To shut up.

As soon as Kerry tells M. Moore to shut the hell up and quit spreading
his bull**** lying propaganda.

Oh.......... to late..

Who should I believe? Vietnam vets.... or the fat POS un-American
liar M. Moore that uses the images of dead Americans to make lots of
money in his propaganda film?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Joe

What is your point? You need to be more direct! ;-)

As soon as Kerry tells M. Moore to shut the hell up and quit spreading
his bull**** lying propaganda.

Oh.......... to late..

Who should I believe? Vietnam vets.... or the fat POS un-American
liar M. Moore that uses the images of dead Americans to make lots of
money in his propaganda film?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Joe

Has anybody noticed the subject of this thread? Kerry didn't drive "Swift
Boats". IIRC they were "Riverine Craft". SEALS used Swift Boats to create
the Gulf of Tonkin Incident .... but y'all already knew all that.

"Vito" wrote

IIRC they were "Riverine Craft". SEALS used Swift Boats to create
the Gulf of Tonkin Incident .... but y'all already knew all that.

Wrong. Swiftboats were mfg. by Swiftship.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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"Vito" wrote

IIRC they were "Riverine Craft". SEALS used Swift Boats to create
the Gulf of Tonkin Incident .... but y'all already knew all that.

Wrong. Swiftboats were mfg. by Swiftship.

The Navy used PBR's. A friend of mine drove one. But apparently there were
different models. According to http://www.njnavy.com/boats.htm PBM Mk 1
and 2 were 31 foot fiberglass boats.

Swiftships made a number of models from 38 to 77 feet plus two "Riverine"
models; one a 45' aluminum hull. Did the Brown Water Navy use them?

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Vito" wrote

IIRC they were "Riverine Craft". SEALS used Swift Boats to create
the Gulf of Tonkin Incident .... but y'all already knew all that.

Wrong. Swiftboats were mfg. by Swiftship.

The Navy used PBR's. A friend of mine drove one. But apparently there were
different models. According to http://www.njnavy.com/boats.htm PBM Mk 1
and 2 were 31 foot fiberglass boats.

Swiftships made a number of models from 38 to 77 feet plus two "Riverine"
models; one a 45' aluminum hull. Did the Brown Water Navy use them?

The link you posted is to the NEW Swiftship boats. Not the Vietnam Era
boats.
The Swift Boat crews were on Swiftships boats. They made all types
including the riverine boats. So the riverine guys can call themselfs
Swiftboat crew.

They also make some very nice crewboats, I've ran several. Infact I
ran my favorate crewboat the Texas Willie a 110 footer triple screw
1271TI Swiftship for 5 years, one year I was on that boat 360 days.
They make the best riding high speed hull in the world.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
"Vito" wrote .

The Navy used PBR's. A friend of mine drove one. But apparently there
were
different models. According to http://www.njnavy.com/boats.htm PBM Mk
1
and 2 were 31 foot fiberglass boats.

Swiftships made a number of models from 38 to 77 feet plus two
"Riverine"
models; one a 45' aluminum hull. Did the Brown Water Navy use them?

The link you posted is to the NEW Swiftship boats. Not the Vietnam Era
boats.
The Swift Boat crews were on Swiftships boats. They made all types
including the riverine boats. So the riverine guys can call themselfs
Swiftboat crew.

Thanks for the info but tell us more. My PBR buddy never mentioned
Swiftboats and the recent History Channel doc on PBRs seemed focused on the
glass boats, so I was unaware of Swifts in the Brown Water Navy. A SEAL
mentioned using them but that was much earlier. Did Kerry command one of
the (older?) PBRs or a Swift Boat and, if the latter, what kind/size?


They also make some very nice crewboats, ....

I'll bet!! You didn't work for any Colombians did you (c:?

"Vito" wrote

Thanks for the info but tell us more. My PBR buddy never mentioned
Swiftboats and the recent History Channel doc on PBRs seemed focused on the
glass boats, so I was unaware of Swifts in the Brown Water Navy. A SEAL
mentioned using them but that was much earlier. Did Kerry command one of
the (older?) PBRs or a Swift Boat and, if the latter, what kind/size?

PBR is a class of boats, not a MFG. It stands for patrol boat river.
Many shallow draft boats fit the bill.


They also make some very nice crewboats, ....

I'll bet!! You didn't work for any Colombians did you (c:?

Well yes and no.

Mostly I worked in the Oilfield servicing the offshore drilling
industry.

But I did work as Mate on a supplyboat called the State Wave that was
leased to search for treasure off the coast of Columbia. To make a
very long complicated story short.... We found the Spanish Gallion.
The diving company was late on over 150K in boat rental fees. State
Boat wanted to take the boat off the job and hold all the diving and
search gear until payment was made in full. The dive co. in
parternship with the Columbian Govt had the crew arrested
and the boat impounded on trumped up BS charges(the columbians govt
was to get 1/2 of the treasure). The President of State Boat and VP of
operations and a few hired guns flew down and broke us out of jail. We
took back the Wave and meet the good Ol US Navy that was waiting for
us in international waters. The fuled us up and escorted us to a safe
waters. The dive Co. later put out a contrat on the prez of
Stateboat...He was packing some serious heat for a year or so untill
things cooled off. Quite the adventure.

Im writing a book about it called Columbian Gold.
How to finish it one of these years

Joe

On 11 Aug 2004 11:34:07 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

"Vito" wrote

Thanks for the info but tell us more. My PBR buddy never mentioned
Swiftboats and the recent History Channel doc on PBRs seemed focused on the
glass boats, so I was unaware of Swifts in the Brown Water Navy. A SEAL
mentioned using them but that was much earlier. Did Kerry command one of
the (older?) PBRs or a Swift Boat and, if the latter, what kind/size?

PBR is a class of boats, not a MFG. It stands for patrol boat river.
Many shallow draft boats fit the bill.


They also make some very nice crewboats, ....

I'll bet!! You didn't work for any Colombians did you (c:?

Well yes and no.

Mostly I worked in the Oilfield servicing the offshore drilling
industry.

But I did work as Mate on a supplyboat called the State Wave that was
leased to search for treasure off the coast of Columbia. To make a
very long complicated story short.... We found the Spanish Gallion.
The diving company was late on over 150K in boat rental fees. State
Boat wanted to take the boat off the job and hold all the diving and
search gear until payment was made in full. The dive co. in
parternship with the Columbian Govt had the crew arrested
and the boat impounded on trumped up BS charges(the columbians govt
was to get 1/2 of the treasure). The President of State Boat and VP of
operations and a few hired guns flew down and broke us out of jail. We
took back the Wave and meet the good Ol US Navy that was waiting for
us in international waters. The fuled us up and escorted us to a safe
waters. The dive Co. later put out a contrat on the prez of
Stateboat...He was packing some serious heat for a year or so untill
things cooled off. Quite the adventure.

Im writing a book about it called Columbian Gold.
How to finish it one of these years

Joe

That sounds interesting. After the big Savings & Loan Collapse of the
late 80's, I did some contract work on one of the larger busted s&ls.
On their inventory of defaulted loans were some really nice sounding
sailboats, that had all somehow ended up in Belize. I am sure the
bank would have been happy to sell those loans for a nickel on the
dollar, but that would mean having to travel down there and take
possession of those boats, which I think might have been the sticky
part. The bank wasn't going to make any effort to get them back.

I must admit I wondered about it. A midnight repo of a sailboat is
not the same as hooking up a car to a towtruck and hauling out of
there. I am not sure how that would have turned out

"Vito" wrote

Thanks for the info but tell us more. My PBR buddy never mentioned
Swiftboats and the recent History Channel doc on PBRs seemed focused on the
glass boats, so I was unaware of Swifts in the Brown Water Navy. A SEAL
mentioned using them but that was much earlier. Did Kerry command one of
the (older?) PBRs or a Swift Boat and, if the latter, what kind/size?

PBR is a class of boats, not a MFG. It stands for patrol boat river.
Many shallow draft boats fit the bill.


They also make some very nice crewboats, ....

I'll bet!! You didn't work for any Colombians did you (c:?

Well yes and no.

Mostly I worked in the Oilfield servicing the offshore drilling
industry.

But I did work as Mate on a supplyboat called the State Wave that was
leased to search for treasure off the coast of Columbia. To make a
very long complicated story short.... We found the Spanish Gallion.
The diving company was late on over 150K in boat rental fees. State
Boat wanted to take the boat off the job and hold all the diving and
search gear until payment was made in full. The dive co. in
parternship with the Columbian Govt had the crew arrested
and the boat impounded on trumped up BS charges(the columbians govt
was to get 1/2 of the treasure). The President of State Boat and VP of
operations and a few hired guns flew down and broke us out of jail. We
took back the Wave and meet the good Ol US Navy that was waiting for
us in international waters. The fuled us up and escorted us to a safe
waters. The dive Co. later put out a contrat on the prez of
Stateboat...He was packing some serious heat for a year or so untill
things cooled off. Quite the adventure.

Im writing a book about it called Columbian Gold.
Hope to finish it one of these years

Joe