And shatter into a thousand pieces if to broach and chinese gybe in a
gale.

Hasn't happened to my Quick Vang. We've done a couple of pole in the water
auto jibes with the chute up with no damage.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

My friend designed a boom brake and later designed a
hydraulic vang and the boom broke. Now he has a boom
brake and a broke boom!

What brands of rigid vangs do you like?

I'm trying to decide on one, or else I'll make a big rope
boom vang.

OzOne wrote

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:00:12 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Do you have personal experience with this Oz?

Yep!
Though it was quite a while ago.
We worked out that the lack of shock absorbtion in the system was
causing problems with cracking booms and eventually an exploded vang.

I believe that the newer systems have overcome this.

OzOne wrote
On 15 Aug 2004 00:29:13 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) scribbled
thusly:
They want the rigging company to try one, the price through
them was way inexpensive. . . .so . .why not? Be a new
experience..

Raises the boom in light air, eliminates the toping lift AND looks
cool.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

And shatter into a thousand pieces if to broach and chinese gybe in a
gale.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

We use a rope vang on the Yamaha 30. One nice advantage is
that you can release the foot and use the vang as a preventer
by attaching it to the toe rail.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..
My friend designed a boom brake and later designed a
hydraulic vang and the boom broke. Now he has a boom
brake and a broke boom!

What brands of rigid vangs do you like?

I'm trying to decide on one, or else I'll make a big rope
boom vang.

OzOne wrote

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:00:12 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Do you have personal experience with this Oz?

Yep!
Though it was quite a while ago.
We worked out that the lack of shock absorbtion in the system was
causing problems with cracking booms and eventually an exploded vang.

I believe that the newer systems have overcome this.

OzOne wrote
On 15 Aug 2004 00:29:13 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) scribbled
thusly:
They want the rigging company to try one, the price through
them was way inexpensive. . . .so . .why not? Be a new
experience..

Raises the boom in light air, eliminates the toping lift AND looks
cool.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

And shatter into a thousand pieces if to broach and chinese gybe in a
gale.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

My friend designed a boom brake and later designed a
hydraulic vang and the boom broke. Now he has a boom
brake and a broke boom!

What brands of rigid vangs do you like?

I'm trying to decide on one, or else I'll make a big rope
boom vang.

A friend with a new Catalina 350 had what I assume was a Garhauer rigid
vang. Sailing with him several weeks ago we bent the thing by
overtightening the mainsheet. Apparently there was not enough compression
allowance in the vang to allow the boom to drop much. So Garhauer sent him
a new vang--a completely different design--with heavy machined aluminum
endpieces and what appears to be a heavier hydraulic piston assembly. Has
anyone seen this unit or had any experience with it? Looks good, but who
knows.

Max

Heh... if they have that kind of after-market responsibility... I'd buy from
them in a New York Minute.

CM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
| A friend with a new Catalina 350 had what I assume was a Garhauer rigid
| vang. Sailing with him several weeks ago we bent the thing by
| overtightening the mainsheet. Apparently there was not enough compression
| allowance in the vang to allow the boom to drop much. So Garhauer sent
him
| a new vang--a completely different design--with heavy machined aluminum
| endpieces and what appears to be a heavier hydraulic piston assembly. Has
| anyone seen this unit or had any experience with it? Looks good, but who
| knows.
|
| Max
|
|

I've looked at the Garhauer vangs. I like them.
They make great equipment that will outlast all of us.

I'm not sure of Garhauer can make one for my boat.
My main is 440 sq ft. And that could grow if I eventually
get a new main with more roach. Their biggest may not
be big enough. I'd have to call and check on that.

I'm not convinced I'd want one of their boom vangs. The
sheeting seems bulky compared with other brands.

My running backs do not interfere with my boom, so if I can
get rid of the topping lift, an unintentional tack would only chafe
the sail. That frees my topping lift halyard for a Dutchman
flaking system--not that it would not be hard to add another
halyard. So this is why I'm thinking about rigid vangs.


"Maxprop" wrote

A friend with a new Catalina 350 had what I assume was a Garhauer rigid
vang. Sailing with him several weeks ago we bent the thing by
overtightening the mainsheet. Apparently there was not enough compression
allowance in the vang to allow the boom to drop much. So Garhauer sent
him
a new vang--a completely different design--with heavy machined aluminum
endpieces and what appears to be a heavier hydraulic piston assembly. Has
anyone seen this unit or had any experience with it? Looks good, but who
knows.

Max

My boat, 17' boom, 510 sf main, came with a Forespar solid vang. If I
was ever to replace it, Garhauer would be my choice. They make one
that fits my boat, and by extension, yours.




On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:09:40 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote:

I've looked at the Garhauer vangs. I like them.
They make great equipment that will outlast all of us.

I'm not sure of Garhauer can make one for my boat.
My main is 440 sq ft. And that could grow if I eventually
get a new main with more roach. Their biggest may not
be big enough. I'd have to call and check on that.

I'm not convinced I'd want one of their boom vangs. The
sheeting seems bulky compared with other brands.

My running backs do not interfere with my boom, so if I can
get rid of the topping lift, an unintentional tack would only chafe
the sail. That frees my topping lift halyard for a Dutchman
flaking system--not that it would not be hard to add another
halyard. So this is why I'm thinking about rigid vangs.


"Maxprop" wrote

A friend with a new Catalina 350 had what I assume was a Garhauer rigid
vang. Sailing with him several weeks ago we bent the thing by
overtightening the mainsheet. Apparently there was not enough compression
allowance in the vang to allow the boom to drop much. So Garhauer sent
him
a new vang--a completely different design--with heavy machined aluminum
endpieces and what appears to be a heavier hydraulic piston assembly. Has
anyone seen this unit or had any experience with it? Looks good, but who
knows.

Max

Bart,

I know that topping lift can be a PITA but it still has a lot of
advantages over the rigid vang. Just to mention a few;

A spare and ready back stay

A man overboard hoist

An end reinforcement of the boom when you want to use it as a crane
(Dingy recovery)

Ole Thom
P/S I've used to tail as a temporary sheet while clearing an over-ride
on the main sheet wench

In fact the rigging shop said they weren't taking off the topping lift and
for all the reasons Thom mentioned.

M.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Bart,

I know that topping lift can be a PITA but it still has a lot of
advantages over the rigid vang. Just to mention a few;

A spare and ready back stay

A man overboard hoist

An end reinforcement of the boom when you want to use it as a crane
(Dingy recovery)

Ole Thom
P/S I've used to tail as a temporary sheet while clearing an over-ride
on the main sheet wench

Michael wrote:
In fact the rigging shop said they weren't taking off the topping lift and
for all the reasons Thom mentioned.

The only thing Ol' Thom listed that a rigid vang can't do is become an
emergency backstay. It will (or should) be able to support the boom for
hoisting.

DSK