The filters looked ok, I changed them anyway.

There was air in the lines.

"Scott Vernon" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote ...
It didn't run at all until I changed the filters and bleed the
system.

Because the filters were clogged, or you had air in the system?
If the filters were clogged, the new one may have restriction already.
Did you inspect the rubber gasket? Do you have 2 fuel filters?

SV

I'll bet it's either the fuel pump or else the return line. Either
of those fits the circumstances.

DSK wrote in message ...
Scout wrote:
Why would the return line cause it to lose fuel when you open the throttle?
If the purpose of the return line is to return unused fuel to the tank,
theoretically there is less fuel passing through it as you open the throttle
up.

Not necessarily. With a Detroit, yes, but other types of injector
systems do it differently. With our diesel (Ford Lehman) for example
there is almost no return at idle, the return flow seems to be
proportional to throttle setting (although it jumps when the load changes).

I find that very strange Doug. I have a Ford Bowman and have a very
strong return even at idle. Also have a very neat system to bleed the
system of air.
Its a tank mounted above the fuel system that has a capasity of the
whole fuel system. If I get air in the system it get trapped in this
tank above everything else. On top of the tank is a valve for purging
out all the air. It's great for removing all the air induced while
changing filters off shore in a rocking boat. My return is just as
strong at idle as it is at full throttle. I have a simms fuel pump
what do you have? Perhaps the Bowman conversation is just far better
and stouter than your lehman conversion.

Joe





A blocked return line could cause the engine to die but it would be more
likely to surge or be unresponsive to throttle first (disclaimer- I am
not an expert diesel mechanic and never played one on TV)

Your advice about checking the filter again even though its new is right
on. Say Bart do you have a vacuum gage on the filter outlet?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote in message ...
Scout wrote:
Why would the return line cause it to lose fuel when you open the throttle?
If the purpose of the return line is to return unused fuel to the tank,
theoretically there is less fuel passing through it as you open the throttle
up.

Not necessarily. With a Detroit, yes, but other types of injector
systems do it differently. With our diesel (Ford Lehman) for example
there is almost no return at idle, the return flow seems to be
proportional to throttle setting (although it jumps when the load changes).


I find that weird Doug, I have a Ford Bowman and the return is just as
strong at Idle as it is a full throttle. My Bowman conversion has a
Simms fuel pump what do you have on your Ford?

Perhaps it is because Leamans or not as stout and well built as the
Bowman conversions;)

Joe



A blocked return line could cause the engine to die but it would be more
likely to surge or be unresponsive to throttle first (disclaimer- I am
not an expert diesel mechanic and never played one on TV)

Your advice about checking the filter again even though its new is right
on. Say Bart do you have a vacuum gage on the filter outlet?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Bart Senior" wrote in message . net...
I put it on because I had trouble bleeding the system.

Here is what you do.

Mount a tank in the fuel system between the pump and the rack. Make
sure the that the tank is higher than the rest of the system.

Make sure the tank will hold an equal volume as the whole system. If
any air gets into the system it will bubble up in this tank. The tank
has a valve on top to bleed air off when you start the engine. I have
a clear hose going from the top of my tank to a day tank for the gen
set, if you do not have a day tank for your gen set use any fuel
container to catch bubbled up fuel.

Its great and works perfectly!

Joe






I've found that it was damn hard to bleed the system with
either a hand pump or electric. Later I found it was easy to
bleed the system with a little gravity assist.

I was planning on pulling it off anyway. I'd already clipped the
wires and the next step was to pull the pump.


"Joe" wrote

create a loop for the pump only if you must have one. Make it where
you can isolate the pump out of the system when not in use. Everyone I
know who did what you did has the same proble trying to suck fuel thru
a electrical pump without it on.

Why do you even need a pump besides the one on your engine?

"Maxprop" wrote in message . net...
"katysails" wrote in message

Give me a break....us damn Yankees secure our furling after every
use....we
have storms with 70 mph straight line winds that shred gennies right off
the
furler if they're not tied up....those are just plain dumb people...

According to the weather service, Katy, those you were referring to were
roughly 100mph straight line winds. Our ketch was heeled 45 degrees over in
her slip under bare poles.

Max

Damn...Must be a nimble Ketch. At 110 knots we get a 10-15 degree heel max.

Joe

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

I do the same thing here Mooron. Mostley stinkboats. One trawler guy
gave me a crisp new 100 dollar bill. I told him I did not want it,
thats what you do for other boaters, he said if I did not take it he
would just toss it in the water. So I accepted it.

Then there are the cigarboat assholes. I secured about 5 floating
dock boxes full of gear before they made it to open water, not one of
the owners said thanks, and one of them with his stuck up slut gave me
dirty looks, acted ****ed off about it. Next time I plan to shoot
holes in them before they can bump into my boat. I think they would of
rather filed an highly inflated insurance claim.

Joe







I often wondered during hurricane Juan last year if it wasn't better just to
scuttle the damn boats that belonged to ignorant, inexperienced owners...
rather than allow them to become hazards to the vessels properly secured.

Cripes... on my boat I stripped every piece of loose cloth, dodger, rail
cloths, sails and gear from the decks and placed two anchors with major
chafe gear at 45 degrees to my mooring. I secured and stripped 5 other
vessels... the owners hadn't bothered coming out to do it themselves.

4 of the 5 thanked me profusely and purchased beer and rum for me. The 5th
never showed for the entire season.... I heard he had died on vacation and
his widow was housebound in grief.

3 vessels tore their moorings... all behind me because I secured all vessels
within what I believed was a striking perimeter. Those boats that tore
loose hit , damaged and/or sank 4 others. Of course nobody got blamed but
the insurance premiums went way up... for all of us!

Overproof suffered no damage at all. I dove to free the tangled mess of rode
and anchor.

You either rise to the challenge or get swamped by the results.

CM



"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
| These are people who probably don't know how to sail. If they
| learned on small boats they would understand how powerful the
| wind really is.
|
| "DSK" wrote
|
| The marina was well prepared, except for a few stupid people who did not
| take down their roller furled genoas... I climbed aboard two and added a
| set of securing hitches, one with the owner standing there telling me
| the whole time that he didn't need it, didn't want it, and I better come
| back right after the storm and get it off of there. This is what a I
| call a damn Yankee. Other people secured biminis & roller furlers for
| people who either couldn't or wouldn't take them off themselves.

| One of these bozos said to me, "The predicted wind is only 60 knots or
| less, that's not going to be a problem." I told him that 1- less than 60
| knots could shred his bimini, yank his genoa off it's furler and dismast
| him, as well as causing major damage to boats around him (this last
| being my own concern) and 2- there was a good possibility of tornados.
| This guy also has dock lines that look like old ratty clothesline.. the
| marina dockmaster had to loan him some real lines.
|
|
|

Ya Reb Cracker....


I love that term... "Cracker"

CM

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
| Bart Senior wrote:
| I don't think I've met a Southerner that was stupid and
| mean. I have to admit as a group, they rate about the
| best in the US.
|
| Thanks. I am a Southerner and am proud of it. Cultural differences are
| being erased in this country, partly because of mass media and partly
| because of everybody moving around so much.
|
| There certainly are mean-spirited and/or stupid and/or dishonest
| Sotherners, just like among any other people... we try to weed them out
| early though ;) Some cultural anthropologists studying the matter have
| identified a number of characteristics of Southerners, the main two are
| generosity and sense of honor. This doesn't necessarily mean that
| Southerners are more honest or have better families, just that we get
| PO'd if you insult them!
|
| Speaking of which, this guy is a hoot... genuine PhD and Southerner...
| used to write a column for the local paper until it was bought up by a
| Yankee franchise...
| http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/REED/tears.html
|
|
| DSK
|

Dunno about truck stops, but most Waffle Houses do!

DSK

Waffle Houses are great...exce[t for the cholesterol....and are there really
people that drink unsweet tea????yech.....
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Ya Reb Cracker....

Doug doesn't live in Georgia....

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Do all 'Crackers" hail from Georgia??

CM


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| Ya Reb Cracker....
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| Doug doesn't live in Georgia....
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