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Back to the real world
Well, I've had two wonderful weeks of dinghy sailing and windsurfing in
Turkey. I'm shocked by the quantity of political crap that has been posted here during my absence. In fact, I'm not going to bother to read most of it. Joe, felton, Walt and Jon all deserve a good kick up the backside!! Anyway, I learned a couple of things in the last two weeks. Windsurfing is great fun, but you really should learn to do it before you reach 40! Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster .... especially downwind!! Watching the youngsters was very interesting. The kids played a game called "Pirates" using Topper Taz's. The Taz is a bit like an Optimist(sp?). It is a beginner's dinghy. There are two objectives in the game of Pirates. The main objective is to capture your opponent's boat. You have to board their boat and eject the occupant into the water. The secondary objective is to simply capsize your opponent's boat. In other words, Pirates is a game of total havoc! At any point in time about half of the 16 strong fleet was capsized!! At first I was horrified, but I soon realised that the kids were learning about sailing without realising that they were "learning". They were also having great fun. I watched one boy stand on the bow of his dinghy as he approached his target. He was going downwind, and he seemed to be steering by shifting his weight from one foot to the other. He had learned to do this without any lessons!!! On the other hand, I attended a "Beginner's Clinic" before I took out a Laser. Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote:
Well, I've had two wonderful weeks of dinghy sailing and windsurfing in Turkey. Ok. I'm jealous. I'm shocked by the quantity of political crap that has been posted here during my absence. In fact, I'm not going to bother to read most of it. A wise choice. There's much better analysis elsewhere if that's your cup of tea. Anyway, I learned a couple of things in the last two weeks. Windsurfing is great fun, but you really should learn to do it before you reach 40! Yes, you should. But if you didn't, don't let that be an excuse. 40 isn't too late. I learned after 40. Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster .... especially downwind!! I'm not familiar with the Topaz. Is it like a Topper? If it is, there's no comparrison with a Laser. Watching the youngsters was very interesting. The kids played a game called "Pirates" using Topper Taz's. The Taz is a bit like an Optimist(sp?). It is a beginner's dinghy. There are two objectives in the game of Pirates. The main objective is to capture your opponent's boat. You have to board their boat and eject the occupant into the water. The secondary objective is to simply capsize your opponent's boat. In other words, Pirates is a game of total havoc! At any point in time about half of the 16 strong fleet was capsized!! The way we play Pirates, the objective is to steal the rudder off the other boat. If you can't steal the rudder, the tiller will do. Yes, I'm still a kid at heart. So, where did you stay? More importantly, where can you rent Lasers & windsurfers in Turkey? -- // Walt // // There is no Volkl Conspiracy |
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:32:31 +0100, "Donal"
wrote: Well, I've had two wonderful weeks of dinghy sailing and windsurfing in Turkey. I'm shocked by the quantity of political crap that has been posted here during my absence. In fact, I'm not going to bother to read most of it. Joe, felton, Walt and Jon all deserve a good kick up the backside!! Sinc when did this become a sailing newsgroup? I must have missed that memo:) Otherwise, congrats. I'm jealous:) Kick away...I have been numb back there for quite some time.... Anyway, I learned a couple of things in the last two weeks. Windsurfing is great fun, but you really should learn to do it before you reach 40! Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster .... especially downwind!! Watching the youngsters was very interesting. The kids played a game called "Pirates" using Topper Taz's. The Taz is a bit like an Optimist(sp?). It is a beginne r'sdinghy. There are two objectives in the game of Pirates. The main objective is to capture your opponent's boat. You have to board their boat and eject the occupant into the water. The secondary objective is to simply capsize your opponent's boat. In other words, Pirates is a game of total havoc! At any point in time about half of the 16 strong fleet was capsized!! At first I was horrified, but I soon realised that the kids were learning about sailing without realising that they were "learning". They were also having great fun. I watched one boy stand on the bow of his dinghy as he approached his target. He was going downwind, and he seemed to be steering by shifting his weight from one foot to the other. He had learned to do this without any lessons!!! On the other hand, I attended a "Beginner's Clinic" before I took out a Laser. Regards Donal |
Kids at our yacht club do that with the Melges 24's...they straddle the boat
and rock it back and forth while using the tiller for direction so they can make the tight turn into the crane well.... "Donal" wrote in message ... Well, I've had two wonderful weeks of dinghy sailing and windsurfing in Turkey. I'm shocked by the quantity of political crap that has been posted here during my absence. In fact, I'm not going to bother to read most of it. Joe, felton, Walt and Jon all deserve a good kick up the backside!! Anyway, I learned a couple of things in the last two weeks. Windsurfing is great fun, but you really should learn to do it before you reach 40! Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster .... especially downwind!! Watching the youngsters was very interesting. The kids played a game called "Pirates" using Topper Taz's. The Taz is a bit like an Optimist(sp?). It is a beginner's dinghy. There are two objectives in the game of Pirates. The main objective is to capture your opponent's boat. You have to board their boat and eject the occupant into the water. The secondary objective is to simply capsize your opponent's boat. In other words, Pirates is a game of total havoc! At any point in time about half of the 16 strong fleet was capsized!! At first I was horrified, but I soon realised that the kids were learning about sailing without realising that they were "learning". They were also having great fun. I watched one boy stand on the bow of his dinghy as he approached his target. He was going downwind, and he seemed to be steering by shifting his weight from one foot to the other. He had learned to do this without any lessons!!! On the other hand, I attended a "Beginner's Clinic" before I took out a Laser. Regards Donal -- |
Walt wrote:
I'm not familiar with the Topaz. Is it like a Topper? If it is, there's no comparrison with a Laser. The Topaz is beamier - more like an arrowhead shape in plan. It's a sit-on, wet dinghy with an open transom. I haven't sailed a Laser, but my experience of the Topaz was that it was okay in a breeze, but frustrating in light air - too slow and too tippy. I found it rather cramped and uncomfortable when I couldn't lean out. Review, blurb, photos, at... http://www.ybw.com/sp/features/topaz/ http://www.splashdance.com/topaz.htm -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Welcome back. Didn't know you were gone, thought you were in the
politico threads, which I've KFed. Scotty "Donal" wrote in message ... Well, I've had two wonderful weeks of dinghy sailing and windsurfing in Turkey. I'm shocked by the quantity of political crap that has been posted here during my absence. In fact, I'm not going to bother to read most of it. Joe, felton, Walt and Jon all deserve a good kick up the backside!! Anyway, I learned a couple of things in the last two weeks. Windsurfing is great fun, but you really should learn to do it before you reach 40! Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster ..... especially downwind!! Watching the youngsters was very interesting. The kids played a game called "Pirates" using Topper Taz's. The Taz is a bit like an Optimist(sp?). It is a beginner's dinghy. There are two objectives in the game of Pirates. The main objective is to capture your opponent's boat. You have to board their boat and eject the occupant into the water. The secondary objective is to simply capsize your opponent's boat. In other words, Pirates is a game of total havoc! At any point in time about half of the 16 strong fleet was capsized!! At first I was horrified, but I soon realised that the kids were learning about sailing without realising that they were "learning". They were also having great fun. I watched one boy stand on the bow of his dinghy as he approached his target. He was going downwind, and he seemed to be steering by shifting his weight from one foot to the other. He had learned to do this without any lessons!!! On the other hand, I attended a "Beginner's Clinic" before I took out a Laser. Regards Donal -- |
Wally wrote:
The Topaz is beamier - more like an arrowhead shape in plan. It's a sit-on, wet dinghy with an open transom. I haven't sailed a Laser, but my experience of the Topaz was that it was okay in a breeze, but frustrating in light air - too slow and too tippy. What a great combination... it's slow, but at least it's uncomfortable! I sailed a Topper Buzz a few times and that's a fun boat... bigger, faster, real fiberglass, I liked it more than a 420... it's not a Johnson 18 but then so few boats are. ... I found it rather cramped and uncomfortable when I couldn't lean out. Review, blurb, photos, at... http://www.ybw.com/sp/features/topaz/ http://www.splashdance.com/topaz.htm I notice they put a metal structural member to hold the mast. I guess that's how they get away with putting a jib & "genaker" on a molded plastic boat. Those rotomolded 'Escape' boats can't get any horsepower, they deform instead. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
DSK wrote:
The Topaz is beamier - more like an arrowhead shape in plan. It's a sit-on, wet dinghy with an open transom. I haven't sailed a Laser, but my experience of the Topaz was that it was okay in a breeze, but frustrating in light air - too slow and too tippy. What a great combination... it's slow, but at least it's uncomfortable! It's slow, uncomfortable *and* liable to fall over. :-) Maybe the Topaz is slow due to wetted area - it's flat-bottomed. Not a heavy boat, it can be righted easily just by pulling down on the dagger board, but you have to get the head into the wind first, or it'll just fall over again. I sailed a Topper Buzz a few times and that's a fun boat... bigger, faster, real fiberglass, I liked it more than a 420... it's not a Johnson 18 but then so few boats are. I might have seen a Buzz - is it similar to the Laser Stratos? Modern dinghy, openish transom, probably has a spinnaker chute, maybe roller furling jib. About 14', I think. I notice they put a metal structural member to hold the mast. I guess that's how they get away with putting a jib & "genaker" on a molded plastic boat. Those rotomolded 'Escape' boats can't get any horsepower, they deform instead. I didn't feel that the Topaz was anything less than very sturdy. It's moulded, but flex or deformation never entered my head when I sailed one - more like tough as old boots. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
OoozeOne wrote in message ... Sounds like fun Donal. Where did you stay Bodrum, Kusadasi? About 30 minutes from Bodrum - on the Northern side of the peninsula. The resort is called Mar Verde. The dinghies and windsurf boards boards were free - as were the "Day Boats". The Day boats were 32 foot Oceanis ex-charter yachts which were available to guests. Regards Donal -- |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Welcome back. Didn't know you were gone, thought you were in the politico threads, which I've KFed. Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics - apart from the fact that GWB is a complete idiot. Regards Donal -- |
"Walt" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: Lasers are much easier to sail than Topaz's, - AND they go faster .... especially downwind!! I'm not familiar with the Topaz. Is it like a Topper? If it is, there's no comparrison with a Laser. The Topaz is made by Topper. It is supposed to be easier to sail than a Laser. However, I found the Topaz to be extremely uncomfortable. You spend most of your time on your knees, which gets very painful after a short time. On the Laser you can sit on the side. The Laser also goes much faster!!!!! So, where did you stay? More importantly, where can you rent Lasers & windsurfers in Turkey? The boats were included in the price of the holiday. There were no queues for Taz's, Topaz's, Lasers, or RS800's. There were (short) queues for Hobie 15's and Sport 16's. The holiday was provided by Sunsail. There are two other companies doing similiar holidays in Europe - Mark Warner and Neilson. Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics Jerk! That never stopped you from discussing a topic before. Regardless Scotty |
Donal wrote:
However, I found the Topaz to be extremely uncomfortable. You spend most of your time on your knees, which gets very painful after a short time. That's exactly the experience I had. Hunched up, cursing it for having all the get-up and go of a tree trunk. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Katy,
I can make headway with my 29 Ft Pilothouse. I taught my crew on my other boat, which was outboard powered to stand in the pulpit and rock it the last couple of feet into the slip. I lot easier than cranking the metal monster to life. When I got the pilothouse, with the inboard, and a better sailer, we developed a different docking technique. When racing one time, the wind quit on me as we were turning the weather mark. The tide was carrying me broad side right into the mark. I was busting my gut trying to scull with the rudder but with a wheel helm, I wasn't do to well. I figure we were going to be DSQ when suddenly the boat started rocking. My Bowman was in the pulpit taking us around the mark an into the edge of a cloud generated whisper of a breeze. I was really fighting with myself about declaring the action as we were nearing the committee boat when they blew the cancellation signal Ole Thom |
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:11:39 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap: Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics - apart from the fact that GWB is a complete idiot. You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
OoozeOne wrote in message ... BTW did you spend much time in Bodrum itself? No, - only one evening. I was on a bit of a mission to learn to sail lasers and windsurfing. At my age, two weeks isn't enough. So I suppose that I will have to go back!! Where do you have your boats in Turkey? Regards Donal -- |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:11:39 +0100, "Donal" wrote this crap: Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics - apart from the fact that GWB is a complete idiot. You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. Perhaps you would demonstrate the value of a Harvard degree by posting your's??? Regards Donal -- |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics Jerk! That never stopped you from discussing a topic before. I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more intelligent than Jax! Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more | intelligent than Jax! W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more | intelligent than Jax! W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) I doubt it. Regards Donal -- |
Aha the holiday did you good!
Cheers Donal wrote: "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics Jerk! That never stopped you from discussing a topic before. I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more intelligent than Jax! Regards Donal -- |
He'll need an address!!!
;-) Cheers Donal wrote: "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:11:39 +0100, "Donal" wrote this crap: Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics - apart from the fact that GWB is a complete idiot. You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. Perhaps you would demonstrate the value of a Harvard degree by posting your's??? Regards Donal -- |
Nav wrote:
He'll need an address!!! Horass is a vagrant? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Stumpy...
In article , Wally wrote: Nav wrote: He'll need an address!!! Horass is a vagrant? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
yes with a wi-fi connection at teh local starbucks
gf "Wally" wrote in message ... Nav wrote: He'll need an address!!! Horass is a vagrant? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Stung who, me or Jax?
SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more | intelligent than Jax! W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) CM |
Horvath wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:11:39 +0100, "Donal" wrote this crap: Idiot! I don't know anything about American politics - apart from the fact that GWB is a complete idiot. You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. He still hasen't even posted his Physic Yachtmaster ticket Joe Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
real world ,maybe that is a idealist place, there are not despise,not
lie,not failture......., is really exsitence that place in the world?? who can tell me ?? i do not know how to express my opinion, i felt very puzzle now, i do not know who can help me to release this kind of feeling? |
Try another hit of Window Pane.... try several more hits as a matter of
fact. CM "CASEY" wrote in message om... | real world ,maybe that is a idealist place, there are not despise,not | lie,not failture......., is really exsitence that place in the world?? | who can tell me ?? i do not know how to express my opinion, i felt | very puzzle now, i do not know who can help me to release this kind of | feeling? |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Stung who, me or Jax? Hint...... Mooron overestimated you! Regards Donal -- SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more | intelligent than Jax! W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) CM |
"Joe" wrote in message om... He still hasen't even posted his Physic Yachtmaster ticket Joe, Are you aware that recent medical research has proved that rectal pressure can cause irritation to the skin on the human neck? Do rednecks have the ability to know when they have been insulted? BTW, I have never heard of a "Physic Yachtmaster ticket". Perhaps you would care to tell us about it???? Regards Donal -- |
You stung Mooron? Why?
Scotty "Donal" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Stung who, me or Jax? Hint...... Mooron overestimated you! Regards Donal -- SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is more | intelligent than Jax! W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) CM |
Me?? I thought he stung Jax!!
CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | You stung Mooron? Why? | | Scotty | | "Donal" wrote in message | ... | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | Stung who, me or Jax? | | Hint...... Mooron overestimated you! | | | | Regards | | Donal | -- | | | SV | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "Donal" wrote in message | | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is | more | | intelligent than Jax! | | W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) | | CM | | | | | | | | |
I think he polished Jax.
SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Me?? I thought he stung Jax!! CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | You stung Mooron? Why? | | Scotty | | "Donal" wrote in message | ... | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | Stung who, me or Jax? | | Hint...... Mooron overestimated you! | | | | Regards | | Donal | -- | | | SV | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "Donal" wrote in message | | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is | more | | intelligent than Jax! | | W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) | | CM | | | | | | | | |
Wally wrote: Nav wrote: He'll need an address!!! Horass is a vagrant? No to post it... Cheers |
CASEY wrote: real world ,maybe that is a idealist place, there are not despise,not lie,not failture......., is really exsitence that place in the world?? who can tell me ?? i do not know how to express my opinion, i felt very puzzle now, i do not know who can help me to release this kind of feeling? Hello? Is anyone out there? Cheers |
And there was me thinking that when Marty talked of polishing his tiller
he was doing just that. Silly me. Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: I think he polished Jax. SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Me?? I thought he stung Jax!! CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | You stung Mooron? Why? | | Scotty | | "Donal" wrote in message | ... | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | Stung who, me or Jax? | | Hint...... Mooron overestimated you! | | | | Regards | | Donal | -- | | | SV | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "Donal" wrote in message | | I don't worry about insults from people who think that GWB is | more | | intelligent than Jax! | | W-o-o-o-o-o-o.... that stung I bet! :-) | | CM | | | | | | | | |
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:41:19 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap: You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. Perhaps you would demonstrate the value of a Harvard degree by posting your's??? I never said I had one. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
In article ,
Horvath wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:41:19 +0100, "Donal" wrote this crap: You still haven't posted your Harvard or Yale degree. Perhaps you would demonstrate the value of a Harvard degree by posting your's??? I never said I had one. Stumpy occasionally has 102. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message om... He still hasen't even posted his Physic Yachtmaster ticket BTW, I have never heard of a "Physic Yachtmaster ticket". Perhaps you would care to tell us about it???? Yes you have, Remember your navigation exam with no external input? Joe Regards Donal -- |
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