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One of the two sisters, Monica, along with her husband George has
crewed for me on ECHO. By the way, neither of the ladies is spoiled --and they are not American. Monica is an avid sailor, and I definitely want her back as crew. She and George both have a lot to learn, but they are putting huge effort into learning, and they're great company. 75% of learning is attitude. Both George and Monica have a serious interest in the sport, and that is reflected in their attitude--both helpful and thoughtful. If someone want to come sailing with me, and I have space, I'll always say yes. That comes from a childhood where I was eager to sail and grateful for the times I was taken out. Pay it forward, if you can't pay it back. "DSK" wrote katysails wrote: If that was the plan, then when your friend showed up with his women you should have spoken up and explained yopu were not prepared for non-sailors and that there would be no facilities so therefore they should change their plans and go to the beach or something...you are not obligated to inconvenience your plans for others....by trying to be nice, you ended up being a jerk....stop trying and just be yourself.... Fixing the head would be a good option too... For some years we kept spare foul weather gear aboard... not the real good stuff, but adequate for unprepared guests for most weather. We had one friend show up with one of those K-mart ponchos and insisted he was OK with that... man did he ever get soaked! I don't agree that Bart should have changed his plans for guests he wasn't even expecting. What were his obligations to them? American women are too spoiled, they expect to be catered to for no reason. But OTOH it is a good idea to show newbies that sailing is fun... they can find out about the torture part later! Bart, you may have chased away potential future crew. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
I guess they don't like you katy! If you have a more positive
attitude, they might invite you along next time! grin "katysails" wrote No....but courtesy and politely informing them that this was not the trip for them was a necessity....Guys I've sailed with have been quite blunt about it.... OzOne wrote On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:58:16 GMT, "katysails" scribbled thusly: Uh...DOug...I said he shouldn't have changed his plans for them...should have sent them home...and they were not American women...and since when does an Etchell's have a head to fix???? I thought they were open daysailors.... so a head isn't necessary ;-) |
Doug nailed it. There are limits to hospitality, especially to uninvited
guests. I don't feel bad. Also, taking ECHO would not have worked. This trip had two purposes. First was to thank Fred for taking my lady friend and I out sailing on his Valiant 37 a few weeks ago in New York Harbor. Also, I've had an open invite to him to come sail HOOT, to expose him to an Etchells. He had been looking forward to it. This was the main reason for the days adventure. He loved it of course. Fred's spent a lot of time on small boats. He's moved up to a bigger boat, but I felt, that with his skills, he needed to be exposed to the cool features of an Etchells. Oz will understand, and so will Doug, or anyone who has sailed a boat will lots of controls for sail shape. When I raced Etchells in SF Bay, it was two years before I felt I was really getting the hang of it. And I know that today, I still have much to learn to get the most out of these boats. If you really want to learn to sail well, you need a good mount. Fred and I have been though some nasty rough conditions together. We don't let each other down, and have a close bond. Some friends you don't let down. That is the kind of friendship we have. If I live to be a hundred, I'll look back at my life and be glad that I had a few close friends like Fred. The second reason, was I wanted to try out that new spinnaker. I made sure I had it, and I also made both new battens and mast blocks because I wanted Fred to see HOOT looking it's best. Regarding going out on ECHO. There were many reasons not to do that. First, Fred already sailed on ECHO--he helped me deliver the boat from South Jersey a few years back. That would not have been special. Also, ECHO has no mainsail until I get the Dutchman system mounted later this week. There will be a time I'll invite Fred and his girlfriend up for a sail, and I'll make Liberty Landing a destination in the future. Before I do that, I want ECHO's rigging and interior to be in Bristol condition. I'll allow my crew to see ECHO in less than perfect condition, because they see the steady improvements. I don't want people to see ECHO just once and remember something about the boat that needed work. Each of these reasons was enough to eliminate ECHO from the equation. Finally, HOOT is a "hoot" to sail. ECHO is big and comfortable, and a nice party boat, but not as much fun to sail. HOOT is an E-ticket white knuckle, avalanche, nose-bleed of a ride. "DSK" wrote Should have taken them out in ECHO. katysails wrote: No....but courtesy and politely informing them that this was not the trip for them was a necessity....Guys I've sailed with have been quite blunt about it.... Why? Let them make the choice, which is what I gathered Bart did from his post. These women decided to go sailing, for whatever reason, and you assume that all social problems ensuing must be Bart's fault. Being a native Southerner, I take hospitality seriously. But there are reasonable limits, especially in a sporting activity engaged in by mutual consent. By analogy, if I was going mountain climbing and some friends of friends and wanted to tag along, I would do my best to not let them fall... but I wouldn't feel an obligation to glue a pillow to each and every rock... DSK |
Donal wrote:
That sounds a bit political to me. Are you a leftie? Since when has "worldly" been a political thing? The nearest my subject matter gets to realism is surreal landscapes - I'm depicting something other than the conventional world. Do you hope to sell any paintings for lots of dosh? If you tell me which one you want, I'll consider selling it to you. Why don't you do a painting that involves sailing - for the newsgroup? I might. I might not. Who knows? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
A painting of a 'Flounder" for Donal.....
I'm certain he'll find a "Plaice" for it. ....and Wally.... put your "Sole" into it! You know... something that makes your eye "migrate" . CM |
OzOne wrote:
I've actually used a spinnaker upwind to good effect. Yep. A few times we've been in races where the spinnakers came out on upwind legs... or the wind shifted close to 180... A very flat cut kite and sheeted by hand before it passed thru blocks. Obviously very light conditions and flat flat water. The sail is pulled pretty tight along the foot and the leech opened and closed by raising and lowering your hand to keep the sail full. Yes you can carry the sail amazingly high if the leach is pulled down but it hurts the drive. I kept our spin sheet draped over top of the aft end of the boom to keep this from happening much of the time. A collapse is disastrous because you need to pull well away to refill. Very true... which is why you ahve to be very careful not to get blanketed. One time we were caught in a big wind shift turning a run into a beat... we were out on the corner and tight reaching in with great speed, sure to win but the damn wind kept heading us. We crossed ahead of almost everybody and then tried to tack with the spinnaker still up... we were only a few yards from the mark I thought we could save time if we could get around it with the chute still up... guess again! Went from 2nd to about 32nd.... I think the race my wife will remember forever is one at Savannah, where we had a very tight reach down the river and went from jib to spinnaker & back again about 30 times... we also went from way down in the fleet to 3rd or so. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Horvath wrote: The only women I know are dykes. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Wally" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: That sounds a bit political to me. Are you a leftie? Since when has "worldly" been a political thing? The nearest my subject matter gets to realism is surreal landscapes What a crooked answer to a straight question! - I'm depicting something other than the conventional world. As do all lefties ... Do you hope to sell any paintings for lots of dosh? If you tell me which one you want, I'll consider selling it to you. Emmm. uhh ... errrr ... [cough] Have you thought about doing a painting that involves sailing? Why don't you do a painting that involves sailing - for the newsgroup? I might. I might not. Who knows? You do. Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote:
What a crooked answer to a straight question! What I said had nothing to do with politics. I don't do politics. Have you thought about doing a painting that involves sailing? I've considered it. Why do you ask? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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