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The Political Debate
The political "debate" here is so funny!
Should one crack the egg on the large end or the small end? Paper or plastic? Communism or socialism? You can bet that no matter who wins the end result will be less freedom and bigger government. In fact not one of you can name a single President that has ever reduced the scope of government or extended freedom. But yet you argue so loudly for your slightly different forms of enslavement! I'm for any candidate who promises: " I have no interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is needed before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can." Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. Gilligan |
Gilligan wrote: The political "debate" here is so funny! Should one crack the egg on the large end or the small end? Paper or plastic? Communism or socialism? "What would Jesus do?" http://music.download.com/onlyedandt....html?tag=list -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
"Gilligan" wrote
You can bet that no matter who wins the end result will be less freedom and bigger government. In fact not one of you can name a single President that has ever reduced the scope of government or extended freedom...... Tom Jefferson - He disestablished the national bank. |
Tadpole:
Anyone with an iota of reason knows that the question, "What would Jesus do" is a fallacy of logic known as an appeal to authority. It is used to avoid personal responsibility and abdicate volition. It's odd that those who use Jesus are the biggest advocates of conformism and big government. It was Jesus who defied the government of his day, it was Jesus who disrupted the marketplace. Jesus was a radical. If the depictions are true, he also had long hair, slept in city parks. If he was around today he'd be the guy cleaning your windshield at the traffic light. Amen! Gilligan "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: The political "debate" here is so funny! Should one crack the egg on the large end or the small end? Paper or plastic? Communism or socialism? "What would Jesus do?" http://music.download.com/onlyedandt....html?tag=list -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
Yes, but did you _listen_ to Only Ed's song from which I was
quoting, as were you, albeit inadvertently? Does this immediate confusion of yours bode well for the future? Or are you simply attempting an eggsuckulent start? Flying Tadpole Authority on Everything (To WHom there is NO appeal) Gilligan wrote: Tadpole: Anyone with an iota of reason knows that the question, "What would Jesus do" is a fallacy of logic known as an appeal to authority. It is used to avoid personal responsibility and abdicate volition. It's odd that those who use Jesus are the biggest advocates of conformism and big government. It was Jesus who defied the government of his day, it was Jesus who disrupted the marketplace. Jesus was a radical. If the depictions are true, he also had long hair, slept in city parks. If he was around today he'd be the guy cleaning your windshield at the traffic light. Amen! Gilligan "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: The political "debate" here is so funny! Should one crack the egg on the large end or the small end? Paper or plastic? Communism or socialism? "What would Jesus do?" http://music.download.com/onlyedandt....html?tag=list -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
Welcome back Gilly,
Your comment are welcome and needed.Add to them; Career politicians, two party system that limits choice to their approval and representatives that don't represent but rule Ole Thom |
Geo. Washington limited term of office, Truman put it into Law
Ole Thom |
In article .net,
Gilligan wrote: Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. If you vote libertarian, you get Bush. Definitely the worse of the two. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article . net,
Gilligan wrote: Tadpole: Anyone with an iota of reason knows that the question, "What would Jesus do" is a fallacy of logic known as an appeal to authority. It is used to avoid personal responsibility and abdicate volition. It's odd that those who use Jesus are the biggest advocates of conformism and big government. It was Jesus who defied the government of his day, it was Jesus who disrupted the marketplace. Jesus was a radical. If the depictions are true, he also had long hair, slept in city parks. If he was around today he'd be the guy cleaning your windshield at the traffic light. Amen! Jesus was unAmerican??? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Gilligan" wrote in message link.net... I'm for any candidate who promises: " I have no interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is needed before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can." Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. Gilligan, have you considered moving to the UK? You could be our Prime Minister! ... Unlike the US, some of us still believe in personal freedom. However, we don't have any politicians who will represent our views. Pack your bags immediately. I shall arrange tickets and some temporary accommodation. Come quick! We need you! Regards Donal -- |
Donal,
It's terrible that personal freedom, a natural right that government can't grant, is so easily taken away. We must fight tyranny wherever it is. I must respectfully turn down the prime minister offer, but if you guys need a King, I'm your man. I think Benny Hill would be a fine Prime Minister. Gilligan "Donal" wrote in message ... "Gilligan" wrote in message link.net... I'm for any candidate who promises: " I have no interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is needed before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can." Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. Gilligan, have you considered moving to the UK? You could be our Prime Minister! ... Unlike the US, some of us still believe in personal freedom. However, we don't have any politicians who will represent our views. Pack your bags immediately. I shall arrange tickets and some temporary accommodation. Come quick! We need you! Regards Donal -- |
But Jonathan, the Republicans claim if I vote Libertarian then Kerry will
win. So I look at it this way, according to either side, if I vote Libertarian their candidate will lose. Is that bad? How's your Cal 20 doing? I bet you have it fixed up real nice. Gilligan "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article .net, Gilligan wrote: Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. If you vote libertarian, you get Bush. Definitely the worse of the two. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Thanks Thom. We don't have to accept the lesser of two evils.
Gilligan "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Welcome back Gilly, Your comment are welcome and needed.Add to them; Career politicians, two party system that limits choice to their approval and representatives that don't represent but rule Ole Thom |
Great job on rising to the challenge.
Is your name really Vito? Gilligan "Vito" wrote in message ... "Gilligan" wrote You can bet that no matter who wins the end result will be less freedom and bigger government. In fact not one of you can name a single President that has ever reduced the scope of government or extended freedom...... Tom Jefferson - He disestablished the national bank. |
Now I'm really confused. Those songs looked like they could be amusing. I'm
still recovering from the falsetto on: "I Saw Mr Presley Tiptoeing Through the Tulips" Katy just emailed me a black and white photo of herself wearing a bee hive hairdo. That does it for me, I'm staying around. I bet the Navigator doesn't have one of those! Gilligan "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Yes, but did you _listen_ to Only Ed's song from which I was quoting, as were you, albeit inadvertently? Does this immediate confusion of yours bode well for the future? Or are you simply attempting an eggsuckulent start? Flying Tadpole Authority on Everything (To WHom there is NO appeal) Gilligan wrote: Tadpole: Anyone with an iota of reason knows that the question, "What would Jesus do" is a fallacy of logic known as an appeal to authority. It is used to avoid personal responsibility and abdicate volition. It's odd that those who use Jesus are the biggest advocates of conformism and big government. It was Jesus who defied the government of his day, it was Jesus who disrupted the marketplace. Jesus was a radical. If the depictions are true, he also had long hair, slept in city parks. If he was around today he'd be the guy cleaning your windshield at the traffic light. Amen! Gilligan "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: The political "debate" here is so funny! Should one crack the egg on the large end or the small end? Paper or plastic? Communism or socialism? "What would Jesus do?" http://music.download.com/onlyedandt....html?tag=list -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
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Gilligan wrote: But Jonathan, the Republicans claim if I vote Libertarian then Kerry will win. So I look at it this way, according to either side, if I vote Libertarian their candidate will lose. Is that bad? How's your Cal 20 doing? I bet you have it fixed up real nice. You're right. I was thinking Nader, even though you were typing Libertarian. Go for it. :-) Cal is doing fine. I'm doing a lot of sailing when I'm not workin. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Gilligan wrote: Katy just emailed me a black and white photo of herself wearing a bee hive hairdo. That does it for me, I'm staying around. I bet the Navigator doesn't have one of those! Gilligan But he may, Gilligan, he may. Even where male codon pattern baldness poses an obstacle, wigs are easily obtainable. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
"Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... I think Benny Hill would be a fine Prime Minister. I'd have laughed at such a stupid suggestion a few years ago. Now, I have to agree wuth you. Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote: "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... I think Benny Hill would be a fine Prime Minister. I'd have laughed at such a stupid suggestion a few years ago. Now, I have to agree wuth you. Benny Hill for Tony Blair? That exchange just don't seem fair! A swap like that's not where it's at, It's just exchanging tit for tat. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
"Gilligan" wrote
The political "debate" here is so funny! Scarcasm noted. In fact not one of you can name a single President that has ever reduced the scope of government or extended freedom. Our founding fathers did exactly that. By not over inflating the role of government to begin with, they effectively reduced its scope. They should get credit for that. An example would be the federal government's original position on education. I'm for any candidate who promises: [snip] Ever see the Ditech commercial where the loan officer *keeps his promise* to reduce paperwork by removing 1 page from the stack of 10,000 application pages? Promises are for suckers. Vote Libertarian! Leave the big party-franchise politics to those who are too cowardly to live or think for themselves. Screw the Libertarian's - if you want real change, grow a set, start a revolution. Scout |
Who are they running. I was going to write in somebody.
"Scout" wrote Vote Libertarian! |
beats me Vito, I gave up on them after the spectacle of Linden LaRouche.
You could always write in . . . Scout "a chicken in every pot!" "Vito" wrote in message ... Who are they running. I was going to write in somebody. "Scout" wrote Vote Libertarian! |
donal,
I've been more than a little ****ed about our Electoral College but after doing a little study I find the UK has many,many more Repersentative that are not elected by popular vote than we do! I guess we are still better off than you are. Our Senate is still elected by a direct vote of the people. Be damned to your Upper House. Ole Thom |
In article , OzOne wrote:
Yep, Blair is a lawyer /barrister. Well educated and quick thinking unlike the stumbling fool. As much as I disagree with many of Blair's actions, it's embarrassing to compare him to Bush. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article , OzOne wrote:
On 13 Sep 2004 15:45:23 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) scribbled thusly: In article , OzOne wrote: Yep, Blair is a lawyer /barrister. Well educated and quick thinking unlike the stumbling fool. As much as I disagree with many of Blair's actions, it's embarrassing to compare him to Bush. Seems to me that the Republican presidents in recent times have all been an embarrassment Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the two Bushes Except for the pardon, I liked Ford. He just played too many football games without his helmet. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... donal, I've been more than a little ****ed about our Electoral College but after doing a little study I find the UK has many,many more Repersentative that are not elected by popular vote than we do! I guess we are still better off than you are. Our Senate is still elected by a direct vote of the people. Be damned to your Upper House. The sad truth is that our un-elected upper house has a fantastic record. Hindsight shows that they have nearly always been correct when they have opposed the elected government. They have been a brilliant moderating force. I cannot defend their existence logically. However, I haven't seen a system that has worked better. The unelected peers tend to vote with their conscience because they are very difficult to control or coerce. They can't be sacked, or de-selected. It isn't easy to bribe them with offers of promotion either - there aren't enough senior positions to fill. They are definitely not a democratic institution, but they have done a better job of defending democracy and civil liberties than any elected government has done over the last 100 years. Regards Donal -- |
BB,
And what makes you so sure that the questions weren't set-up? I seen the same program and was very impressed but it did seem a little put on. I seen that lady in the light brown suit stand up first, time after time and never called on. Not to say it wasn't impressive, it was. Then I remember him taking questions from our press on the WH Lawn and he was nothing like that performance in the UK Parliament Ole Thom |
Yeah Oz,
Can Blair come up with a statement like Bush:" We are on a irreversible course of good, but that can change!" You need a Yale degree and a Masters from Harvard to coin those kind of statements! :^) Ya has ta study under "Yogi Berra" Ole Thom |
Jon,
Boy you really are a whizz bang. The only Rep. Pres. You picked was the only non-elected President. Jon, you really do have you hand on the pulse of the US Public; Oh Yeah Ole Thom |
Donal,
I'm no expert but I do believe the Irish, many of the Welsh and Scottish won't agree with you. Ole Thom |
OzOne wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:14:35 -0700, (Thom Stewart) scribbled thusly: Donal, I'm no expert but I do believe the Irish, many of the Welsh and Scottish won't agree with you. Ole Thom Hey, I'm no expert either but I believe that most people don't agree with Donal ....... Hay I'm no expert but I believe most sheep won't agree with ewe. Cheers |
OzOne wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:29:55 +1200, Nav scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:14:35 -0700, (Thom Stewart) scribbled thusly: Donal, I'm no expert but I do believe the Irish, many of the Welsh and Scottish won't agree with you. Ole Thom Hey, I'm no expert either but I believe that most people don't agree with Donal ....... Hay I'm no expert but I believe most sheep won't agree with ewe. Cheers I'm surprised they hang around long enough to talk to you True, they always run after good time guys like you... Cheers |
In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote: Jon, Boy you really are a whizz bang. The only Rep. Pres. You picked was the only non-elected President. Jon, you really do have you hand on the pulse of the US Public; Oh Yeah Ole Thom That's one reason why I liked him! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Jesus was a Jew in the Holy Land.
He never entered a Christian Church, He taught his disciples to teach the Jewish Faith. He was born a Jew, Lived a Jew, and died a Jew. I don't think he was a registerd Republican or a Democrat. He wasn't a sailor. So let's excuse him from this discussion Ole Thom |
In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote: Jesus was a Jew in the Holy Land. He never entered a Christian Church, He taught his disciples to teach the Jewish Faith. He was born a Jew, Lived a Jew, and died a Jew. I don't think he was a registerd Republican or a Democrat. He wasn't a sailor. So let's excuse him from this discussion He walked on water, but so did Peter Sellers. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Donal, I'm no expert but I do believe the Irish, many of the Welsh and Scottish won't agree with you. You may well be right. However, I am Irish. It is easy to look at the House of Lords and say that they are totally undemocratic. If you take the time to study their voting record, you will realise that they are far more democratic than the political extremists that get elected every 5 years. Regards Donal -- |
Donal,
What a Stupid Statement that is! You have to be Irish to say something like that. How in the hell can a appointed representative be more democratic than a representative elected by the public. Donal, if you reply; please find out what Democracy means Ole Thom |
"Donal" burped.... I'm no expert but I do believe the Irish, many of the Welsh and Scottish won't agree with you. You may well be right. However, I am Drunk. Drunk=Irish |
"Scott Vernon" wrote Drunk=Irish That's untrue! My paternal grandmother's whole family was Irish and Mormon (LDS). I recall several of them being sober - not all at once mind you but whenever the Bishop was coming ..... (c: |
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