
he usually has decent deals on rebuilt outboards


Insurance is paying me full replacement on the Tohatsu, so I'd rather have
something new.

RB

so that portion of the conjecture gets
ignored as far as I'm concerned. The 4hp Yamaha or Nissan would be more than up
to the job. Personally, I'd rather have a 4 hp Yamaha than a 5 hp Nissan.


I'd really like to have the max HP for the Porta-bote. The Nissan 5hp weighs in
at 55lbs. The Honda 5HP would be my top choice, but it's 60lbs, over the limit
by 6 for the Porta-bote. We have three people in a dinghy plenty of times and I
think the extra HP will be nice. The price of the 4,5,6 are also pretty close,
so I thought I'd split it and get the 5. My Tohatsu that was stolen a few weeks
back was a great motor.
If you don't agree that the extra 1 hp will help please explain. Sandy at
Porta-bote also suggested the 5 HP for the 10' model. I doubt money was much of
a factor as they are so close in price.

RB

Yeah Nutsy,

The kind you bolt on the back.

Ole Thom

hey jon,

funny you should bring that up

many people have a certain aspect of creativity to their thinking where the
need to latch on to a single thought and pound it into the ground is
considered boring.

you having an off week by any chance?
usually your more creative funny and subtle (if not downright annoying)
then recent posts indicate.
the political situation got ya down?


gf.

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
hey jon,

funny you should bring that up

many people have a certain aspect of creativity to their thinking where the
need to latch on to a single thought and pound it into the ground is
considered boring.

you having an off week by any chance?
usually your more creative funny and subtle (if not downright annoying)
then recent posts indicate.
the political situation got ya down?

Which particular post... oh, the one about your ex hanging out
there... :-) Well, I thought it was funny.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

The weight limit for
the motor needs to be factored in with other things. What makes you think 6
pounds difference means anything?

I was under the impression that Portabote rated the 54lb limit based on the
transom capacity rather than weight leveraged at the stern. Price is not a
factor here. You can get the Honda 5HP at Defender for just 1200.00. I'm going
to call Porta-Bote tomorrow and see if the extra weight is a real issue. I
think you said you have the 8 foot model. The 4 should work great on that and
so would Honda's little (and pricey!) 2Hp.

http://www.defender.com/inflatables/...onda_files/BF5
_L.jpg

RB

wrote

you can easily carry a gallon
less of fuel for the same run time. That will save what? 8 -10
pounds?


1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.

SV

The extra 1 HP won't make any difference really. I doubt that it will
plane with two of you in it with 5HP and it will plane with just one
with 4Hp -especially if it's propped properly

Bobsprit wrote:

so that portion of the conjecture gets
ignored as far as I'm concerned. The 4hp Yamaha or Nissan would be more than up
to the job. Personally, I'd rather have a 4 hp Yamaha than a 5 hp Nissan.


I'd really like to have the max HP for the Porta-bote. The Nissan 5hp weighs in
at 55lbs. The Honda 5HP would be my top choice, but it's 60lbs, over the limit
by 6 for the Porta-bote. We have three people in a dinghy plenty of times and I
think the extra HP will be nice. The price of the 4,5,6 are also pretty close,
so I thought I'd split it and get the 5. My Tohatsu that was stolen a few weeks
back was a great motor.
If you don't agree that the extra 1 hp will help please explain. Sandy at
Porta-bote also suggested the 5 HP for the 10' model. I doubt money was much of
a factor as they are so close in price.

RB

Scott Vernon wrote:

wrote

you can easily carry a gallon

less of fuel for the same run time. That will save what? 8 -10

pounds?


1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.


My you have variable petrol.

Cheers

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

wrote

you can easily carry a gallon

less of fuel for the same run time. That will save what? 8 -10

pounds?


1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.


My you have variable petrol.


depends.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Just curious--why do you want a four-stroke? In that size range the
two-strokes generally work just as well and don't pay the weight or price
penalty.


There is a 7 pound penalty in the Merc range for example. That's worth
having a
cleaner quieter engine that takes regular gas.

That's legitimate. What is the price difference?

Max

wrote in message


Yamaha F4 - 4 HP, 38 pounds

That's a superb outboard, and I'd have bought one instead of my Merc 3.3 if
the price had been anywhere in the ball park.

Max

The extra 1 HP won't make any difference really. I doubt that it will
plane with two of you in it with 5HP and it will plane with just one
with 4Hp -especially if it's propped properly

A Porta-Bote will plane with two people and 4HP.

RB

There is a 7 pound penalty in the Merc range for example. That's worth
having a
cleaner quieter engine that takes regular gas.

That's legitimate. What is the price difference?

120.00.

RB

I guess I can estimate the weight of gasoline better than you estimate
windspeed. The last time you tried, I remember you being off by 25%.


Scotty Potti did NOT estimate. He claimed 25 knots sustained. You made it
pretty obvious that you were making a rough guess.
Scotty Potti is a liar.

RB

I will admit that I did not go and weigh a gallon of gas before I
posted, even though I can afford to.


Scotty can't afford NOT to weigh a gallon of gas.

RB

A big plus for the 4HP 4 cycle over the 5HP is that it also has an internal
tank. I wish the 5 had that.

RB

wrote

you can easily carry a gallon
less of fuel for the same run time. That will save what? 8 -10
pounds?


1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.

SV


Lets see, that means I was off by what? 19%?


More like 28% ~ 35%. Ask Jax to do the maths for you.



I guess I can estimate the weight of gasoline better than you
estimate
windspeed. The last time you tried, I remember you being off by 25%.

Well, your memory sucks. If you'd have been able to understand the
graph that Pony posted, you'd have realized I was within 10% of the
windspeed at the time I was sailing.


When that was pointed out, you defended it by whining about not
being
able to afford instruments.


Liar. Post where I wrote anything about the cost of instruments.



I will admit that I did not go and weigh a gallon of gas before I
posted, even though I can afford to.


You can afford a gallon of gas now? Congratulations.
Are you trying to be like bob, or can't you help it?

Scotty

Actually it's the other way around. Hondas are littered all over the
Pacific, Yamaha's keep running .. of course you have to be able to afford
them too. They are not a low budget item. For you I think Gamefisher would
be about right.

M.

"Nav" wrote in message
...
yamaha don't have the 4 stroke expertise of honda.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

There is Yamaha, then there are the also rans, wanna be's, close to's,
and
from there it runs down hill


Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the
protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag
behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

And my T9 with long shaft is 104 lbs. So?

M.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Yamaha can't be considered because their engines are too heavy in the
protable
range. They've focused more on their big engine technology and lag behind
Merc/Nissan/Honda.

RB

Yamaha F4 - 4 HP, 38 pounds

Not for the 4 cycle, which is what I'd prefer. 4HP is 48 lbs and the 6 is
83LBs
compared to Nissan's 55.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...c=otb&cid=19&s
cid=5&but=19&year=2005&cat=Four+Stroke+Series&scat =Portable

RB

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

wrote

you can easily carry a gallon

less of fuel for the same run time. That will save what? 8 -10

pounds?


1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.

Whats the specific gravity for diesel?

Scotty...Do you have some sort of Tankermans endorsement in the
trucking industry?

I received my tankermans endorsement the same time I sat for my AB.
It's a good course. Lots of nasty stuff that will kill you if your not
doing things correctly. I bet Donal got his along with his royal
physic yachtmasters ticket. The Irish are famous for getting loaded
with high octane fuels.

Joe

My you have variable petrol.


depends.

Actually it's the other way around. Hondas are littered all over the
Pacific, Yamaha's keep running .. of course you have to be able to afford
them too. They are not a low budget item. For you I think Gamefisher would
be about right.


All of these outboards are very close in price.

RB

Well, your memory sucks. If you'd have been able to understand the
graph that Pony posted, you'd have realized I was within 10% of the
windspeed at the time I was sailing.


Another lie. You wrote that it was "25 knots sustained." Now it was 25 knots
"at the time you were sailing! The graph showed a short period of wind near 25.
You lied again!

RB

"Joe" wrote

Whats the specific gravity for diesel?
It's lighter than water. I'm too busy (lazy) to look up the actual number.

Scotty...Do you have some sort of Tankermans endorsement in the
trucking industry?

There is a tanker endorsment, at least there is in Pennsylvania. I've got
it, I'll bet Scotty does too.

Scout

"Joe" wrote

Whats the specific gravity for diesel?

# 2 weighs around 7 lbs.


Scotty...Do you have some sort of Tankermans endorsement in the
trucking industry?


There is, but I did not get it. Have no use for it.


I received my tankermans endorsement the same time I sat for my AB.
It's a good course. Lots of nasty stuff that will kill you if your
not
doing things correctly.

I got the hazmat endorsement when they first came out, a lot of gov't
bull if you ask me. I did not renew it after 2 years.

Scotty

Why do you have it? Didn't you have to pay extra for it. BTW, I
haul hazardous stuff all the time without the endorsement. Works for
me.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote

Whats the specific gravity for diesel?
It's lighter than water. I'm too busy (lazy) to look up the actual
number.

Scotty...Do you have some sort of Tankermans endorsement in the
trucking industry?

There is a tanker endorsment, at least there is in Pennsylvania.
I've got
it, I'll bet Scotty does too.

Scout

"Bobsprit" wrote


Another lie.


that's all you ever write.

No particular reason other than it was convenient to include the endorsement
while testing for the others (air brakes, passenger). I have driven oil
tankers in the past though (pre-CDL), and who can say what the future will
bring? I didn't bother with the hazmat either, since it has such a short
shelf life. If the day ever comes that I need it, I'll go take the test.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why do you have it? Didn't you have to pay extra for it. BTW, I
haul hazardous stuff all the time without the endorsement. Works for
me.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote

Whats the specific gravity for diesel?
It's lighter than water. I'm too busy (lazy) to look up the actual
number.

Scotty...Do you have some sort of Tankermans endorsement in the
trucking industry?

There is a tanker endorsment, at least there is in Pennsylvania.
I've got
it, I'll bet Scotty does too.

Scout

If you get stopped, just say you "didn't know."
As an option, try, "I don't agree with the hazmat laws."
Either way, the Statey is sure to let you go on your way. ; )
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote
BTW, I haul hazardous stuff all the time without the endorsement.
Works for
me.

hmm, what can I say in response to that? lesseeee.... ooohh oh oh - I know!
ahem!
Bill, you should be thanking God you don't need a ****** endorsement where
you live!
Scout

wrote
There is a ****** endorsment, at least there is in Pennsylvania. I've got
it, I'll bet Scotty does too.
Scout

Nah, just hand him the phony bills and act stupid.

SV

"Scout" wrote in message
...
If you get stopped, just say you "didn't know."
As an option, try, "I don't agree with the hazmat laws."
Either way, the Statey is sure to let you go on your way. ; )
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote
BTW, I haul hazardous stuff all the time without the
endorsement.
Works for
me.