Ok Doug,

I' ll give it a try

Since the Vang; Solid or Rope, What ever, has been kicked around as a
Hoisting Device, which it isn't let's talk about what it is for.

Why is it necessary? When do you use vang pressure? To do what? If it's
good sometimes, why not all the time?

How much tension should be put on a Vang? Can a strong Deck Ape over
apply tension by hand?

Let's talk about it.

You first Doug. It is a Racers gimmick. Tell us why?

Ole Thom
P/S Bart, jump in on this. You too, Donal.
We'll even listen to the voice of Plowville.
I know City Island will contribute.

My boat doesn't have a vang, the middle hatch is in the way. The Mac
had one, good while running downwind to prevent the boom from lifting
and gybing. In lighter air ,I'd clip the bottom to a stanchion base as
a preventer.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Ok Doug,

I' ll give it a try

Since the Vang; Solid or Rope, What ever, has been kicked around as
a
Hoisting Device, which it isn't let's talk about what it is for.

Why is it necessary? When do you use vang pressure? To do what? If
it's
good sometimes, why not all the time?

How much tension should be put on a Vang? Can a strong Deck Ape over
apply tension by hand?

Let's talk about it.

You first Doug. It is a Racers gimmick. Tell us why?

Ole Thom
P/S Bart, jump in on this. You too, Donal.
We'll even listen to the voice of Plowville.
I know City Island will contribute.

Scott,

You should think about the twin cruising vang. It can act as a preventer
& vang. It will also maintain your sail shape when you let out the sheet
to reach or run.

Ole Thom

My boat doesn't have a vang, the middle hatch is in the way.


Siedlemann: Engineered by a Monkey for a Monkey for the worst years of your
life.

twin cruising vang???

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scott,

You should think about the twin cruising vang. It can act as a
preventer
& vang. It will also maintain your sail shape when you let out the
sheet
to reach or run.

Ole Thom

Thom Stewart scribbled thusly:
Since the Vang; Solid or Rope, What ever, has been kicked around as a
Hoisting Device, which it isn't let's talk about what it is for.

Why isn't the Vang a Hoisting Device? The Hunter 19 vang was a 3:1
purchase on swivel pelican hooks, originally supplied as the mainsheet
which it was marginally suitable for. We used it with a gin pole for
raising the mast, on those few occasions I didn't lever it up by hand
(carefully lifting at the 25% mark).


Why is it necessary?

It isn't "necessary." It's fully possible to sail without a vang.

....When do you use vang pressure? To do what? If it's
good sometimes, why not all the time?

How much tension should be put on a Vang? Can a strong Deck Ape over
apply tension by hand?

Yes, definitely.


You first Doug. It is a Racers gimmick. Tell us why?

A vang is not a racer's gimmick. It's a very useful tool for controlling
the sail.

OzOne wrote:
It's all about controlling the position of the boom and all that that
entails be it upwind, downwind or gybing.

What a great phrase, "all that that entails." We've had some discussions
here about sail twist, is this the time to revisit the subject?
Basically, the boom vang controls how far the boom rises, which
influences twist. It also, on some boats, keeps the end of the boom from
catching on the backstay in gybes.

BTW let's distinguish between a VANG and a preventer.

On small boats it can be used to induce mast bend, not much joy when
your mast is a tree trunk

It can bend the boom too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote

Why isn't the Vang a Hoisting Device? The Hunter 19 vang was a 3:1
purchase on swivel pelican hooks, originally supplied as the
mainsheet
which it was marginally suitable for.

A HandyBilly!


We used it with a gin pole for
raising the mast, on those few occasions I didn't lever it up by
hand
(carefully lifting at the 25% mark).


That's impossible, according to Moron.



How much tension should be put on a Vang? Can a strong Deck Ape
over
apply tension by hand?

Yes, definitely.

What would fail / bend first?




Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
A HandyBilly!

Exactly. That's an old fashioned term, though.



(carefully lifting at the 25% mark).



That's impossible, according to Moron.

Hey, just 'cuz *he* can't do it, doesn't make it impossible!



How much tension should be put on a Vang? Can a strong Deck Ape
over apply tension by hand?

Yes, definitely.

What would fail / bend first?


OzOne wrote:
Vang tackle or possibly the gooseneck

I'd vote gooseneck. There's a heck of a lot of force on the gooseneck. I
have seen bails distort but not break.

DSK

I should clarify. I can't install a solid vang and still have the
hatch open forward. I don't want to turn the hatch around, I could but
it would cut down on air flow while anchored. I can install a rope
vang and still use the hatch, once the vang is slack. I installed new
main sheet and blocks this season. Was thinking of using the old as a
vang.



"DSK" wrote ...
A HandyBilly!

Exactly. That's an old fashioned term, though.

So is 'sailing'.

Scotty

Sorry Oz,

The Vang isn't ALL about controlling Boom. Sorry.

Ole Thom