I hope not.

She was a nice girl. Somewhat shy.

Fred and I asked the ladies if they wanted to head back
after passing Middle Ground, and no one said anything!



"katysails" wrote

We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably created
another "non-sailor"....

"Bart Senior" wrote:

I hope not.

She was a nice girl. Somewhat shy.

But you still managed to make her **** her pants...

Fred and I asked the ladies if they wanted to head back
after passing Middle Ground, and no one said anything!

Those Polish women aren't used to American men, I would bet on it!

LP (take Katy's advice, really!)

In actuality, I know several Polish women and they have no difficulty
what-so-ever expressing themselves....I do think that Bart could have been
more considerate, but then, I don't know the women and maybe they were
constrained by embarrassment....one would think someone on the boat would
have realized that but what's done is done and they will probably never want
to see Bart again.....
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:aa91d.44063$mu.29076@okepread07...

"Bart Senior" wrote:

I hope not.

She was a nice girl. Somewhat shy.

But you still managed to make her **** her pants...

Fred and I asked the ladies if they wanted to head back
after passing Middle Ground, and no one said anything!

Those Polish women aren't used to American men, I would bet on it!

LP (take Katy's advice, really!)

The whole idea just ****es me off!

LP :-)

"katysails" wrote:
We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably created
another "non-sailor"....
"Edgar" wrote :
Bart Senior wrote:
(snip).
I warned the ladies to pee now before we left the dock, after
which we'd only have the bucket, and I talked about how we'd
use the back of the boat and everyone could look the other way.
(snip)
While sailing out, I pointed out to the two ladies, both natives of
Poland, once again that if they needed to pee, to use the bucket.
I didn't bring my GPS, but I'd bet we averaged 6 knots blasting
across the Sound to Port Jeff.
(snip)

I'm not one to hold my water. I used the bucket to pee once
on the way across, when we were heeled sharply. Later on the way
back, when the wind died I peed off the back.

Halfway across I noticed one of the ladies had a very wet bottom
after everyone else's bottom had dried off. The poor gal was too
embarrassed to use the bucket and pee'd in her pants. She never
complained, so Fred and I pretended not to notice.

It was her first time sailing. Maybe next time, she think about using
the bucket rather than have a wet butt for 6 hours.

Hey Bart! Don't worry-she will never come sailing with you again.
The need to pee fills one's entire thoughts so that whatever else is
going
on becomes of secondary importance and she must have been really
miserable
to be forced to pee her pants. It is clear from your post that she had
figured out that using the bucket was going to be somewhat embarassing
anyway but doubly difficult when the boat is 'blasting' across the bay
probably at a considerable angle of heel. I think you should have made it
clear to your crew that if anyone wanted to use the bucket you would ease
sheets or bear away to bring the boat level while they performed.
Instead,
you were more concerned with seeing off a Mac with a 30hp outboard!
You are going to have problems getting lady crews in future I think.
Regards
Edgar

katysails wrote:
We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably created
another "non-sailor"....

I think you're wronging Bart on several points. He wanted to go for a
sail, they wanted to go along. If Bart doesn't have a working head on
board, that's a bit of a barrier to longer sails with women on board...
but at least he tried...

DSK

Thanks Doug, The plan was "boys day out sailing".

George bailed out before we left the dock, and the girls invited
themselves along. I warned them. They were careful not to
drink any water either--they knew what they were getting into.

I didn't invite any ladies, just more experienced men. I wanted
to try out that new spinnaker-which turned out to be too big. My
first choice would have been to head upwind which would have
been a wet ride, followed by a deep broad reach back to test it
out. The Port Jeff option, I discussed early, including the time it
would take--about five hours, and I discussed the option of turning
around at Middle Ground--halfway. Fred was particularly keen to
get a response from the women--and one favored it--the other said
nothing--she wet her pants before we got to Middle Ground.

I gave my guests a good ride. Fred drove most of the day--he also
drove up from New Jersey to be there. I wanted him to see what
the boat was all about. Monica took the helm for a while also, and
did much of the sail trim. I didn't touch the helm all day and hardly
touched a sheet. I let them do what they wanted.

By the way, my "bucket" was a flexible Clorox bottle scoop. It's
perfect to **** in--for either sex. Part of being a sailor is being able
to use "the bucket". My 11 year old niece can do it.

"DSK" wrote

katysails wrote:

We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably
created
another "non-sailor"....

I think you're wronging Bart on several points. He wanted to go for a
sail, they wanted to go along. If Bart doesn't have a working head on
board, that's a bit of a barrier to longer sails with women on board...
but at least he tried...

DSK

If that was the plan, then when your friend showed up with his women you
should have spoken up and explained yopu were not prepared for non-sailors
and that there would be no facilities so therefore they should change their
plans and go to the beach or something...you are not obligated to
inconvenience your plans for others....by trying to be nice, you ended up
being a jerk....stop trying and just be yourself....
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Thanks Doug, The plan was "boys day out sailing".

George bailed out before we left the dock, and the girls invited
themselves along. I warned them. They were careful not to
drink any water either--they knew what they were getting into.

I didn't invite any ladies, just more experienced men. I wanted
to try out that new spinnaker-which turned out to be too big. My
first choice would have been to head upwind which would have
been a wet ride, followed by a deep broad reach back to test it
out. The Port Jeff option, I discussed early, including the time it
would take--about five hours, and I discussed the option of turning
around at Middle Ground--halfway. Fred was particularly keen to
get a response from the women--and one favored it--the other said
nothing--she wet her pants before we got to Middle Ground.

I gave my guests a good ride. Fred drove most of the day--he also
drove up from New Jersey to be there. I wanted him to see what
the boat was all about. Monica took the helm for a while also, and
did much of the sail trim. I didn't touch the helm all day and hardly
touched a sheet. I let them do what they wanted.

By the way, my "bucket" was a flexible Clorox bottle scoop. It's
perfect to **** in--for either sex. Part of being a sailor is being able
to use "the bucket". My 11 year old niece can do it.

"DSK" wrote

katysails wrote:

We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably
created
another "non-sailor"....

I think you're wronging Bart on several points. He wanted to go for a
sail, they wanted to go along. If Bart doesn't have a working head on
board, that's a bit of a barrier to longer sails with women on board...
but at least he tried...

DSK

Hey, they were heeled...he could have demonstrated the "hang your butt over"
technique....Expecting people who don't sail to realize the physical limits
that sometimes arise is a mistake....even if he did explain....
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
katysails wrote:
We've been chiding him on these points all year....he has probably
created
another "non-sailor"....

I think you're wronging Bart on several points. He wanted to go for a
sail, they wanted to go along. If Bart doesn't have a working head on
board, that's a bit of a barrier to longer sails with women on board...
but at least he tried...

DSK

"Edgar" wrote ...

It is clear from your post that she had
figured out that using the bucket was going to be somewhat
embarassing
anyway but doubly difficult when the boat is 'blasting' across the
bay
probably at a considerable angle of heel.

plus Bart holding his digital camera at the ready prolly didn't help
any.

SV

plus Bart holding his digital camera at the ready prolly didn't


Yeah, it "prolly" didn't.
Scotty Potti strikes again.


RB