He has every right to express his
opinion.

In my opinion he made himself look like a liar in his attempt to fool the
public at the time.
Facts:
Kerry said he and others committed atrocities which consisted of:
1. Firing in free fire zones. DUH, well that's what you do in a free fire
zone.
2. Participated in harrassment and interdiction fire. That's a common
military tactic which consisted in Vietnam of firing shells during the night at
known VC supply trails. Nothing wrong with that. We spent every night on the
destroyer I was on doing the same thing.
3. Shooting the enemy with 50 cal. machine guns. When your being shot at you
shoot back with whatever you have. I don't get that. I guess when you toss a
granede at the enemy that's really bad.
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On 21 Aug 2004 05:31:31 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

He has every right to express his
opinion.

In my opinion he made himself look like a liar in his attempt to fool the
public at the time.
Facts:
Kerry said he and others committed atrocities which consisted of:
1. Firing in free fire zones. DUH, well that's what you do in a free fire
zone.
2. Participated in harrassment and interdiction fire. That's a common
military tactic which consisted in Vietnam of firing shells during the night at
known VC supply trails. Nothing wrong with that. We spent every night on the
destroyer I was on doing the same thing.
3. Shooting the enemy with 50 cal. machine guns. When your being shot at you
shoot back with whatever you have. I don't get that. I guess when you toss a
granede at the enemy that's really bad.
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The one relevant fact left out of the new smear ad against Kerry
quoting his testimony about Viet Nam is that he made clear, in HIS
testimony, that he was repeating the testimony of others. He wasn't
making the claims, he was repeating the charges.

His original testimony began with the phrase..."they said". That was
conveniently ommitted from the Lying Republican Swift Boat Vets ad.
They made it appear that he was the source of the charges, when he
wasn't.

Kerry was trying to stop the war. In case you weren't around, so were
most Americans by the 1970s. He was trying to put an end to that sad
chapter in our history and his efforts probably saved Americans and
Vietnamese if the war was shortened by one day.

Face it. He went, he served, he was right and this new ad is as
dishonest as the last. If you enjoy beling lied to, vote Republican.

His original testimony began with the phrase..."they said". That was
conveniently ommitted from the Lying Republican Swift Boat Vets ad.
They made it appear that he was the source of the charges, when he
wasn't.

I've listened to complete recordings and Kerry says "I did this or that"
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On 21 Aug 2004 21:38:46 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

His original testimony began with the phrase..."they said". That was
conveniently ommitted from the Lying Republican Swift Boat Vets ad.
They made it appear that he was the source of the charges, when he
wasn't.

I've listened to complete recordings and Kerry says "I did this or that"
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Allow me to refresh your failing memory:



"Kerry’s 1971 Testimony Was Relating the Stories He Heard From Fellow
Vietnam Veterans—Incidents Which Have Been Openly Admitted &
Investigated Since.

Kerry Spoke About Testimony He Had Heard From Vietnam Veterans. “I
would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that
several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over
150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans
testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated
incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full
awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to
describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in
the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences
in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what
this country, in a sense, made them do.” – John Kerry [Senate Foreign
Relations Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

In 1971 Kerry Condemned America’s Political & Military Leadership—Not
His Fellow Veterans

Kerry’s Testimony Was an Indictment of America’s Political Leadership
Not Fellow Veterans.

We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are
the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to
ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatric and so many others.
Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have
returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and
there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they
never leave their wounded. The Marines say they never leave even their
dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a
pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of
their reputation bleaching behind them in the sun in this country.” –
John Kerry [Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

Kerry Believed Responsibility Did Not Lie With Veterans. Mr. Kerry: My
feeling, Senator, on Lieutenant Calley is what he did quite obviously
was a horrible, horrible, horrible thing and I have no bone to pick
with the fact that he was prosecuted. But I think that in this
question you have to separate guilt from responsibility, and I think
clearly the responsibility for what has happened there lies elsewhere.
I think it lies with the men who designed free fire zones. I think it
lies with the men who encourage body counts. [Senate Foreign Relations
Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

Allow me to refresh your failing memory:.

Excuse me but my memory is not failing. Kerry has stated " I committed those
same atrocities"
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Thank god for John McCain. Even he's so sick of the crap
(the same crap Bush pulled on him), that he's asked Dubya
to disavow the SFFT. So far, Bush hasn't done it.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Allow me to refresh your failing memory:.

Excuse me but my memory is not failing. Kerry has stated " I committed
those
same atrocities"
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