OT Who is the Flip-Flopper ?
 

Feel free to see what a real flip-flopper looks like.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=42263

I'll say one thing for him, though, when he is wrong, and he has been
wrong A LOT, he is stubborn....for those of you who think that is a
personal quality to be admired.

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felton wrote:
Feel free to see what a real flip-flopper looks like.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=42263

I'll say one thing for him, though, when he is wrong, and he has been
wrong A LOT, he is stubborn....for those of you who think that is a
personal quality to be admired.

Only 25 items? Seems Bush-league to me.

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On 25 Aug 2004 20:59:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:25:18 GMT, felton said:

http://www.americanprogress.org

You complain about Fox News and these are your sources of information?
Sheesh. I'd be ashamed to cite such a source for anything.

Of course you dismissed all the information as inaccurate because the
"source is biased", yet again, now didn't you Dave? It is quite
specific. Why not spend some time trying to refute any of it? You
have no problem considering affidavits signed by folks who freely
admit they have no personal knowledge as "new evidence". Why not take
a shot at debunking any of it. Are you disputing it, or just taking
another trip down denial?


BTW, I see the Kerry campaign sent out an e-mail to all its supporters
yesterday giving them the talking points to use when Bush gets a large
expected bounce in the next couple of weeks. They're on the run.

Hey, I look forward to the convention. I have yet to hear about
anything that could be called a second term agenda. I suspect they
are trying to scratch one together, but so far all I have heard is
that "we have turned the corner." I guess they got a bit bogged down
over the gay marriage thing. After all, the Republicans are
desperately trying to put a moderate face on the party while clinging
to their one dimensional campaign to make Kerry look like the worse
choice. I'll give credit where it is due, though, they are good at
smearing their opposition. After all they convinced the Republicans
that Jr was a better candidate than McCain, so they can obviously sell
ice to eskimos. Now if they can just figure out a way to make
everyone ignore their record, I'll really be impressed. P.T Barnum
was a piker by comparison.

felton wrote in message . ..


Kerry

On 25 Aug 2004 21:27:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:16:25 GMT, felton said:

Hey, I look forward to the convention.

Guess you didn't get the memo. g

I guess not. Was it mailed or did Bill O'Reilly read it on the air?:)

On 25 Aug 2004 19:58:51 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

felton wrote in message . ..


Kerry

Poor Joe...as my old grandpa would have said, "the boy couldn't hit a
bull in the ass with a banjo." He had a lot of colorful expressions.
It may be time to dust some of them off.:)

On 26 Aug 2004 09:54:19 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:30:07 GMT, felton said:

I guess not. Was it mailed or did Bill O'Reilly read it on the air?:)

It was sent by e-mail to Kerry's supporters on August 24 by Kerry's "Senior
Strategist."

I'll stay glued to the screen in eager anticipation of it's arrival.
I don't believe I have signed up as a supporter anywhere. The only
"list" I am on is the factcheck.org, which is bipartisan and
impartial.

As I said, I am looking forward to some specifics from the Bush
Campaign. I gather they have about worked out the anti-gay marriage
issue, which seems to occupy a great deal of time and energy in the
Republican Party, but, quite honestly, isn't of any real interest to
me, other than as a barometer of where the Republican Party is these
days.

Kerry's proposals are actually refreshingly specific. Just check out
johnkerry.com. I was curious as to just exactly what tax policy
changes they support and was a bit surprised to see them laid out
specifically. As in any election year, it is always a bit breathtaking
to contemplate the generosity of the tax structure, the new Federal
programs and the strengthening of the military, all while dealing with
the deficits.

I visited the Bush website and really didn't find much, other than the
expected puffery and the call for their supporters to call their local
talk radio programs to praise Bush and criticize Kerry. I am not sure
how much good a specific agenda for a second term would be, anyway, as
they rapidly departed from their stated principles after getting into
office the last time.

In the words of George W..."Fool me once, shame on you...but we won't
be fooled again.":) Ah, the benefits of a Connecticut education:)

Yeah, they're on the run, way out in front.

Seriously though you should check out the latest issue of The
Atlantic. There's an interesting piece about Fox News... something
like When the News is Almost the News or something like that.

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Dave wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:25:18 GMT, felton said:

http://www.americanprogress.org

You complain about Fox News and these are your sources of information?
Sheesh. I'd be ashamed to cite such a source for anything.

BTW, I see the Kerry campaign sent out an e-mail to all its supporters
yesterday giving them the talking points to use when Bush gets a large
expected bounce in the next couple of weeks. They're on the run.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
felton wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 21:27:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:16:25 GMT, felton said:

Hey, I look forward to the convention.

Guess you didn't get the memo. g

I guess not. Was it mailed or did Bill O'Reilly read it on the air?:)

He read it when he was awarded a Peabody.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
felton wrote:
As I said, I am looking forward to some specifics from the Bush
Campaign. I gather they have about worked out the anti-gay marriage
issue, which seems to occupy a great deal of time and energy in the
Republican Party, but, quite honestly, isn't of any real interest to
me, other than as a barometer of where the Republican Party is these
days.

I think Bush and Cheney need to get on the same page about gay
marriages. Cheney just contradicted Bush... seems Cheney is ok with
people doing whatever they want to do. Looks like Bush is going to be
flip flopping all over that one. I guess Cheney's daughter has more
more influence than we thought.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 26 Aug 2004 11:41:41 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article ,
felton wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 21:27:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:16:25 GMT, felton said:

Hey, I look forward to the convention.

Guess you didn't get the memo. g

I guess not. Was it mailed or did Bill O'Reilly read it on the air?:)

He read it when he was awarded a Peabody.

Or when he claimed, on his program, that the Swift Boat group never
claimed Kerry lied. Where has he been. That is all they have been
saying.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007

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felton wrote:
Or when he claimed, on his program, that the Swift Boat group never
claimed Kerry lied. Where has he been. That is all they have been
saying.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007

I'm sure O'Reilly will soon claim that he was mis-quoted.


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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Jon!!!! .... try at least one sailing related post a friggin' day will
ya??!!! Eh!!

Cripes!

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| felton wrote:
| Or when he claimed, on his program, that the Swift Boat group never
| claimed Kerry lied. Where has he been. That is all they have been
| saying.
|
| http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007
|
| I'm sure O'Reilly will soon claim that he was mis-quoted.
|
|
| --
| Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
| http://www.sailnow.com
| "If there's no wind, row."
|

On 26 Aug 2004 12:08:20 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article ,
felton wrote:
Or when he claimed, on his program, that the Swift Boat group never
claimed Kerry lied. Where has he been. That is all they have been
saying.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007

I'm sure O'Reilly will soon claim that he was mis-quoted.

Well, the audio clip is there, at that link, to support the story.
Damn that audio! Kind of like the head liar of the Swift Boats, John
O'Neill who has now, embarrassingly, been discovered on the Nixon
Whitehouse tapes saying that he, John O'Neill, was in Cambodia on a
Swift Boat. Ouch. What goes around comes around, I guess. First he
says that Kerry HAS to be lying about being in Cambodia and then he is
caught on tape saying he was there, too. Now he says he wasn't, but
hasn't come up with a good story as to why he said he was. Am I
surprised? Nope, just amused to watch this barge of crap sinking
under it's own weight.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_5114.shtml

Take it to a friggin' Chat Room... you and Jon can "NO" & "YES" each other
all day in real time.

CM




"felton" wrote in message
...
| On 26 Aug 2004 12:08:20 -0700, (Jonathan
| Ganz) wrote:
|
| In article ,
| felton wrote:
| Or when he claimed, on his program, that the Swift Boat group never
| claimed Kerry lied. Where has he been. That is all they have been
| saying.
|
| http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007
|
| I'm sure O'Reilly will soon claim that he was mis-quoted.
|
| Well, the audio clip is there, at that link, to support the story.
| Damn that audio! Kind of like the head liar of the Swift Boats, John
| O'Neill who has now, embarrassingly, been discovered on the Nixon
| Whitehouse tapes saying that he, John O'Neill, was in Cambodia on a
| Swift Boat. Ouch. What goes around comes around, I guess. First he
| says that Kerry HAS to be lying about being in Cambodia and then he is
| caught on tape saying he was there, too. Now he says he wasn't, but
| hasn't come up with a good story as to why he said he was. Am I
| surprised? Nope, just amused to watch this barge of crap sinking
| under it's own weight.
|
| http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_5114.shtml
|
|

In article ,
felton wrote:
Well, the audio clip is there, at that link, to support the story.
Damn that audio! Kind of like the head liar of the Swift Boats, John
O'Neill who has now, embarrassingly, been discovered on the Nixon
Whitehouse tapes saying that he, John O'Neill, was in Cambodia on a
Swift Boat. Ouch. What goes around comes around, I guess. First he
says that Kerry HAS to be lying about being in Cambodia and then he is
caught on tape saying he was there, too. Now he says he wasn't, but
hasn't come up with a good story as to why he said he was. Am I
surprised? Nope, just amused to watch this barge of crap sinking
under it's own weight.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_5114.shtml

That won't stop O'Reilly.

But, I wish the people running would get back to the important
issues. Kerry has a lot to say still, and I'm looking forward to
hearing what the Republicans say at the RNC.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Take it to a friggin' Chat Room... you and Jon can "NO" & "YES" each other
all day in real time.

I hate in when Canadians chime in with legitimate concerns. Isn't that
place up north somewhere?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."