The Dinghy Tale
 

One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've covered
completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was old. I
will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to do
about the dinghy this time around.

Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with the
same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough to
plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How well
will they plane with two people and 6HP?

RB

Bob... you need a 9.9hp to achieve plane.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
| Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
covered
| completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was
old. I
| will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to
do
| about the dinghy this time around.
|
| Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with
the
| same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough
to
| plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How
well
| will they plane with two people and 6HP?
|
| RB

I concur on that choice. Excellent vessel.

.... mind you the exhilaration delivered by a 7.5 foot Zodiac RIB with a
15hpMerc capped by a 9.9 decaled cowling is wondrous as well! :-)

CM


wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:20:34 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:
|
| Bob... you need a 9.9hp to achieve plane.
|
| CM
|
|
| Unless he buys the much superior, stronger, faster, lighter, half the
price,
| Portabote, in which case he can plane with just himself aboard using an
electric
| trolling motor. To plane with a passenger and gear, he would need 5 hp.
|
| BB
|
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of
my
| | Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
| covered
| | completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff
was
| old. I
| | will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what
to
| do
| | about the dinghy this time around.
| |
| | Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did
with
| the
| | same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be
enough
| to
| | plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats.
How
| well
| | will they plane with two people and 6HP?
| |
| | RB
|
|

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
covered
completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was
old. I
will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to
do
about the dinghy this time around.

Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with
the
same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough
to
plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How
well
will they plane with two people and 6HP?

Why would a real sailor want his dinghy to plane?

A dinghy needs to be easy to store, and inflate.

An engine needs to be reliable, as light as possible, and capable of driving
the dinghy against the strongest currents that you are likely to encounter.

I suspect that, even with both Suzanne and you aboard, a 2hp will do fine.


Regards

Donal
--

Bill, I'm looking at the 12' model of Portaboat. With a 6HP do you think it
will plane with 2 people and gear?

RB

Bob... the stats indicate yes... but I would trend to a higher horsepower.
Look at the weight ratios.

Keep in mind the logical approach to this... you can always throttle down...
but it's hard to throttle up when you need the extra omph and don't have it
at hand.

Seriously Bob... the weight differences between a 6 hp and a 9.9hp shouldn't
be the deciding factor. They are minimal and well within your handling
capacities... unless of course those last pics really are an accurate
representation of your current shape. :-)

CM





"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| Bill, I'm looking at the 12' model of Portaboat. With a 6HP do you think
it
| will plane with 2 people and gear?
|
| RB

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:32:40 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
covered
completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was
old. I
will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to
do
about the dinghy this time around.

Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with
the
same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough
to
plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How
well
will they plane with two people and 6HP?

Why would a real sailor want his dinghy to plane?

A dinghy needs to be easy to store, and inflate.

An engine needs to be reliable, as light as possible, and capable of driving
the dinghy against the strongest currents that you are likely to encounter.

I suspect that, even with both Suzanne and you aboard, a 2hp will do fine.

I agree with the "lighter is better" school of thought. I used to
have an Avon with a 9.9hp Tohatsu. It would plane at half throttle
with me and a boat load of kids aboard. As fun as that might be on
occasion, dragging that outboard around was a PITA and I regretted my
choice every day I owned it, although the Tohatsu was a reliable
motor. The smaller the better.

I have no experience with the Porta Boat, so I abstain from that vote.

"Donal" wrote in message

| Why would a real sailor want his dinghy to plane?

Speed compensates for carrying ability

| A dinghy needs to be easy to store, and inflate.

RIBs are both

|
| An engine needs to be reliable, as light as possible, and capable of
driving
| the dinghy against the strongest currents that you are likely to
encounter.

Then an RIB 7.5 Zodiac with a 15hp Mercury will meet those requirements

|
| I suspect that, even with both Suzanne and you aboard, a 2hp will do fine.

Nope Donal it won't.... think for a minute about the stress that engine
would be under!

CM

Seriously Bob... the weight differences between a 6 hp and a 9.9hp shouldn't
be the deciding factor. They are minimal

The Tohatsu/Nissan 4 cycle 6 weighs 55 lbs. The 9.9 weighs 114 lbs.
Mooron, please don't give advice when you don't have a clue. It's embarassing
for you...and us.

RB

| Why would a real sailor want his dinghy to plane?.


Because it's fun. Because we used the dinghy to explore and get places our six
foot draft wouldn't let us...and it's nice to get there sooner. Because I can
easily lift a 55 lb motor with three fingers even if you can't. And...because I
already own a 3.5 Nissan, which is in my closet usually unused.

RB

Note on planing the portabote with a 5 hp. The transom mounting is not
quite stiff enough and will allow the engine leg to move forward and
contact the back lip of the hull, resulting in degraded steering
ability. The solution is to use the tilt adjustment at its most
extreme angle and move your weight forward.
BTW, had 600lbs incl engine in my 10' portabote this weekend chugging
around Oyster Bay, No speed records, but no problems either. Smooth,
comfortable and dry.


On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:58:03 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:20:34 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Bob... you need a 9.9hp to achieve plane.

CM


Unless he buys the much superior, stronger, faster, lighter, half the price,
Portabote, in which case he can plane with just himself aboard using an electric
trolling motor. To plane with a passenger and gear, he would need 5 hp.

BB



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
| Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
covered
| completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was
old. I
| will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to
do
| about the dinghy this time around.
|
| Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with
the
| same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough
to
| plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How
well
| will they plane with two people and 6HP?
|
| RB

BTW, had 600lbs incl engine in my 10' portabote this weekend chugging
around Oyster Bay, No speed records, but no problems either. Smooth,
comfortable and dry.

I'm think the 12 would work good for us...we're 3 now!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Seriously Bob... the weight differences between a 6 hp and a 9.9hp
shouldn't
| be the deciding factor. They are minimal
|
| The Tohatsu/Nissan 4 cycle 6 weighs 55 lbs. The 9.9 weighs 114 lbs.
| Mooron, please don't give advice when you don't have a clue. It's
embarassing
| for you...and us.

Bob... you are fixated on a four stroke... don't bother. A two stroke is
just fine for your use and much cheaper. My 9.9 is easily handled with one
hand and hoisting into place on the rail when stowed is a piece of cake.

In regards to advise Bob... you asked.. don't start whining now!

I have over 40 years experience with kickers. I won't give you bad advise.

CM

Motorhead!


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I concur on that choice. Excellent vessel.

... mind you the exhilaration delivered by a 7.5 foot Zodiac RIB
with a
15hpMerc capped by a 9.9 decaled cowling is wondrous as well! :-)

CM


wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:20:34 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"

wrote:
|
| Bob... you need a 9.9hp to achieve plane.
|
| CM
|
|
| Unless he buys the much superior, stronger, faster, lighter, half
the
price,
| Portabote, in which case he can plane with just himself aboard
using an
electric
| trolling motor. To plane with a passenger and gear, he would need
5 hp.
|
| BB
|
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the
loss of
my
| | Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that
I've
| covered
| | completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen
stuff
was
| old. I
| | will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm
wondering what
to
| do
| | about the dinghy this time around.
| |
| | Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver
did
with
| the
| | same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will
be
enough
| to
| | plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the
Porta-boats.
How
| well
| | will they plane with two people and 6HP?
| |
| | RB
|
|

Yeah Baby!

Tel me how surfing at 25 kts on a piece of inflated rubber with a big kicker
throwing a rooster tail wouldn't be described as fun????

Now do it standing up!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Motorhead!

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Bob... you need a 9.9hp to achieve plane.

Agreed. My wife and I could plane our 10' Zodiac with a Merc 6hp, but it
took a lot of forward leaning, and a set of cavitation plate fins helped
immeasurably. A 10hp outboard makes the whole process easy, unless you and
your wife are midgets.

Max

Bob... you are fixated on a four stroke... don't bother. A two stroke is
just fine for your use and much cheaper.

There are no two strokes available here anymore. All dealers must sell the
superior and cleaner 4s. The 4s are quiet and require no fuel mix as well.

RB

That will push it just fine. Another nice thing about the Portabote is you can
drag it across rocks and broken glass as often as you please without damage.


Bill...I'm looking at the 12 foot version. I'd like the extra capacity. What
kind of speed do you think I'll get with two adults using a 6HP?

RB

Maxprop wrote:
..My wife and I could plane our 10' Zodiac with a Merc 6hp, but it
took a lot of forward leaning, and a set of cavitation plate fins helped
immeasurably. A 10hp outboard makes the whole process easy, unless you and
your wife are midgets.

Why do you need a motor? My wife & I have planed in several different
boats under sail power alone.

DSK

One thing to bear in mind, is that a hard shell tender is tender. They take
more care, particularly when climbing in.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That will push it just fine. Another nice thing about the Portabote is you
can
drag it across rocks and broken glass as often as you please without
damage.


Bill...I'm looking at the 12 foot version. I'd like the extra capacity.
What
kind of speed do you think I'll get with two adults using a 6HP?

RB

in case your interested:
this was just posted on the sailnet long island sound board
don't know anything about it and it may not fit your interest.
gf.


We have an eight foot Boatex hard dinghy for sale. It's located in the New
York area and is in excellent condition. A nearly new Mercury 3.3 two
stroke is available with it as well.

Asking $800 for the boat alone
Asking $1500 for the boat and motor

Tiny bit of room for negotiation to anyone in a hurry.

Eric



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

One of the more annoying losses when Alien was robbed was the loss of my
Quicksilver Dinghy and 5hp Tohatsu outboard. The upside is that I've
covered
completely and I can have all new stuff....not that the stolen stuff was
old. I
will be getting one of the new 4cycle outboards, but I'm wondering what to
do
about the dinghy this time around.

Question: Will a smaller Dinghy plane like the 9'10 Quicksilver did with
the
same HP. I may actually go to a 6HP. Any chance that a 6HP will be enough
to
plane with 2 people aboard? I'll also be looking into the Porta-boats. How
well
will they plane with two people and 6HP?

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Bob... you are fixated on a four stroke... don't bother. A two stroke is
| just fine for your use and much cheaper.
|
| There are no two strokes available here anymore. All dealers must sell the
| superior and cleaner 4s. The 4s are quiet and require no fuel mix as well.

Ah... victims of the Greenies!

We can still buy 2 strokes here.

Heh... those 4 stroke chainsaws must weigh a ton!

CM

Asking $800 for the boat alone
Asking $1500 for the boat and motor

So this clown wants ALL of his investment back?
Boatex 800 LISTS for a bit over 900.00 and the Merc 3.3 can be found for 550.00
or so. Maybe Scotty is dumb enough to buy it, unless Loco beats him to it.

RB

excuse my ignorance
how so?
gf.


wrote in message
...
On 08 Sep 2004 22:03:37 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Asking $800 for the boat alone
Asking $1500 for the boat and motor

So this clown wants ALL of his investment back?
Boatex 800 LISTS for a bit over 900.00 and the Merc 3.3 can be found for
550.00
or so. Maybe Scotty is dumb enough to buy it, unless Loco beats him to
it.

RB

It was also posted in direct violation of the sailnet list rules.

BB