Sailboats-What would You Change?
 

Try to keep this thread clean, folks!

We all love our boats. My C&C 32 has proven to be an all around great boat. But
there are some areas where she falls short and I'd make changes if I wasn't
moving up.

1) 6'6 bunks are still too short for me. Few boats deal well with this problem.
2) Her head is a bit small.
3) I'd prefer a longer anchor roller.
4) Her aft cleat arrangement is not ideal.
5) Her traveler system needs an upgrade.
6) She predates those very practical walk-thru transoms by a mile.

Some items can be fixed...some would be a bit involved. Now, what aspect of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how? What MUST you
have on your next boat that isn't part of your current vessel's design?

RB

Forespar gunmount self-tacking jib boom and roller furling jib in
lieu of the Camberspar. This has been done on other freedoms and I
like it, but expensive.
Doyle Stack Pack on main. I have the Mack Pack, but still quite fussy.
Wish it would point a little higher, but not in the nature of the
beast.


On 30 Aug 2004 17:04:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


Try to keep this thread clean, folks!

We all love our boats. My C&C 32 has proven to be an all around great boat. But
there are some areas where she falls short and I'd make changes if I wasn't
moving up.

1) 6'6 bunks are still too short for me. Few boats deal well with this problem.
2) Her head is a bit small.
3) I'd prefer a longer anchor roller.
4) Her aft cleat arrangement is not ideal.
5) Her traveler system needs an upgrade.
6) She predates those very practical walk-thru transoms by a mile.

Some items can be fixed...some would be a bit involved. Now, what aspect of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how? What MUST you
have on your next boat that isn't part of your current vessel's design?

RB

In article ,
Marc wrote:
Forespar gunmount self-tacking jib boom and roller furling jib in
lieu of the Camberspar. This has been done on other freedoms and I
like it, but expensive.
Doyle Stack Pack on main. I have the Mack Pack, but still quite fussy.
Wish it would point a little higher, but not in the nature of the
beast.

Good question... It's not practical but I would like a regular
traveller on my Cal 20. Other than that and a better motor mount, I
can't really think of anything.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 30 Aug 2004 17:04:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:


Try to keep this thread clean, folks!

We all love our boats. My C&C 32 has proven to be an all around great boat. But
there are some areas where she falls short and I'd make changes if I wasn't
moving up.


More cooler space would be nice. I'd like to replace the head with a
walk-in cooler.

And for those who think you can't **** without a head, I always use
the swim platform.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You might want to consider not using the swim platform
and start using the ocean. You're obviously in need of
friends, and asking them to step on your **** isn't the
way to do it.

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
And for those who think you can't **** without a head, I always use
the swim platform.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Joe wrote:
(Jonathan Ganz) wrote in message ...
In article ,
Marc wrote:
Forespar gunmount self-tacking jib boom and roller furling jib in
lieu of the Camberspar. This has been done on other freedoms and I
like it, but expensive.
Doyle Stack Pack on main. I have the Mack Pack, but still quite fussy.
Wish it would point a little higher, but not in the nature of the
beast.

Good question... It's not practical but I would like a regular
traveller on my Cal 20. Other than that and a better motor mount, I
can't really think of anything.

If it's not pratical why would you want it?
Afraid that 2 hp might rip off your transom?

Lost the arguments in the political arena, now you're on to looking
like a fool regarding sailing topics... got it.

It's not practical because I would like to better control the position
of the boom, but I would have to redo the entire mainsheet set up, and
I like using the barney post more than I care about boom position.

As far as the engine goes, I hardly ever use it, but it's a 4 horse,
2 stroke, and it weighs about 35 pounds. The motor mount gets stuck
some times when all the way down. Not a big deal for me, but when
my friend uses the boat, she has trouble with it.







--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Joe, you're one sad little boy... so much anger... I mean get past
it... for your own good.

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Joe wrote:
Falls Short is the Key Word. My 13 foot Dink is great but..........
Perfect for midgets huh?
Whats wrong is it choking on all your sh**
Get a hawspipe
Bet there weak as well.
To bad they did not do it right the first time huh?
walk thru transoms are for idiots.
I would make the hull Nicklecopper
NOTHING.

Joe

And notice bob I adressed all your question without making or creating
10 more postings. I know you want to keep your top posting number up
but it's a pain in the ass to have to back out and address each and
everyone of your important new postings.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Bobsprit" wrote

My C&C 32 has proven to be an all around great boat. But
there are some areas where she falls short

1) 6'6 bunks are still too short for me. Few boats deal well with this
problem.

It is well known that sailors prefer long bunks to wide ones.

2) Her head is a bit small.

Bring a shoe horn.

3) I'd prefer a longer anchor roller.

Easy. Change it.

4) Her aft cleat arrangement is not ideal.

Most boats screw this up. Change them. I like Herreshoff Cleats

5) Her traveler system needs an upgrade.

What is wrong with it?

6) She predates those very practical walk-thru transoms by a mile.

So you want to sacrifice safety for convenience? Smart idea if you
never go offshore.

Some items can be fixed...some would be a bit involved. Now, what aspect
of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how? What MUST
you
have on your next boat that isn't part of your current vessel's design?

I'd like an easier way to get in the boat from the water. An open transom,
or better yet, a flip down transom that turns into a dinghy dock.

Bart

Piano salon, stables, and servants quarters...
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
"Bobsprit" wrote

My C&C 32 has proven to be an all around great boat. But
there are some areas where she falls short

1) 6'6 bunks are still too short for me. Few boats deal well with this
problem.

It is well known that sailors prefer long bunks to wide ones.

2) Her head is a bit small.

Bring a shoe horn.

3) I'd prefer a longer anchor roller.

Easy. Change it.

4) Her aft cleat arrangement is not ideal.

Most boats screw this up. Change them. I like Herreshoff Cleats

5) Her traveler system needs an upgrade.

What is wrong with it?

6) She predates those very practical walk-thru transoms by a mile.

So you want to sacrifice safety for convenience? Smart idea if you
never go offshore.

Some items can be fixed...some would be a bit involved. Now, what aspect
of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how? What
MUST
you
have on your next boat that isn't part of your current vessel's design?

I'd like an easier way to get in the boat from the water. An open
transom,
or better yet, a flip down transom that turns into a dinghy dock.

Bart

Nutsy?

If you had a walk-thru transom, why would you keep the step-ladder?

If I wasn't so damn old, I'd install a cold plate in my chest ice box.

Capitol, after a lot of discussion, removed the beautiful, teak
drop-leaf table and finally gave me the space I wanted in the
Pilothouse.

Really, Capital Yachts did a good job of helping me make the changes
that I wanted for my last boat. Even to suggesting the cold plate for
the ice box, which I over ruled.

I'm a very happy old sailor with my last boat. Works for me!

Ole Thom

In article ,
Joe wrote:
(Jonathan Ganz) wrote in message ...
Joe, you're one sad little boy... so much anger... I mean get past
it... for your own good.


Anger at what Jonboy?

It's pretty obvious Joey.

And your Cal 20 is great for small lakes.... but thats about it.

Actually, Cal 20s have crossed the Pacific, but I wouldn't recommend
it. It does pretty well on the SF bay.. a bit more challenging that
you're typical small lake.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

I'm a very happy old sailor with my last boat. Works for me!

Glad to hear it, Thom. If only the Gulf 32 was a better sailing boat I'd really
want one.

RB

"Dave" wrote
A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. .....

What about a portable submersable bilge pump?

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:27:59 -0400, "Vito" wrote:

"Dave" wrote
A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. .....

What about a portable submersable bilge pump?


Put one in. Don't you have a drain opening in the low point of your
ice box? My last boat had a small electric pump that I could use to
empty the standing water in the icebox. My current boat has a hand
operated pump that sort of resembles a bicycle pump. It is teed into
the sink drain. Pump, pump....out it goes. That hand bailing is a
major headache. My first boat had a drain hole that simply drained
into the bilge. Yuck. Very poor shortcut.

On 7 Sep 2004, Dave wrote:

On 30 Aug 2004, (Bobsprit) said:

Now, what aspect of your boat's
performance and ergonomics would
you change and how?

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the
icebox. The CS27 has a huge icebox, but after a
few days I have to spend a lot of time first draining
the water into a small bucket and then emptying the
bucket.

If so, why not then simply install one, either permanently, perhaps
T-eed to an exhaust hose on another device (your boat's sink), or by
adopting/using a small bilge pump?

On 7 Sep 2004 13:51:12 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:37:11 GMT, felton said:

Put one in. Don't you have a drain opening in the low point of your
ice box? My last boat had a small electric pump that I could use to
empty the standing water in the icebox. My current boat has a hand
operated pump that sort of resembles a bicycle pump.

Yes, it does have a drain opening, with a valve to open, but the valve leads
to just a section of flexible pipe I have to lead to the bucket. I'll
probably end up installing a hand operated pump and lead the hose to the
sink. Certainly not a major problem, but a regular annoyance.

Indeed. A friend went the low tech route and just routed the hose to
an empty plastic gallon water jug and empties it when it gets full.
You would have to have a place for it, but it is better than the
current alternative:)

On a previous boat I installed a whale gusher foot activated pump,
connected to the reefer drain line with a spigot to the sink. worked
beautifully to drain ice melt water (prior to installing
refrigeration). I was able to use the ice melt water for washing
dishes and it made cleaning the reefer a lot easier.




On 7 Sep 2004 11:36:10 -0500, Dave wrote:

On 30 Aug 2004 17:04:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Now, what aspect of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how?

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the bucket.

On 7 Sep 2004 11:36:10 -0500, Dave wrote this crap:

On 30 Aug 2004 17:04:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Now, what aspect of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how?

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the bucket.


What a poor design.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 7 Sep 2004 13:51:12 -0500, Dave wrote this crap:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:37:11 GMT, felton said:

Put one in. Don't you have a drain opening in the low point of your
ice box? My last boat had a small electric pump that I could use to
empty the standing water in the icebox. My current boat has a hand
operated pump that sort of resembles a bicycle pump.

Yes, it does have a drain opening, with a valve to open, but the valve leads
to just a section of flexible pipe I have to lead to the bucket. I'll
probably end up installing a hand operated pump and lead the hose to the
sink. Certainly not a major problem, but a regular annoyance.


Put in a longer hose, and run it to a through-hull fitting that will
dump it outside.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On 7 Sep 2004 11:36:10 -0500, Dave wrote this crap:

On 30 Aug 2004 17:04:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Now, what aspect of
your boat's performance and ergonomics would you change and how?

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the bucket.


What a poor design.

Horass knows all about poor design! He owns a hunter!
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 7 Sep 2004 21:28:10 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:50:09 -0400, Horvath said:

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the bucket.


What a poor design.

Actually, most of the Camper and Nicholson designs, including this one (the
smallest they ever designed, I believe) are pretty well-regarded. A matter
of design priorities. My last boat had a small icebox with a nice drain to a
thru-hull. Never occurred to me that that wasn't almost universal. What it
didn't have is the capacity for as much food and beer as I'd ever need to
store, and a nice rack to hold a block of ice near the top of the box above
the food and drink. Not sure the trade-off is the best one, but it was a
valid design choice.

You know for a couple of grand or so you could install refrigeration
and the related electrical improvements and eliminate that drippy old
ice. Or you could spend the $15 and install a small pump. Most
sailors go the refrigeration route:)

So your ice isn't sitting IN the water?

Scotty

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:50:09 -0400, Horvath
said:

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The
CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time
first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the
bucket.


What a poor design.

Actually, most of the Camper and Nicholson designs, including this
one (the
smallest they ever designed, I believe) are pretty well-regarded. A
matter
of design priorities. My last boat had a small icebox with a nice
drain to a
thru-hull. Never occurred to me that that wasn't almost universal.
What it
didn't have is the capacity for as much food and beer as I'd ever
need to
store, and a nice rack to hold a block of ice near the top of the
box above
the food and drink. Not sure the trade-off is the best one, but it
was a
valid design choice.

On 7 Sep 2004 17:04:18 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

A pump for emptying the water that collects in the icebox. The CS27 has a
huge icebox, but after a few days I have to spend a lot of time first
draining the water into a small bucket and then emptying the bucket.


What a poor design.

Horass knows all about poor design! He owns a hunter!


I don't have to pump out the cooler.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I'd opt for eliptical foils and a carbon spar.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I'd opt for eliptical foils and a carbon spar.


You should opt for a brain and sex with a woman without using your debit card.

RB

Dork.

"Bobsprit" wrote


I'd opt for a brain and sex with a man without using my debit card.

RB

He can't help it. He's a looser that's disgusted with his lot in life. He'd
opt for a better boat, a better car, a pretty women and some friends.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

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I don't have to pump out my boyfriend.


Ewww....

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

That would be like putting a diamond tiara on a pig!

CM



"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message

| I'd opt for eliptical foils and a carbon spar.

While you opt to put carbon fiber on a garbage scow of an excuse for a
sailboat??

Bwahahahahahahaa...

CM


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| He can't help it. He's a looser that's disgusted with his lot in life.
He'd
| opt for a better boat, a better car, a pretty women and some friends.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "Trains are a winter sport"

On 7 Sep 2004 21:19:07 -0500, Dave wrote this crap:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:52:46 -0400, Horvath said:

Put in a longer hose, and run it to a through-hull fitting that will
dump it outside.

Definitely not a good idea as the bottom of the icebox is below the water
line. I'd rather not have sea water sloshing around in there.


Then run the hose to the bilge, and use the bilge pump to pump it
overboard.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

That would be like putting a diamond tiara on a pig!

LOL........... If my mid displacement fin keeler is a pig I'd hate to think of
the animal parallel to your tank.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message

| Snip my mid displacement fin keeler is a pig snip

So you agree that your scow is a pig?

Excellent!

CM

Loco's boat is pretty fast for it's day, but like the J30 and other go-fast
designs of it's day it has aged badly. More moderate designs, such as my C&C
32, Cals, Pearson's and even Catalina have stood the test of time far better.
They were far more dual purpose than the failed Express 30. So in that respect,
the Express 30 is a pig. Not a very good cruiser and a badly outdated racer.
Loco would have done better to buy a C&C 30 and a J24 to take part in real
races.
But as you pointed out....he's an idiot.

RB

So you agree that your scow is a pig?
Excellent!

Typical mooron .... can't read or comprehend. I said "if"
Once again- If my mid displacement 144 rated 30 footer is a pig what animal
parallel can be made with your tank?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Loco's boat is pretty fast for it's day, but like the J30 and other go-fast
designs of it's day it has aged badly. More moderate designs, such as my C&C
32, Cals, Pearson's and even Catalina have stood the test of time far better.
They were far more dual purpose than the failed Express 30.

LOL........... Once again you prove you know nothing about boats. How has
your 32' seventies era, old fashion stern slower boat fared better?
As far as my boat not being a great dual purpose boat please absorb this.
It's a wheel steered, mid displacement 144 rated thirty footer that carries a
full interior and an oven. Ain't many thirty footers like that. On the race
course I'd be in PHRF 'B' and you'd be in 'C' with the little and slow.
The only thing that's changed in the world is that today's 30 foot race
boats arre just that .... race boats.
Another nice try at trolling.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Typical mooron .... can't read or comprehend. I said "if"


No, no, Loco. Your boat IS a pig.
There, that's settled.

RB