"Capt. Mooron" wrote

My experience is that
| women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.

Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want
it in
the first hour of the date.


Different bait.

No, Bart It's not emotional. I listen to all this when my employees,
mostly young women, come and relate their tales of woe to me. And you
cannot determine a possibility of a long term relationship on a first date.
There are too many variables. My opinions come from vast experience with
young women (and older women) who relate their situations to me in he course
of my job. I make my assertions from the vast compendium of information you
have provided about yourself and your relationships from women. I have
read, I have analyzed, and I have drawn my conclusions. And that is a
logical thought process. You know a lot about boats. You know nothing
about women.
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
There you go jumping to conclusions. Katy, you are the perfect
example of a woman that does not use logical thinking. You
react emotionally to everything. Take yourself out of the picture
when you consider my comments. They are not directed at you.

Who said anything about a first date? My policy is high standards
and low expectations. I don't expect anything. And why do you
assume I chose women of little virtue? I assume what you call
virtue is what I call quality.

What is virtue anyway? Is a woman virtuous when she doesn't have
sex on the first date with a man she thinks could be a long term
possibility, while the same woman jumps into bed with another man
for a one night stand? If that is the case, then few women are virtuous
and if they are, it is only because their fathers kept them locked up.
Also, is a woman virtuous when she doesn't sleep with a man on the
first date, but has thousands of second dates? I think not!

Women need partners. I'm not like that. I'd rather be alone if I can't
find someone special. Also, I respect women who have sex with me on
the first date--because I'm overly selective. To get that far with me,
means
the woman is very high quality--smart, professional, good looking, and
well
balanced. At my age, chances are she wants to have sex on the first date,
and I'm the one holding back because I ate or drank too much at dinner.

I feel it is important to set the tone of the relationship as physical not
platonic, immediately. My experience is that if things don't get hot by
the second date, it never does.

I typically only date women college graduates with professional jobs. I
don't mind if a woman has children provided the children don't make
dating impossible, and the woman is a good mother. I don't date flaky
women, and I won't pick a woman is too needy, who wants me to adopt
her children, or has huge financial or emotional problems. This
eliminates
the bulk of the women out there.

Back to your comments. I've not at all surprised women vacillate and play
games, since women are not decisive decision makers. It's important for
men to set limits and boundaries for women, because women always test
boundaries with men. Women want to see what they can get away with.
It is part of their decision making process. If they don't get enough of
what
they want, they pick another man who allows them more freedom or control.

When I was young I pursued women, as many as possible, in the hopes of
finding just one. I'd spend a fortune dating with a poor return on
investment.
When women are young, after spending all their money on cloths, they seem
to
feel it is their right to use men financially. The traditional date is to
take a woman
out to dinner. Many single women use men as open wallets for free dinners
--dating for food not companionship. Many years ago, I grew tired of
this
and
decided I'd rather take my friends out for dinner instead.

At age 48, it's role reversal. Women my age that are unattached, are
still
near
their sexual peak and desperate to find a man. To meet men, women join
clubs,
travel, take men out to dinner, and use all the methods I used when I was
young
to meet women.

Games are an interesting topic. Here is my definition and how I view
them.

Games are manipulations that work towards a hidden agenda.

This is common in women. Because men are physically stronger, more
confident and thus more direct, they are less likely to play games. Women
are weaker physically, and compensate for this by using their "feminine
wiles"
which is basically a combination of deception and sex.

Women accuse men of playing games, when the men don't follow the
woman's unstated master plan. The big problem with a woman stating her
plan is that it's a trump card and once played either wins or ends the
relationship. It is far better for the women to lead the man down the
garden path--indirectly. So women avoid being direct and play games
instead. They test and probe for limits and quickly back off when they
have gone too far. And they complain when the men don't do what
they want them to do.

In my case, when a woman pushes past certain boundaries, I drop her.
Perhaps that is overly harsh of me, given that I know women often test
boundaries. I feel it is important to let them know the consequences of
pushing too far.

When a woman tells me she doesn't like game players, I immediately
know two things. First, that she herself is a game player, and second,
the men she dates do not follow her master plan. So I start to wonder
what it is about her that is causing her plan to fail. There is either a
psychological, financial, physical, or a combination of these reasons why
she is not achieving her goals.

I would not call my "10 pm strategy" a game. There is nothing hidden about
it. I don't use it much any more, since the women I date these days are
older, know what they want, and pursue me aggressively. None of them
are virgins, so none of them are "virtuous". They ask me out, travel
great
distances to date me, often buy me dinner, want to spend more time with
me than I have to spare, and try real hard to make me happy.

I wish I had more time to date--I like the attention. My focus is working
on the boat, and I'd rather put my spare money into HOOT and ECHO than
buy expensive dinners.

"katysails" wrote
Bart,
Gamesmanship is all that is...something that many guys accuse women of
playing....Any woman that would putr out upon the first date without
some
sort of other relationship there in the first place is, in my mind's
eye,
a
person of little virtue. You obviously like women of little virtue, so
why
are you surprised when they vacillate and play games? Of what you're
looking for is a one or two or whatever night's stand, then your game is
valid...if you're looking for something longer term, you ain't gonna
find
it...

Bart,
Do women a favor and stay away from them. They don't need you.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bart Senior wrote:
There you go jumping to conclusions. Katy, you are the perfect
example of a woman that does not use logical thinking. You
react emotionally to everything. Take yourself out of the picture
when you consider my comments. They are not directed at you.

Are you trying to sound like Reagan?

Women need partners. I'm not like that. I'd rather be alone if I can't
find someone special. Also, I respect women who have sex with me on
the first date--because I'm overly selective. To get that far with me,
means the woman is very high quality--smart, professional, good
looking, and well balanced. At my age, chances are she wants to have
sex on the first date, and I'm the one holding back because I ate or
drank too much at dinner.

All people need partners, not just women. Just because you're alone
doesn't mean you don't want a partner. In fact, you go on and on about
it later in your post.

I feel it is important to set the tone of the relationship as physical
not
platonic, immediately. My experience is that if things don't get hot by
the second date, it never does.

Total bs. You must have limited experience. My experience is that
women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date. They
want to believe you're interested in more than getting laid.

I typically only date women college graduates with professional jobs. I
don't mind if a woman has children provided the children don't make
dating impossible, and the woman is a good mother. I don't date flaky
women, and I won't pick a woman is too needy, who wants me to adopt
her children, or has huge financial or emotional problems. This
eliminates
the bulk of the women out there.

Nothing new or interesting here. I think most women don't want a man
to be too needy or have a lot of baggage.

Back to your comments. I've not at all surprised women vacillate and
play
games, since women are not decisive decision makers. It's important for
men to set limits and boundaries for women, because women always test
boundaries with men. Women want to see what they can get away with.
It is part of their decision making process. If they don't get enough of
what they want, they pick another man who allows them more freedom or
control.

Total bs. How about Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, the list goes
on an on. Sounds like you're never going to find anyone with this
attitude, other than some bimbo who doesn't have a brain.

When I was young I pursued women, as many as possible, in the hopes of
finding just one. I'd spend a fortune dating with a poor return on
investment.

More likely, you pursued women to get laid and when it didn't work
out, you blamed them. Your expectations were too high. How about just
meeting a women, having a good time with minimal pressure to do
anything or have anything "happen."

When women are young, after spending all their money on cloths, they seem
to
feel it is their right to use men financially. The traditional date is
to
take a woman out to dinner. Many single women use men as open
wallets for free dinners --dating for food not companionship. Many
years ago, I grew tired of this and decided I'd rather take my
friends out for dinner instead.

Also bs. I've known women young and old who would spend all their
money or not spend much at all on clothes or want to or not want to
use men financially.

The traditional date is to treat a woman or anyone with respect,
listen to what they have to say, engage them in interesting
conversation, or just have fun.

At age 48, it's role reversal. Women my age that are unattached, are
still
near their sexual peak and desperate to find a man. To meet men, women
join
clubs, travel, take men out to dinner, and use all the methods I used
when I was
young to meet women.

Suddenly, upon reaching middle age, the hedonistic, female narrcisits
suddenly reform? Or, are they now the sexual predators? I think you're
confused.

Games are an interesting topic. Here is my definition and how I view
them.

Games are manipulations that work towards a hidden agenda.

This is common in women. Because men are physically stronger, more
confident and thus more direct, they are less likely to play games.
Women
are weaker physically, and compensate for this by using their "feminine
wiles" which is basically a combination of deception and sex.

Total bs again. Men play just as many games. They're just not as good
at it.

Women accuse men of playing games, when the men don't follow the
woman's unstated master plan. The big problem with a woman stating her
plan is that it's a trump card and once played either wins or ends the
relationship. It is far better for the women to lead the man down the
garden path--indirectly. So women avoid being direct and play games
instead. They test and probe for limits and quickly back off when they
have gone too far. And they complain when the men don't do what
they want them to do.

Sounds to me like you're pretty bitter. You need to get past it.

In my case, when a woman pushes past certain boundaries, I drop her.
Perhaps that is overly harsh of me, given that I know women often test
boundaries. I feel it is important to let them know the consequences of
pushing too far.

This is called unwilling to play, so you take your marbles and go
home. Why does it have to be a negative game? Why can't it be a fun
game. There's no telling where it'll lead.

When a woman tells me she doesn't like game players, I immediately
know two things. First, that she herself is a game player, and second,
the men she dates do not follow her master plan. So I start to wonder
what it is about her that is causing her plan to fail. There is either a
psychological, financial, physical, or a combination of these reasons why
she is not achieving her goals.

I think you're deluding yourself. In your opinion, it's not possible
for her to actually be telling the truth. Maybe, more likely, she senses
that you're into your own game playing and is getting nervous about
it.

I would not call my "10 pm strategy" a game. There is nothing hidden
about
it. I don't use it much any more, since the women I date these days are
older, know what they want, and pursue me aggressively. None of them
are virgins, so none of them are "virtuous". They ask me out, travel
great
distances to date me, often buy me dinner, want to spend more time with
me than I have to spare, and try real hard to make me happy.

Virtue has nothing whatever to do with being a virgin. By definition:

Moral excellence and righteousness; goodness.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

The other one...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh, sorry. Which one was it then?

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I wasn't at that particular experience....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Lady Pilot" wrote

Hardly...

Scotty, if you want some more points, write a detailed
report--unless the experience was not worth recording.

Hey, watch yourself! That wasn't nice.

Don't worry, I never tell.

'K ;-)

Hey, if you don't believe me, just ask Katy, she'll verify it.

SV

"katysails" wrote ...
My opinions come from vast experience with
young women (and older women)

Kewl!

That one was even better.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
The other one...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh, sorry. Which one was it then?

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I wasn't at that particular experience....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Lady Pilot" wrote

Hardly...

Scotty, if you want some more points, write a detailed
report--unless the experience was not worth recording.

Hey, watch yourself! That wasn't nice.

Don't worry, I never tell.

'K ;-)

Hey, if you don't believe me, just ask Katy, she'll verify it.

SV

Capt. Mooron wrote:



My experience is that
| women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.

Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want it in
the first hour of the date.


Are the Moose on heat again?

Cheers

But to enjoy them for more than a few minutes you need to understand them.

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

WOW... bet you got them lined up and waiting with that ploy.

Seriously..... you are wasting your time trying to understand a woman. They
were designed to be enjoyed!

CM


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
| I think you should keep your points katy. Otherwise you'd be
| pointless.
|
| LP is 1800 miles away from me. I don't think points will help.
|
| ******************
|
| This is my "modern man's guide to dating". What do you think of
| this katy?
|
| Since women can't make up their minds, and say no when they mean
| yes, and yes when they mean no, a man has to be able to figure out
| what a woman wants by her actions.
|
| I don't like to stay up late persuading a woman to get friendly with me.
| I use the "default method" of forcing women to make a decision.
|
| I warn the ladies very early in our date, that I turn into a werewolf at
| 10 pm, and I'm not responsible for my actions after 10 pm. Next I
| ask them what time they want the date to end. I treat it like a
countdown,
| and give them hourly reminders. I make a joke of strongly recommending
| they end the date early. The more I urge them to call it quits early, the
| more they look forward to 10 pm.
|
| Most women like it, because they don't have to say anything, they
| just giggle and squirm in their seats, and their whole attitude changes.
| It gives them something to think about. And we both look forward to
| 10 pm.
|
| Sometimes the woman will politely decline, or make up some bogus
| reason why she has to be in early. It's better for me because I won't
| waste as much time or money and I'll get fresher start on the next day.
|
| Bart
|
| "katysails" wrote
|
| Of that was only because I thought Bart had some nefarious scheme going
| on...I was going to donate my points only because I thought his
intentions
| were dishonorable...I have since realized that Bart is an honorable
| person... I renege.....
|
| "Lady Pilot" wrote
|
| "katysails" wrote:
|
| No way, chickie
|
| chickie? I don't live in Novia Scotia! ;-)
|
| ...I EARNED those points...Bart just didn't give them to me
| haphazardly....I treasure each and every one of them.
|
| Yeah, but I thought I read somewhere that you were thinking of
donating
| your
| points to me. Let me google my memory...
|
| Yes, here it is:
|
|
|
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...0uni-berlin.de
|
| You said and I quote: "I think I be donating my points to LP...."
|
| I guess you changed your mind. That's okay though, your a woman. g
|
| LP
|
| Just because Scotty
| wants to share his point with you has nothing to do with mine....
| "Lady Pilot" wrote in message
| news:ywVWc.1862$gl.752@okepread07...
| Only one point? What a cheapskate you are! ;-)
|
| I think I should have more points than that! After all, I been
| sleeping
| with them under my pillow!
|
| Thanks to Scotty for giving me his points. And thanks to
Katysails,
| if
| she
| ever decided to give me her points...
|
| LP
|
|
| "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| . net...
| One lash for Mooron for asking me to award points.
|
| One point for LP for answering correctly, albeit, a
| hen frigate is also a ship where the wife of the Captain
| makes the passage with him. In general, having a woman
| on board made the men behave better not worse.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
|
| Bingo Darlin'.... you got it right! ;-)
| I knew you were sailing stock!
|
| "Lady Pilot" wrote
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote:
| | What is a "Hen Frigate" ???
| |
| | Hen Frigate - a vessel on which a woman is permitted to
| interfere
| with
| the
| | orderly conduct and passage of the ship.
| |
| | LP
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
|
|
| My experience is that
| | women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.
|
| Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want it
in
| the first hour of the date.
|
|
| Are the Moose on heat again?

You poor, desperate sod... look I'll exlain it in a 'formula' so you can
understand...
Where as :
Angle of the Dangle = E
Heat of the Meat = P
Measure of the Pleasure = C

E x P = C

Okay Now... run along and get your viagra and a hooker... make us a "Free
Body Diagram" of the results... Okay? :-P

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
|
|
| My experience is that
| | women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.
|
| Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want it
in
| the first hour of the date.
|
|
| Are the Moose on heat again?

You poor, desperate sod... look I'll exlain it in a 'formula' so you can
understand...
Where as :
Angle of the Dangle = E
Heat of the Meat = P
Measure of the Pleasure = C

E x P = C

Okay Now... run along and get your viagra and a hooker... make us a "Free
Body Diagram" of the results... Okay? :-P


Please explain how can I make a "free body diagram" with a hooker? Are
you suggesting I rip her off? Shame on you. Now tell us just how hot are
those Moose -we'll guess your angle!

:-P

Cheers

1 point CM for a particularly funny riposte.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

"Nav" wrote

| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| My experience is that
| | women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.
|
| Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want it
in
| the first hour of the date.
|
|
| Are the Moose on heat again?

You poor, desperate sod... look I'll exlain it in a 'formula' so you can
understand...
Where as :
Angle of the Dangle = E
Heat of the Meat = P
Measure of the Pleasure = C

E x P = C

Okay Now... run along and get your viagra and a hooker... make us a "Free
Body Diagram" of the results... Okay? :-P

CM

really trying to follow this tread
well...............not really.

4 dates!
your kidding right?

moose are hot items in canada?
nah.......... can't be.............

you guys really don't get out often.

women are fun for all kinds of reasons........
highly reccomend you go for a test drive today.

gf.
..


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Capt. Mooron wrote:



My experience is that
| women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date.

Well... I must be in Hell... because most girls I go out with want it
in
the first hour of the date.


Are the Moose on heat again?

Cheers

I know more about women than boats. In fact, I know more
about women than women do. Women don't begin to understand
themselves until they hit 40 or so, and being to acquire reasoning
capabilities.

And you do react emotionally. All your jumping to conclusions is
concrete proof.

"katysails" wrote

No, Bart It's not emotional. I listen to all this when my employees,
mostly young women, come and relate their tales of woe to me. And you
cannot determine a possibility of a long term relationship on a first
date.
There are too many variables. My opinions come from vast experience with
young women (and older women) who relate their situations to me in he
course
of my job. I make my assertions from the vast compendium of information
you
have provided about yourself and your relationships from women. I have
read, I have analyzed, and I have drawn my conclusions. And that is a
logical thought process. You know a lot about boats. You know nothing
about women.

There are women that don't need men. You are right about that.

It's funny, the "independent women" I date, who talk loudly about
how important independence is to them, subsequently "freak-out"
when I don't follow their master plan. They want independence, career,
a equal "70/30" partnership, and puppet of a man. These women end
up living alone and miserable because the deal they offer men is not
attractive. I'm sure they don't understand what men really need.

On the other end of the spectrum are women who have screwed their
marriages and families--if they ever were married, and are smart enough
to realize they need a man for financial support, for themselves and their
kids. Such women will take literally any man, because he offers them a
means to bail them out of a bad situation, like a house about to be
foreclosed. Such women are willing to go to any lengths to catch a man.
I can't count the number of women I've met like this. Men do not find
such women appealing.

I'm straight up and kind enough to let such women know, right away, that
such a deal in not interesting to me. Can you guess the sort of counter
offers I get? These women know what a man really needs but the price
for it is too high.

Most women do need men, and fall somewhere in between these two
extremes. Older women, like younger men, have huge sexual appetites.
A woman's need for a man is, for many reasons, stronger than a man's
need for a woman.

Use your brain katy. Stop thinking emotionally.

"katysails" wrote

Bart,
Do women a favor and stay away from them. They don't need you.

You are delusional. And quite frankly, emotional is not an adjective that
describes me....I am a fairly stoic individual...not quite "the ice queen".
but almost....
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
There are women that don't need men. You are right about that.

It's funny, the "independent women" I date, who talk loudly about
how important independence is to them, subsequently "freak-out"
when I don't follow their master plan. They want independence, career,
a equal "70/30" partnership, and puppet of a man. These women end
up living alone and miserable because the deal they offer men is not
attractive. I'm sure they don't understand what men really need.

On the other end of the spectrum are women who have screwed their
marriages and families--if they ever were married, and are smart enough
to realize they need a man for financial support, for themselves and their
kids. Such women will take literally any man, because he offers them a
means to bail them out of a bad situation, like a house about to be
foreclosed. Such women are willing to go to any lengths to catch a man.
I can't count the number of women I've met like this. Men do not find
such women appealing.

I'm straight up and kind enough to let such women know, right away, that
such a deal in not interesting to me. Can you guess the sort of counter
offers I get? These women know what a man really needs but the price
for it is too high.

Most women do need men, and fall somewhere in between these two
extremes. Older women, like younger men, have huge sexual appetites.
A woman's need for a man is, for many reasons, stronger than a man's
need for a woman.

Use your brain katy. Stop thinking emotionally.

"katysails" wrote

Bart,
Do women a favor and stay away from them. They don't need you.

Like I said, I am not jumping to conclusions but making educated remarks
based on the drivel you post regarding women. You provide the material, I
provide the analysis. Quite frankly, your pursuing the conversation,
justifying your conclusions, and wanting to "win" is more emotional, and by
your own definition, "woman-like". You will also notice that through this
whole conversation, I have not made any attack on men in general...not
because I couldn't, wouldn't, or shouldn't, but because it's a moot point
with you. You would accept nothing I have to say no the subject because I
am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having sex
with them.
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I know more about women than boats. In fact, I know more
about women than women do. Women don't begin to understand
themselves until they hit 40 or so, and being to acquire reasoning
capabilities.

And you do react emotionally. All your jumping to conclusions is
concrete proof.

"katysails" wrote

No, Bart It's not emotional. I listen to all this when my employees,
mostly young women, come and relate their tales of woe to me. And you
cannot determine a possibility of a long term relationship on a first
date.
There are too many variables. My opinions come from vast experience
with
young women (and older women) who relate their situations to me in he
course
of my job. I make my assertions from the vast compendium of information
you
have provided about yourself and your relationships from women. I have
read, I have analyzed, and I have drawn my conclusions. And that is a
logical thought process. You know a lot about boats. You know nothing
about women.

Why then do I have so many platonic female friends?

"katysails" wrote

am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having
sex
with them.

"Bart Senior" wrote ...
I know more about women than boats.

You poor, poor fellow.

SV

You would accept nothing I have to say no the subject because I
am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having sex
with them.


And if that's the case Bart is a more honest and trustworthy person than most
women.

RB

"katysails" wrote in message
| ...not quite "the ice queen".
| but almost....

Oops!... you read that post then?

CM

When a man, sailing alone on the ocean, speaks--is he still wrong?

This joke reflects the whole nature of women. They blame the man
even if it is perfectly clear he has done nothing wrong, because the
woman is really looking for something else--acknowledgement,
reassurance, comfort, security.

It doesn't bother me that women are deceptive and manipulative.
That is the edge they use to balance the equation with men.

If a man reveals he is not taken in by a woman's "feminine wiles",
she gets mad, like katy, and comes up with a lame reason to
blame the man. He's wrong. Just like katy makes herself believe
that I'm wrong.

If a woman's deception and manipulation don't work, then she has
fewer tools to get what she wants--it upsets the balance of the
equation. No wonder this makes them mad!

If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger. katy doesn't
like the message, so she shoots me. Of course it makes no logical
sense, but she feels better. It's a gut level emotional reaction.

It is no wonder men tend keep their thoughts to themselves,
because logical discussions don't work with emotional women.

Women care about communication when it serves to give them
clues to manipulate their man better. They don't want to hear
anything else.


You would accept nothing I have to say no the subject because I
am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having
sex
with them.

"Bobsprit" wrote
And if that's the case Bart is a more honest and trustworthy person than
most
women.

RB

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
When a man, sailing alone on the ocean, speaks--is he still wrong?

Bart,
yes: if you have a cell phone and an ex wife, the answer just arrives
sooner.
the decision then becomes a question of whether to keep sailing your course
or head out to meet that cute blonde at the next port.
gee....that's a tough one.
that's when the autopilot, along with the cell phone, come in real handy.
after a long day of sailing, you set your course, and phone for dinner
reservations.
the gps is also useful: you mark 'x' as a "weigh point" and track the
distance gained.
the log than becomes critical to determine if you're about to break your own
distance / speed record.

god i love my boat!

damn is that my phone again...........landfall is inevitable

gf

In article ,
Bart Senior wrote:
When a man, sailing alone on the ocean, speaks--is he still wrong?

This joke reflects the whole nature of women. They blame the man
even if it is perfectly clear he has done nothing wrong, because the
woman is really looking for something else--acknowledgement,
reassurance, comfort, security.

When a woman says no, does she really mean yes?

This isn't a joke, but men continually think it is or there's some
doubt.

It doesn't bother me that women are deceptive and manipulative.
That is the edge they use to balance the equation with men.

Yes, actually it's pretty obvious that it does bother you.

If a man reveals he is not taken in by a woman's "feminine wiles",
she gets mad, like katy, and comes up with a lame reason to
blame the man. He's wrong. Just like katy makes herself believe
that I'm wrong.

Why do you use the word "reveals?" Is this something you're hiding?
What's wrong with playing the small game of being taken in by her
"wiles," even though both people know it's not really true. That's a
much more positive way to interact.

If a woman's deception and manipulation don't work, then she has
fewer tools to get what she wants--it upsets the balance of the
equation. No wonder this makes them mad!

Yeh, she's left with her brains, which are equal or greater than a
man's.

If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger. katy doesn't
like the message, so she shoots me. Of course it makes no logical
sense, but she feels better. It's a gut level emotional reaction.

You've been doing that with your posts.

It is no wonder men tend keep their thoughts to themselves,
because logical discussions don't work with emotional women.

Some men. Some men who aren't comfortable expressing themselves in a
cogent and intelligent way when around women.

Women care about communication when it serves to give them
clues to manipulate their man better. They don't want to hear
anything else.

Seems familiar to what you've been posting about yourself.
You don't want to listen.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

I have no idea....because they don't feel safe having any other type of
relationship with you?
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
Why then do I have so many platonic female friends?

"katysails" wrote

am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having
sex
with them.

Bart, I am not mad. I am telling you forthrightly what I;;ve observed. You
keep carrying on in this emotional way, explaining and re-explaining,
justifying and carrying on...give it a rest or someone's going to start
accusing you of being a woman.
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
When a man, sailing alone on the ocean, speaks--is he still wrong?

This joke reflects the whole nature of women. They blame the man
even if it is perfectly clear he has done nothing wrong, because the
woman is really looking for something else--acknowledgement,
reassurance, comfort, security.

It doesn't bother me that women are deceptive and manipulative.
That is the edge they use to balance the equation with men.

If a man reveals he is not taken in by a woman's "feminine wiles",
she gets mad, like katy, and comes up with a lame reason to
blame the man. He's wrong. Just like katy makes herself believe
that I'm wrong.

If a woman's deception and manipulation don't work, then she has
fewer tools to get what she wants--it upsets the balance of the
equation. No wonder this makes them mad!

If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger. katy doesn't
like the message, so she shoots me. Of course it makes no logical
sense, but she feels better. It's a gut level emotional reaction.

It is no wonder men tend keep their thoughts to themselves,
because logical discussions don't work with emotional women.

Women care about communication when it serves to give them
clues to manipulate their man better. They don't want to hear
anything else.


You would accept nothing I have to say no the subject because I
am a woman. Face it, Bart. You don't like women. You just like having
sex
with them.

"Bobsprit" wrote
And if that's the case Bart is a more honest and trustworthy person than
most
women.

RB

huh?
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
| ...not quite "the ice queen".
| but almost....

Oops!... you read that post then?

CM

never mind...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
| huh?
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "katysails" wrote in message
| | ...not quite "the ice queen".
| | but almost....
|
| Oops!... you read that post then?
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

When a woman says no, does she really mean yes?


"No means maybe."


RB