On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:16:14 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:16:32 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:


Not at all. Everyone knows that the French-looking John Kerry served
honorably, even if there is six months missing from his service record
after leaving Vietnam early.

Missing? I think he left the military the way he was supposed to,


And your information comes from where? Never mind, I know....rectal
extraction.

Kerry enlisted on February 18, 1966. His date of separation from
active duty was March 1, 1970.


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In October 1969, while Kerry was still on active duty assigned to
Admiral Schlech, Kerry was flying Adam Walinsky (Robert F. Kennedy's
former speech writer), around New York state to deliver anti-war
speeches.
BY Jan. 3, 1970, Kerry had become so inspired by Walinsky's anti-war
beliefs that he petitioned Admiral Schlech, "to tell his boss that his
conscientious dictated that he protest the war, that he wanted out of
the Navy immediately so that he could run for congress."
Admiral Schlech consented and Kerry received an honorable discharge
from the Navy six months early.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...com/page2.html

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What part of, "six months early" do you have problems understanding?


Well, I suppose I could rely on the statements you have quoted that
John Kerry was released from the Navy "six months early", or I could
look at the dates and a calendar and see that if he enlisted on
February 18, 1966 and he was released on March 1, 1970, that appears
to be more than the four years you say he should have served. What
part of a caledar and counting to 4 do you not understand?

Here is the timeline, all supported by those pesky Navy records, in
case you want to check for yourself.

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_..._timeline.html

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:16:14 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:16:32 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:


Not at all. Everyone knows that the French-looking John Kerry served
honorably, even if there is six months missing from his service record
after leaving Vietnam early.

Missing? I think he left the military the way he was supposed to,


And your information comes from where? Never mind, I know....rectal
extraction.

Kerry enlisted on February 18, 1966. His date of separation from
active duty was March 1, 1970.


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In October 1969, while Kerry was still on active duty assigned to
Admiral Schlech, Kerry was flying Adam Walinsky (Robert F. Kennedy's
former speech writer), around New York state to deliver anti-war
speeches.
BY Jan. 3, 1970, Kerry had become so inspired by Walinsky's anti-war
beliefs that he petitioned Admiral Schlech, "to tell his boss that his
conscientious dictated that he protest the war, that he wanted out of
the Navy immediately so that he could run for congress."
Admiral Schlech consented and Kerry received an honorable discharge
from the Navy six months early.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...com/page2.html

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What part of, "six months early" do you have problems understanding?

Horvath...just thought I would point out a couple of things about your
source of this "information"


"This new round of attacks comes from a familiar name -- Ted Sampley
-- who has a long history of irrational public attacks against both
John McCain and John Kerry. In 1992 Sampley created a fake photo of
John Kerry shooting an American MIA. He has been jailed for starting a
fight with John McCain's staff, and has called McCain the Manchurian
Candidate, accusing him of being "brainwashed by the Vietnamese" and
being a "KGB spy."

Ted Sampley is now the head of "Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry" and a
supporter of "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." He has been telling lies
about John Kerry, and today he launched an extraordinarily false ad
smearing John Kerry's military service."

So basically you are quoting a raving lunatic as your factual source.
Just thought you might like to know.

In article ,
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Horvath wrote:
Not at all. My 22 years of honorable service was fully volunteered.
I could have got out at any time.

That's exactly what drug addicts say all the time. Were you a drug addict?
--

Close. Most lifers I've known hate making everyday decisions like what to
wear, what to do, where to go, what to eat. The military makes them for you.
You wear the uniform of the day, go where and do what you're told, sleep
where you're told and eat what you're given. Convicts also find it so hard
to make these decisions after years of incarceration that many commit a
crime and go back within weeks of getting out. Imagine the security of
sleeping protected by guards, being waked up and fed, exercised and fed,
entertained and fed, then sent to your bed again, day after day, year after
year. Some find it addictive.

Well good for you! And this has prepared you for the real world how?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On 30 Aug 2004 15:58:08 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

You're an idiot! At least get your facts right some of the time!
Everything you're said has been total hogwash.

Actually, everything I've said has been totally true. What about
Kerry's missing service?

Which missing service? The part where he was the hero or where he was
wounded in combat?
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
felton wrote:
Well, I suppose I could rely on the statements you have quoted that
John Kerry was released from the Navy "six months early", or I could
look at the dates and a calendar and see that if he enlisted on
February 18, 1966 and he was released on March 1, 1970, that appears
to be more than the four years you say he should have served. What
part of a caledar and counting to 4 do you not understand?

Here is the timeline, all supported by those pesky Navy records, in
case you want to check for yourself.

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_..._timeline.html

Felton, you should know by now that Horass is only interested in
winning fags, I mean flags.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:55:47 -0400, "Vito" wrote
this crap:

Close. Most lifers I've known hate making everyday decisions like what to
wear, what to do, where to go, what to eat. The military makes them for you.
You wear the uniform of the day, go where and do what you're told, sleep
where you're told and eat what you're given.


I was an officer. I was the one making those decisions and telling
those people what to do.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:40:52 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:


Actually, everything I've said has been totally true. What about
Kerry's missing service?

You are confusing Bush with Kerry. There is no missing service for
Kerry.

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In October 1969, while Kerry was still on active duty assigned to
Admiral Schlech, Kerry was flying Adam Walinsky (Robert F. Kennedy's
former speech writer), around New York state to deliver anti-war
speeches.
BY Jan. 3, 1970, Kerry had become so inspired by Walinsky's anti-war
beliefs that he petitioned Admiral Schlech, "to tell his boss that his
conscientious dictated that he protest the war, that he wanted out of
the Navy immediately so that he could run for congress."
Admiral Schlech consented and Kerry received an honorable discharge
from the Navy six months early.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...com/page2.html
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And here's another source:

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Kerry served with Admiral Schlech until the end of 1969, when he
requested an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a
Massachusetts congressional seat. Admiral Schlech approved the
request, and on 3 January 1970 Kerry received an honorable discharge,
six months early.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
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Now what part of "six months early" do you have trouble understanding?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:47 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:


Kerry enlisted on February 18, 1966. His date of separation from
active duty was March 1, 1970.



Well, I suppose I could rely on the statements you have quoted that
John Kerry was released from the Navy "six months early", or I could
look at the dates and a calendar and see that if he enlisted on
February 18, 1966 and he was released on March 1, 1970, that appears
to be more than the four years you say he should have served. What
part of a caledar and counting to 4 do you not understand?


While doing more checking, I found this information:
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In total, Kerry served on active duty for three and a half years, from
August 1966 until March 1970. He was transferred to the Naval Reserve
in 1970, and was later transferred to the Standby Reserve in 1972,
where he no longer was required to participate in Reserve activities.
He received his honorable discharge in 1978.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ke...281966-1970.29
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It sure looks to me like there's some gaps in the French-looking John
Kerry's records.

Like what was he doing between 1970 and 1978? looks to me like he was
AWOL for EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!

What say you to that?







Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:12:03 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:


What part of, "six months early" do you have problems understanding?

Horvath...just thought I would point out a couple of things about your
source of this "information"

You can't argue against the facts, so you attack the source.

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Kerry served with Admiral Schlech until the end of 1969, when he
requested an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a
Massachusetts congressional seat. Admiral Schlech approved the
request, and on 3 January 1970 Kerry received an honorable discharge,
six months early.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
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Now go ahead and attact snopes. I love making you liberals cry.






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On 31 Aug 2004 10:53:30 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

Actually, everything I've said has been totally true. What about
Kerry's missing service?

Which missing service? The part where he was the hero or where he was
wounded in combat?


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In total, Kerry served on active duty for three and a half years, from
August 1966 until March 1970. He was transferred to the Naval Reserve
in 1970, and was later transferred to the Standby Reserve in 1972,
where he no longer was required to participate in Reserve activities.
He received his honorable discharge in 1978.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ke...281966-1970.29
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Looks to me like he was AWOL for eight years.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!